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Old 09-25-2017, 05:34 PM
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Default Getting conservatives to support public defenders

There are conservatives solidly behind the idea that everyone should have a decent chance at a legal defense. There are good arguments to convince others that it is a conservative idea.


Here's an example of how a conservative sees the idea of reforming the system:
The general counsel for Koch Industries framed the topic in terms of government ineptitude: “I would say the criminal justice system is a failed big government program, for sure.”
Here's some psychology about how to present the issue:
David Carroll, the executive director of the Sixth Amendment Center whose work helped sway Rep. Perry,
says looking at the issue through the lens of big government overreach — or what he calls “the tyranny prism” — may provide results that the left ultimately cannot argue with, even though it means sacrificing a central tenet of their ideology.“A tyrannical government hurts those with the least voice in the political process first, including the poor and people of color,” Carroll says.
“Tyranny explains what people on the left want to explain, that the criminal justice system has disproportionate impacts on people of color.” But conservatives are often hesitant to declare the system racist, he said. “The tyranny prism is a framework that allows conservatives to be at the table, too."

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Old 09-26-2017, 04:53 AM
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Support is one thing funding is another. I wish they were the same, but you can have conversations with people and they will be totally on board with making sure people have adequate legal representation, but when it gets down to it other things have priority. I guess if you live in a truly tyrannical hell hole that changes (places where everything that moves gets a ticket or put in jail), but those places are generally so corrupt that legal representation is not the issue.
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"Sure, give the bastard a lawyer, a fair trial, and then fry him"

Uh, yeah.

The best way to get a conservative on board with supporting the PD's office is to bust them or their kids.
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Trying to convince conservatives to abandon their "tough on crime" credo seems like too much effort.

Easier to focus on working toward getting more states to allow felons to vote and educating ex-cons on their right to vote in those states that have expanded those voting rights, and convincing their loved ones to do the same.

All eyes on Florida right now -- once those felon disenfranchisement laws go, Florida is going to turn blue for the foreseeable future, just like Virginia did this last election, where the ex-con vote was just the margin needed to deny the Republicans victory there. The GOP is going to have a hell of a time winning the presidency for the foreseeable future once Florida turns blue. (And Texas isn't too far behind, with all the Hispanic youth coming of voting age... give it another 10 or 15 years or so. )
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