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RICHMOND, VA (WWBT) - By a decision of 4-3, the Virginia Supreme Court has struck down a landmark executive order issued by Governor Terry McAuliffe earlier this year that restored the voting rights of over 200,000 former felons.
http://www.nbc12.com/story/32510778/...-former-felons

Outrageous! People who have served their time (including probation/parole) should have most (if not all) of their civil rights restored upon total completion of their sentences.

There is no excuse for permanently disenfranchising an entire class of people like that, effectively making them second-class citizens.

The courts are supposed to protect and uphold people's rights, not strip them away.

Very disappointing decision!
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Old 07-22-2016, 08:51 PM
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Republicans argued before a packed courtroom that the executive order is unconstitutional and puts too much power into the hands of the governor. Attorneys said that Governor McAuliffe is abusing his executive authority, and that it sets a dangerous precedent.

Figures. Enough said on that topic.

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"40 other states have done what we just did," McAuliffe said. "Why we are always last? Why aren't we leading the nation," adding, "I think democracy is about more people voting."
Yeah, I'm highly disappointed as well And you notice that the decision came down before the Presidential election rather than after.
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The courts are supposed to protect and uphold people's rights, not strip them away.
Actually, they are supposed to uphold the Constitution. As such, the question comes back to whether there is a constitutional process by which pardons are to be considered and whether the executive order overstepped that process.

If the EO oversteps, then the Court took the appropriate action until such time as the voters in that State decide it is necessary to seek an amendment to the State Constitution...

Not being a scholar of the Constitution in THAT State, I have no opinion on whether there was over-reach or not.
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I'm disappointed to see that an attempt to restore a basic right has received such a negative response. If they're afraid that by allowing the VA governor to do this he'll be given too much power then Congress should enact legislation to allow the restoration after court mandated sentences have been done. But no one wants to appear "soft" on crime & it doesn't appear that Congress has bought into the criminal justice reform movement. I hate to seem political but I do believe if the legislation was introduced by a member of the majority political party it would have had a better chance of going through.

Why is denying voting rights even done? Isn't this taxation without representation? If you can't vote & elected officials won't do anything for criminal justice reform but you still have to pay taxes then how are you being represented? Just a thought. Wish I was a wealthy lawyer with time on my hands. I'd love to see if a class action suit would shake things up.
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Virginia Governor Bypasses Court Ruling To Help 200,000 Ex-Felons Vote

Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) is taking action to restore the voting rights of thousands of ex-offenders in the state after a court decision Friday put them in jeopardy. He’s getting around the Virginia Supreme Court’s ruling against him by signing 200,000 individual clemency grants to the state’s ex-offenders to ensure their right to vote in November.
In a 4 to 3 decision late Friday, the Supreme Court of Virginia stripped away the voting rights from 200,000 ex-offenders who had recently regained full civil rights through one of McAuliffe’s executive orders, effectively disenfranchising one in five of the state’s African American voters.
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Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D) is taking action to restore the voting rights of thousands of ex-offenders in the state after a court decision Friday put them in jeopardy. He’s getting around the Virginia Supreme Court’s ruling against him by signing 200,000 individual clemency grants to the state’s ex-offenders to ensure their right to vote in November.
Wow! That's a heck of a lot of signatures he'll have to manually sign! But the governor does have ultimate pardon power over state convicts, after all. Even if he has to do it "by the book" and all.

Sure is interesting that the Virginia Republican Party decided to sue over this particular issue, of all things. They must just be afraid all those felons won't vote for them in November. They may have reason to fear, after this shenanigans...
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Of course, The Donald had to weigh in:

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"Clinton is banking on her friend Terry McAuliffe getting thousands of violent felons to the voting booths, in an effort to cancel out the votes of both the law enforcement community and crime victims," Trump, who has sought to cast himself as the "law and order” candidate of the race, said Saturday at a rally in Fredericksburg.


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Virginia Republicans’ essentially racist project

IN ABOUT 40 states, people convicted of serious crimes regain their voting rights upon discharge from prison or completion of parole. In ahandful of others, convicts either are never disenfranchised or automatically regain their rights after a waiting period. These rules amount to an American consensus on what constitutes a reasonable and humane approach to redemption in a modern democracy.

In just four states are felons permanently barred from voting absent action by the governor. And in one of them, Virginia, lawmakers are considering an even more restrictive regime that would forever foreclose the possibility of redemption for tens of thousands of citizens.

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For Mr. Norment, the bill is retribution against Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe (D), who has infuriated Republicans by attempting to restore voting rights to some 200,000 ex-convicts, nearly half of them African Americans and many of them disenfranchised decades after the completion of their sentences.
I'm not gonna say what I'm thinking right now....it isn't pretty.

Apparently Kentucky is one of the 4 states that depends on the Governor for Restoration of Rights. That's the route I had to take, but at least the route was there for me to take.

However, to NEVER be able to regain those rights, to NEVER be allowed to vote is just plain WRONG!
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Here's a handy state-by-state map of Voting Rights for People with Criminal Records:

https://www.aclu.org/map/state-crimi...ement-laws-map

As you can see, only Iowa, Kentucky, and Florida permanently disenfranchise felons from voting.

Most of the other states automatically restore voting rights upon completion of sentence (once off-paper -- after any probation & parole).

15 states allow everyone who isn't in prison (even those on probation and parole) to vote.

California and Colorado allow those on probation (but not parole) to be able to vote.

And two very enlightened states -- Vermont and Maine -- allow everyone to vote, even those in prison (via absentee ballot).
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Kentucky does restore Civil Rights, including the right to vote. There is a form linked on the KY DOC web site that has to be printed, filled out and sent to Probation & Parole. I'm assuming the info is verified, then it sent to the Governor. I did get my Certificate of Restored Rights, signed by the Governor & subsequently registered to vote....and have voted.

The problem I have with KY's system is that many offenders either don't know they can have their rights restored, or don't know how to find/access the info.

From the article, this legislation in Virginia could take years to pass & eventually take effect. Hopefully, Republicans there don't have years to push their agenda
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The Supreme Court of Virginia on Thursday rejected a Republican effort to have Gov. Terry McAuliffe held in contempt over his ongoing efforts to restore voting rights for felons.
FULL ARTICLE: http://www.richmond.com/news/virgini...ae3e17812.html

Wow, those VA Republicans are persistent little critters aren't they?

Sorry, Charlie -- ex-cons are voting en masse come November, nothing you can do to stop it now.
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Wow, those VA Republicans are persistent little critters aren't they?

Sorry, Charlie -- ex-cons are voting en masse come November, nothing you can do to stop it now.
I am happy to see this being fought for. It seems to me there is a case to file suit as it is taxation without representation. People with convictions that aren't allowed to vote are sill required to pay taxes but have no say in who is elected to spend those tax dollars or how they're spent. Politicians need to remember this is one of the things that led to the American Revolution. I found this definition of taxation without representation-aphrase, generally attributed to James Otis about 1761, that reflected the resentment of American colonists at being taxed by a British Parliament to which they elected no representatives and became an anti-British slogan before the American Revolution; in full, “Taxation without representation is tyranny.”
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Well too get deeper in the issue MOST felons WON"T vote or EVEN know how to vote,only a few percentage are involved in politics.And the reason the court shut down the governor's plan is simple,its a balance of power.The court would fear if felons voted,laws might make them seem "soft"on crime,plus the court and america doesn't support "criminals." That is the mindset of law makers how ever as more and more people have felon records it will eventually change.And in case people don't know their many politicians committing crimes like forgery,etc
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