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Old 10-22-2002, 07:11 PM
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SILVER SPRING, Md. (Reuters) - A serial sniper warned that children in the Washington suburbs are not safe "anywhere, at any time," police said on Tuesday as they investigated the shooting of a bus driver who may be the killer's 10th victim.


Hours after a commuter bus driver was shot and killed as he waited to begin his morning run in suburban Montgomery County, Maryland, police investigating the string of sniper shootings in and around the U.S. capital released the killer's message.


Responding to speculation about a possible threat contained in a "communication" from the attacker, Montgomery County Police Chief Charles Moose read a chilling postscript to a message left behind at the scene of a weekend shooting.


"We recognize the concerns of the community and therefore are going to provide the exact language that pertains to the threat," Moose said at a news briefing.


"It is in the form of a postscript: 'Your children are not safe anywhere, at any time."'


The warning was part of a message left for police at a shooting Saturday night in Ashland, Virginia, about 85 miles south of Washington, authorities said.


The Washington Post and CNN, quoting unidentified sources, reported on Tuesday evening that the sniper demanded a $10 million payment in a letter that was several pages long.


The sniper shootings have killed nine people and injured three since Oct. 2. Tuesday's shooting of the bus driver has not been conclusively linked to the spree but police said it was being treated as if is.


The first five killings took place in Montgomery County, an affluent and usually tranquil community north of Washington.


"Everyone knows that all of our citizens are and have been at risk," Moose said. "The person or people have demonstrated a willingness and ability to shoot people of all ages, all races, all genders and they've struck at different times of the day, different days at different locations."


Moose also revealed there had been a response to an appeal he made on Monday urging a caller who might be the sniper to phone again.

"We have received a communication. We will be responding soon," the police chief said.

CRYPTIC AND PUBLIC DIALOGUE

Police opened a cryptic and public dialogue with a person authorities believe might be the sniper after the message was found in Ashland, Virginia, where a 37-year-old man was critically injured with a bullet in the stomach.

All the attacks, which have ranged through Washington's suburbs, and as far south as the outskirts of Richmond, Virginia, have seen death or critical injury result from a single shot fired at some distance, usually from the cover of trees.

The shooting of bus driver Conrad Johnson, 35, around 6 a.m. on Tuesday, shattered the morning rush-hour routine of the nation's capital.

Major roads were closed for hours as authorities checked vehicles -- especially those driven by men. If this death is linked to the others, it would be the sniper's first return to Montgomery County since Oct. 3. Five people have so far been killed by the sniper in the county.

Helicopters hovered overhead, dog teams scoured the ground and U.S. military spyplanes were in the Washington area, but the shooter apparently managed to avoid capture.

"The law enforcement community is looking at this situation, certainly very similar to other situations we have been dealing with as a region. Evidence, ballistics will be gathered ... to determine whether this situation is linked," said Moose, who heads an area task force on the sniper.

Police said the bus driver, who had been waiting at a side street used as a staging area for commuter buses, was shot in the chest as he stood on the top step of his vehicle.

REGION FEARFUL, ANGRY

The latest incident took place on Connecticut Avenue, near where some of the original shootings took place.

The shooting spree has paralyzed the region. Schools have canceled sports events and other outdoor activities and kept hundreds of thousands of students indoors during school hours. The schools were in a high state of alert, with volunteer parents helping to patrol school grounds.

Residents, many drawn to the area by its parks, trails and other recreation sites, have grown increasingly frustrated at having to restrict their activities.

And business has been slowed by public reluctance to venture from home. Most of the shootings have been at shopping areas or gasoline stations.

"It's disturbing," said Robert Colwell, who lives near the scene of the latest attack.

Schools in Ashland and elsewhere in the area around the Virginia capital of Richmond were closed for a second day on Tuesday even before the latest incident occurred.
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Old 10-22-2002, 08:04 PM
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This is truly scary stuff - I hope they catch this guy and soon, before he takes another life.
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Old 10-22-2002, 10:22 PM
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I agree I can't belive he would target children there so inoccent........
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this is so scary-and I am going to a CURE leadreship conference in Baltimore Thursday-Sunday. I am a little leary-
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This guy is crazy and while I hesitate to say...."He needs to be locked up!"...at least for the moment. Hope they catch him and soon!
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WHAT IS REALLY SCARY IS NOT KNOWING WHO HE IS AND IF HE BELONGS TO ALCAEDA.. I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT ONE PERSON CAN DO THIS ALONE AND NOT GET CAUGHT BEFORE NOW.

THE DIALOG WITH THE POLICE ARE LIKE A TAUNTING. THESE PEOPLE DO NOT CARE AT ALL ABOUT WHO THEY KILL. NOT EVEN OUR PRECIOUS CHILDREN. IT IS CERTAINLY TIME TO BECOME UNITED AS A NATION AND REALLY CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER. KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN AT ALL TIMES AND WATCH THINGS AROUND YOU. STAY ALERT NOT JUST FOR YOURSELVES BUT FOR OTHERS TOO.

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Thank God he/they have finally been captured! But can you believe how slow the police were in getting this done? And if the sniper himself hadn't given them a clue, they'd still be looking for him.
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Old 10-25-2002, 09:52 AM
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Being a military man, most likely knew about covert operations or thought he had that figured out and did a good job in planning how to operated.

Appartently, since this wasn't a real war, he got bored with how easy things were and therefore added risk (information) to the game.

The thing is, will we ever know what was really behind this madness?
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I heard on CNN last night (as well as a lot of local news progams) that he's possibly with an anti semitist group. He also served in the Gulf War. They believe that the 17 year old is linked to a robbery prior to these shootings in which a woman was shot but lived and later they linked her police sketch to the 17 year old. They say it's a possibility that the 17 year old (who is Jamaican) is the other man's step son.

Now...I'm curious to know, how many of you think that the gentleman who made the false police report is linked to this? Further adding to the wild goose chase of the white box truck/van. I think it's a possibility.
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YOU KNOW IT IS REALLY SCARY TO KNOW THAT THIS ALL STARTED HERE IN WASHINGTON STATE ON THE WEST COAST. I LIVE ABOUT 15 MINUTES FROM THE HOUSE THAT THEY WERE AT WHERE THE FBI AND INVESTIGATORS WERE TEARING UP THE BACKYARD. TO KNOW THAT I PROBABLY HAVE SEEN THESE GUYS ON THE STREETS. MUHOMMAD WORKED RIGHT DOWN THE STREET A FEW HOUSES DOWN FROM WHERE HE WORKED AND RAN A BUSINESS. THAT IS REALLY SCARY. I AM GLAD THEY ARE TAKEN INTO CUSTODY AND I HOPE THEY DONT LET THESE MEN OUT OF THEIR SITE. I HEARD THAT MALVO TRIED TO ESCAPE. DO YOU ALL THINK HE HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH IT? OR MUHOMMAD MANIPULATED MALVO???
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Well that's funny that you should say that about the guy who made the false police report; cause that's what I had been thinking too! Cause otherwise what was the point of doing it? And his eyes look so mean in the picture of him, like he would be capable of being involved in something like this. And I also would like to know what's up with the white truck they were looking for all along? As far as Malvo and Muhammed's relationship goes, I think Malvo was definitely being manipulated by Muhammad. I also think that Malvo is his 'boy'; you know like in prison.
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Being from Montgomery County, MD. I'm very glad this whole mess is over. The frustrating thing is that they stopped the car 10 TIMES and let it go each time. *sigh* This could have been solved much earlier than it was
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THEY STOPPED THE CAR THAT MUHHAMMED AND MALVO WAS IN 10 TIMES? YOU ARE RIGHT I THINK MALVO WAS BEING MANIPULATED TOO. COME NOW........ BUT I HEARD THAT MALVO WAS ON THE BORDER OF BEING DEPORTED BACK TO JAMAICA TO HIS PARENTS? WELL IT LOOKS LIKE MD GETS TO GO TO TRIAL FIRST. AND YOU ALREADY KNOW THEY ARENT GOING FOR DEATH. I GUESS IT IS AGAINST LAWS THEY CANT GIVE THAT PUNISHMENT TO MINORS.

I KNOW YOU ARE GLAD ITS OVER EGREENFIELD. I AM GLAD YOU WERENT A VICTIM. AND YOU ARE STILL HERE WITH US.
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My personal feelings on the white van is that they were using it as a cover...and then I hear it on the news that it's one of the theories that they would wait until they saw a white box van drive by the scene and then shoot. That way people would associate a white van instead of a blue sedan at the scene of the crime.
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WELL YOU ALL HEARD THAT THEY ARRESTED A 3RD GUY. THE GUY THAT OWNED THE CAPRICE BEFORE MUHAMMED AND MALVO BOUGHT IT. DIDNT YOU? HE IS IN FOR QUESTIONING. REGARDLESS THESE GUYS ARE GETTING DEATH WHETHER THEY LIKE IT OR NOT. I READ AN ARTICLE IN THE PAPER THIS MORNING FROM MUHAMMEDS 2ND EX WIFE'S BROTHER AND HE SAID THAT WHERE THESE SHOOTINGS WERE HAPPENING WERE CLOSING IN ON HIS EXWIFE AND KIDS. THEY MOVED TO DC TO GET AWAY FROM JOHN. SO HE KNEW WHAT HE WAS DOING. HE WAS GOING IN FOR THE KILL. THAT IS SICK.

'If you ever leave me, I'll kill you and the kids'

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Charlie Green says he's sure John Allen Muhammad is the Washington, D.C., sniper. And he says he knows why he did it.

Green, 39, says he's the brother of Muhammad's second ex-wife, Mildred Green. He lived in the same Tacoma house with Muhammad's family for three years, he said, and he knows how the man's mind works.


Based on that, Green said he believes the 10 fatal shootings in Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia were part of an elaborate scheme to murder Mildred and the couple's three children, who recently had moved to the Washington, D.C., area to get away from Muhammad.


"He was getting ready to take out my sister and the kids," Green contends. "All those other innocent people, they died because he was trying to cover up."


Green, a truck driver who now lives in Providence, R.I., was in Tacoma on Friday during a layover and called The News Tribune. He said he "wanted Tacoma to know first-hand why all this happened."


He said he has known Muhammad for more than 20 years, since Green was in high school in Baton Rouge and Muhammad first began seeing his sister.


Green's information could not be independently verified, and a Tacoma police spokesman said the department's investigation has not involved Mildred Green's brother. Green did, however, provide a commercial driver's license, and the Polk City Directory for 1999 lists him as a resident of 7302 S. Ainsworth Ave., where John and Mildred Muhammad lived during the 1990s.


During the interview, Green pointed out that Muhammad's killings ringed the house in Clinton, Md., where Muhammad's former wife and children were living.


Muhammad was gradually closing in on them, Green said, so that he eventually could kill them and have their deaths dismissed as random acts.


"He did it because he wanted to kill my sister, and he wanted to kill the kids," Green said. "That was his main target. He killed all those other innocent people at random right under their noses. He made it look like it was a real sniper on the loose."


When the sniper issued threats that he would start killing children, it was Muhammad, laying the groundwork for what he intended to do, Green said.


"He was stalking them the whole time," Green alleged.


He noted that the rest stop where Muhammad and his teenage companion, John Lee Malvo, were arrested is just a short drive from Mildred's house.


Muhammad had already staked out the house, Green said, and once was spotted by his 12-year-old son, John Jr. One day recently the boy came into the house and told his sister, "I saw Daddy," said Green, who said he keeps in contact with his family, including Mildred.


Not knowing Muhammad apparently had found them, Green said, his sister told the boy, "No, you didn't, honey, Daddy is nowhere around here."


Muhammad also was spotted by a neighbor, Green said, a man Muhammad tried to befriend and enlist as a jogging partner.


Back in his high school days, Green said, Muhammad was known as "Neckbone" because of the stiff way he walked.


"He would always walk with his eyes down on the ground," Green said. "He never would look up to see what was around him. He never would speak to anyone. He was a cold piece."


Muhammad had an "anger problem ever since I knew him," Green said.


"You would say, 'Hi, John, how you doing?' And he would say nothing. He felt like he was better than everybody else."


"He didn't drink, didn't use drugs," Green said. "He always stayed physically fit. He was Mr. ROTC. He would wear the ROTC (Reserve Officers Training Corps) suit to school. The guy was just born to be in the military."


After Muhammad got out of the army, Green said, he became such a strong follower of a radical sect of Islam that it warped his view of the world.


"If you would say the word 'Jesus' around him he'd get very offended," Green said. "One time I brought some pork chops into the house, and he just went off like he was ready to burn the whole house down."


Mildred was a convert, too, Green said, and they were strict vegetarians. They ate only cheese pizza and certain kinds of butter, and used only certain kinds of dishwashing liquid, he said.


"When they'd get tacos for the kids," he said, "they'd get them with just lettuce in them."


Muhammad was a strict disciplinarian with his children but never hit them except for an occasional swat on the bottom, Green said. When he scolded them, "The kids would just shrink up," Green said.


"He was a great father, a very strong father figure. The kids respected their dad to the utmost."


But he could not control his anger, Green said.


"He's always been that way," Green said. "He would hold it in and hold it in and then he'd explode."


One night, Green said, when Muhammad didn't know he was in the house, he heard him tell his sister: "If you ever leave me, I'll kill you and the kids."


"He just snapped when my sister said she didn't want anything to do with him anymore," Green said. "That's when he lost it."


When Green realized his sister and the children were in danger, he said, he had thoughts about killing Muhammad before he could hurt the family.


"I'm not a violent person," he said. "But I wanted to take him out myself. I should have done it, even though it would have destroyed my life. Then all those innocent people would still be alive."
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What a sad legacy he has left for his family, and all the others.. He is no Muslim, he's just trash.. Both of them..
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Too true, David. Islam preaches love and tolerance,and, as was the case of the bombers who took so many young innocent lives in Bali, these fanatics are using Islam as an excuse for their murderous ways. Which is so very sad for true Muslims.
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Where was this 17 year old's parents? I mean why was he free to roam the country with Muhammad?
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I was in Baltimore this past weekend at a conference- in fact got there on thursday-great timing!!
I watched a lot of coverage on this- I am not willing to excuse Malvo just b/c he was 17 or to accept that he was "forced " to do this by muhammed(williams)--he had pleanty of opportunities to get away from him if he wanted to-In my mind, the evidence points to both of them being gulity as hell
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I BELIEVE THEY BOTH DESERVE THE PUNISHMENT. THEY FOUND EVIDENCE THAT MALVO DID AT LEAST ONE OF THE KILLINGS. AND HIS PARENTS ARE IN JAMAICA...... HIS MOM CAME HERE WITH MALVO BUT WAS SENT BACK TO JAMAICA.. WHY THEY DIDNT TAKE MALVO I DONT KNOW... THE ARTICLE DIDNT SAY.
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MALVO'S STEPFATHER HAD ACTUALLY BRAINWASHED HIM.... BUT, HE STILL DID THE THINGS HE DID. WHAT MAKES A MAN TURN INTO A VICIOUS MONSTER? WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN? I KNOW THAT THESE PEOPLE ARE VERY BAD PERSONS AND WHAT THEY HAVE DONE IS UNCALLED FOR. I AND TRULY BELIEVE THAT EACH AND EVERY FAMILY MEMBER SHOULD BE ABLE TO TAKE TWO LASHES WITH A WHIP ON THEIR BACKS. THEN THEY SHOULD BE PUT IN THE DEEPEST BOWELS OF A PRISON WHERE THEY CAN NEVER BE FREE AGAIN.

BUT, THIS STILL DOES NOT MAKE ME AGREE WITH THE DEATH PENALTY. NOT EVEN FOR THEM.

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