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Old 09-14-2004, 03:39 PM
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Howdyall:

As you know, Proposition 66 is on the ballot this fall.

It will reduce a prosecutor's ability to use three strikes by restricting it to cases where the accused has committed only violent felonies. Now, ANY felony can apply (or nearly any), which includes shoplifting (shoplifting, with a prior offense, is a felony).

I urge you to vote FOR 66. (Unless you think it's just for someone to get 25-to-life for stealing some pizza, like one man literally did and the U.S. Supreme Court said it was OK.)

If anyone here has someone you care about who's gone down on three strikes, please share it with us. (PLease note PTO policies regarding anonymity.)

These stories matter. It's important that the rest of the world know about the human impact of this law. ANYTHING that gets 66 passed will be for the good.

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Old 09-14-2004, 03:41 PM
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I Personally dont know anyone who has gone down under the three strikes law but I do know it will lighten the sentance on my brother and fiancee who are both incarcerated. I know of a few guys who are where my honey is and they are down for three striks for little thing slike minor pety thefts.

I hope it passes!!!!!
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Old 09-14-2004, 04:43 PM
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i DON'T KNOW ANYONE THAT HAS GONE DOWN WITH THE 3 STRIKES BUT i WILL ADD TO WHAT YOU SAID ABOUT PROP 66. THIS DOES NOT ONLY APPLY TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE STRIKES. THERE ARE SEVERAL "VIOLENT CRIMES" THAT WILL BE LOOKED INTO FURTHER AND REFORMED. EXP: MY MAN GOT A DUI W/ A GBI UPGRADE THIS MEANS THAT HE IS A VIOLENT OFFENDER! GBI= GREAT BODILY INJURY! HE IS LOOKED AT THE SAME BY THE SYSTEM AS SOMEONE THAT WENT OUT AND BEAT SOMEONE WITH A BAT INTENSIONALLY! YES I DO BELIEVE PEOPLE SHOULD BE PUNISHED A DUI IS VERY SERIOUS BUT IN 95% OF CASES INJURY WAS NOT "INTENDED" SOME OTHER FELONIES INCLUDE BURGLERY AND DRUG CHARGES. PROP 66 WILL HELP BETTER ASSESS ONES CRIME. IT IS A REQUEST FOR REFORM. IF SOMEONE GETS CHARGED WITH DRUG POSSESSION SEND THEM TO REHAB DON'T STRIKE THEM OUT FOR THE TAX PAYERS TO PAY 25,000.00/YEAR TO KEEP THEM LOCKED UP! THE SYSTEM IS SERIOUSLY BROKEN AND NEEDS REFORM! KEEP THE VIOLENT OFFENDERS (RAPE,MURDER,ECT.) AS VIOLENT OFFENDERS BUT LOWER LEVEL BURGLERY, DUI W/INJURY,AND OTHER NON VIOLENT CRIMES SHOULD BE LOOKED AT AS A NON VIOLENT CRIME INSTEAD OF VIOLENT! A VIOLENT CRIME SHOULD BE A CRIME COMMITTED WITH INTENT THAT CAUSED SERIOUS INJURY OR DEATH! VOTE YES ON PROP 66!
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ooops!!! I forgot to type!!
My husband is a 3 striker in for 25-life on a non-violent/non-serious crime!!
I am hoping and praying for Prop 66 to pass and i think that it has a really good chance!! We all need to get the word out about the truth of Prop 66. The oppositon is using scare tactics to discourage people to vote on it!!! They are saying that 26,000 inmates will be released, there are only about 4,500 3rd strikers, so explain to me how that will happen!!
I hope that everyone votes for Prop 66 on November 2!!
That would bring my hubby home!!! :love:
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I have a friend who is in prison and had 3 strikes against him. If this passes he wil get out early. I definitely plan on voting yes because I think it is only fair that only violent offenses get 3 strikes not someone who stole pizza.
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My ex-husband didn't go "down" because of three strikes but everytime he's arrested under the current law and has a non-violent/non-serious felony, they try to strike him. It causes ENORNOUS greif and they always try to offer him 8 years for having a small bag of dope. Its getting RIDICULOUS. He pleads guilty, does a Romero, they drop the strikes and he gets a program.

Thankfully, in our area, they don't just send non-violent/non-serious offenders away for a "third strike". I know the Southern Ca Counties are notorious for it at least they were in the past

I fully am voting for this and encourage other people to do so as well. If you haven't read the initiative, you should. They are also calling to increase sentancing for molesters which I'm all for. Also, burgulary will no longer be considered a SERIOUS Strikable felony UNLESS the residence is inhabited. Also, you won't get ARSON for lighting a garbage can on fire.

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Hi, I am glad you found the NEW forum now lets talk it up and get everyone involved. It may not be your loved one today but it could be tomorrow. Love Barb
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My husband is in on a second strike and got 18 years for burglary/non-violent. They were trying to get him on 3 strikes and at first he was looking at 49 to life but they dropped a strike!! Thank God!! 18 years for a VCR. Hmmm...
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Let's ALL - everybody make sure Proposition 66 gets passed!!! Lots of people do not understand the ramifications if it doesn't get passed. There will be many incarcerated people that will benefit from the passage, lessening their incarcerated time... These are people with Non Violent crimes!! Let's all Pray Prop. 66 gets approved. Boo to our Calif. gov. Arnold for putting his thumb down on the proposition!! Pray, & keep the faith!!
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Hi all ,
Sorry i havent been visiting my PTO family for a while ( computer proiblems) Three strikes does affect my loved one. and if this law passes We would be happy with taking the "life " out of his sentence and coming home a lot sooner. A release would be great too. I read our gov is against the three strike law prop 66. How can we get the voting public to understand that this law is not going to release the violent offenders.People have a misconception of the law and what is is about. sorry im not as articulate as id like . is there something we can do to get the correct message across?
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My fiance is down on this ridiculous law. His offense is a firearm in possession of an ex felon, usually people might get a mximum of three years for this offense. Not in California under this law he got 25 years to life, he has already done 7 plus years. I live in Arizona and have wrote anyone and everyone I can, the governor and senators. I have contacted radio stations and asked them for representation in favor of Proposition 66. I have sent packages to nine attorneys in California asking for help representing my loved one whether the law passes and also if it doesn't.

If this law is passed no one seems to know exactly how they will handle rehearing the cases. I am trying to be very proactive and work on getting my man out. His mother was just diagnosed with esophagus cancer and it is Stage IV (very severe). He needs to be home.
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My fiance is currently a 2nd Striker but he is currently fighting another non violent case. The judge said that is he is found guilty then he could be facing 25 to Life under the current 3 Strikes Law.

Please everyone get out there and vote....YES ON 66!
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Here is a very sad story.If anyone takes the time to read this,I would be interested on the opinion.Here goes;




Southern Vermont
Man faces life term after 'car shopping'

October 27, 2004
By DANIEL BARLOW Southern Vermont Bureau

BRATTLEBORO — A 23-year-old Dover man currently in jail for violating his probation is facing life in prison for stealing a car when he was on the run in early September.

James S. Kickery pleaded innocent to the felony charge of grand larceny in Windham District Court Tuesday. Kickery faces a penalty of up to and including life in prison and Windham County State's Attorney Dan Davis is calling Kickery a habitual offender because he has previously been convicted of five other felonies since 1999.

Kickery also pleaded innocent to the misdemeanor charges of petty larceny and operating without owner's consent. Last month, he also pleaded innocent to the felony charge of escaping after fleeing a visit with his probation officer.

Kickery is being held at the Springfield State Prison for lack of $100,000 bail stemming from his Sept. 21 arrest by the Brattleboro Police Department after he allegedly fled from a Sept. 13 meeting with his probation officer.

Probation officer Lesa Trowt had attempted to arrest Kickery that day after being informed by the manager of a Dover 7-Eleven convenience store that Kickery, an employee there, had stolen more than $400 in cash from the register, according to an affidavit filed by Richard Werner, a Dover Police officer.

He also stole a bottle of Black Velvet liquor from the store, according to court documents, which he drank at home that evening.

Kickery hid in some nearby woods as officers with search dogs looked for him, according to court documents, and then stole a Hyundai Sonata from the Dover Town Office parking lot. He ditched the vehicle on Williams Street Extension in Bellows Falls and stole a Saab, which he abandoned at the Cotton Mill Hill parking lot in Brattleboro, according to the affidavit.

While on the run, Kickery committed a handful of other minor offenses, he told police after his capture, according to court documents.

"The defendant advised that he did some car shopping, money shopping, looking for money and cigarettes in cars," Werner wrote in the affidavit. "The defendant advised that he did take five dollars out of a car, but did not know whose, but it was in Bellows Falls."

Kickery faces a maximum penalty of two years in prison and a fine of $1,000 for the taking without owner's consent charge and one year in prison and a $500 fine for the petit larceny charge.

But it's the felony charge of grand larceny, coupled with his history of felony convictions that carries the harshest penalty for Kickery — imprisonment of up to and including life.

Kickery has been convicted of five other felonies between 1999 and 2003, according to court documents. The charges include two counts of escaping and violating probation, two counts of grand larceny and one count of burglary.


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He is only 23 years old!What happened in his life that he continued to do this type of behavior after the first incarceration.Some do not realize the scope of the effects of their actions.Some do not even know the difference between right and wrong until they are held accountable in a court of law.Even then,they do not realize that they did wrong.
I am not from the state that I have resided in for a few years now.I can say that in speaking with the incarcerated here,a few(very few) have a very uncivilized view of right and wrong behavior.
I am sure that I will get some negative feedback from this statement,so be it,I am the one who really hears the emotions after the fact.
I am not saying that it is true in the above case.
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