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Old 12-27-2009, 08:44 AM
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I decided to start this new thread after reading about the prevalence of female correctional officers in male prisons in another post. What really surprised me is to find out that it is not uncommon for female officers to supervise male inmates while they shower and thus see them completely naked. Not only is this totally degrading to male prisoners, but it is a situation that will almost certainly lead to behavioural/disciplinary problems. I imagine that some of the males that feel degraded in this manner will then strike back through various forms of lewd behaviour or sexual misconduct directed at the female officers.

In a prison environment, there is unfortunately no way for an inmate to avoid instances of forced public nudity, whether in the communal shower or during strip searches. But the least a prison can do to preserve a minimal level of dignity for inmates is to ensure that only male correctional officers see them when they are naked. I wonder if anyone has ever lobbied or petitioned for this.
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You know, I would agree for the most part, but after my last two visits male co's made sexual comments toward my man, so I don't know if gender even makes a difference. I'm sure there are gay male CO's too. I try not to think about that stuff.
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It doesn't make much difference. Why would you think that just because a women sees your man naked that she would want him in anyway??????Guys will get naked extremely fast, so if she wanted someone I think its slim that she'd pick a prisoner. I would say its harder for a male to get another male naked if he wasn't into that, so I agree with the above poster-I'd be more worried about the male CO's looking.
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It doesn't make much difference. Why would you think that just because a women sees your man naked that she would want him in anyway??????Guys will get naked extremely fast, so if she wanted someone I think its slim that she'd pick a prisoner. I would say its harder for a male to get another male naked if he wasn't into that, so I agree with the above poster-I'd be more worried about the male CO's looking.
It's more of an issue of propriety and custom for me. I'm actually a guy and I don't have a partner/spouse in prison...and in all certainty will never have one. But if we as a society have separate male and female washrooms in public areas, single-gender locker rooms and if it is not seen as appropriate for males or females to watch as members of the opposite gender wash themselves in a communal shower, then shouldn't this same sense of propriety also be extended to prisons?

Of course, there are societies where co-ed public nudity is the norm. In Finnish saunas, for example, there are both men and women sitting side-by-side entirely naked. But in our North American, Anglo-Saxon culture, this is not standard fare. I agree that men do tease/mock each other sexually as well, but of course it is inappropriate for COs to be engaging in this conduct. Yet out of a sense of dignity and propriety, male prisoners should not be seen naked by any female COs. They are not pre-pubescent little children in their mother's care, but grown men who should not be humiliated in this manner.

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My question is in female prisoners under the same scrutiny as the males. Are there male guards watching them while they shower? I don't think males should be allowed with the females while they are otherwise fully dressed, and I think it should be the same for men!
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It was my experience that the only time you were actually watch while showering was during your initial entry into prison. As this is the time where someone is most likely to bring something into the prison I can understand this. There was one female about those viewing and I am sure she did not have any sexual thought going on. I know that because she did not ask me to give her children right there. I have that effect on women.

If you are being watched showering constantly there is something else going on. There was one incident where the Female CO called out into the shower and asked the guy why he was taking so long. He said he was jacking off thinking about her. He got locked up for 30 days. When he got out he told her he had spent those 30 days jacking off thinking about her. She just laughed it off the second time.

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I totally agree with this because before they are anything they are women and if they see something they like they let those guys know. Alot of them are sexually deprived so when they see something long and strong you know they are definately checking it out. Yall feel me?
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my opinion: a good female officer is doing a good job, like a good female nurse does a good job with male patients.
and a lousy male officer is just that: a lousy male officer!

personal I prefer the correct female officer, even she is allowed to see the one I love naked and i am not..... but a correct officer is a good thing in prison, no matter if male or female.....

but if somebody finds a way to make those not so good ones leave, I would really agree, chuckle! (but both, females and males!)
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I agree with some of you in the sense that CO's (MALE OR FEMALE) shouldn't be in any area where inmates of the opposite sex are required to be naked. I think this leads to certain situations sometimes and if something goes down, who are they more prone to believe: the CO or the inmate. I just think to keep down some confusion, it shouldn't even be an issue: Male inmate/male CO Female inmate/female Co in the shower room.
Cutty tells me all the time about certain female CO's who like to check out the inmate's twigs and berries around the shower. Besides that, they might be locked up but they are still human beings and deserve some form of dignity.
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Unfortunately the corrections system is about taking away rights and dignity that those who are not incarcerated consider "basic". My personal opinion is that only CO's of the same sex should ever be in an area where inmates will be naked, but that opinion has nothing to do with the "rights" of the inmate and everything to do with safety issues.

I work in the medical field and when working with members of the opposite sex there should always be an "escort" that accompanies you when you will be preforming a procedure or exam that requires a patient to be in any stage of undress. This is done in order to protect both the personnel doing the procedure and the patient SHOULD any accusations of wrong doing be made.

As in everything there are exceptions to every rule and sometimes you have to make rules and regulations based on the lowest common denominator or "weakest link" because there are bad apples in every barrel.
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There are enough things to worry about with our loved ones in prison this should be the least of our problems. Good female officers are just doing there job. The only time they are looking in the showers is to glance in and make sure there is no fighting or no one is being harmed. New people to this site always start this type of threads. Search for them they are a dime a dozen.
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This has been discussed many times, and my counter to this is that I suppose you are in favor of male only nurses too. I worked in the medical field, and if you are truly a professional, then there is nothing sexually charged or exciting about seeing a naked body. One is pretty much like the next.

Having fought for women to have equal rights, I do not agree with any sort of segregation in the job market. It's hard enough STILL having to take as much as 10% LESS pay than a male to do the same damned job, even when I can do it better, most of the time.

If a female can't be professional (or a male, in a females correction facility), then she should be dismissed, and that, should be that.
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This has been discussed many times, and my counter to this is that I suppose you are in favor of male only nurses too. I worked in the medical field, and if you are truly a professional, then there is nothing sexually charged or exciting about seeing a naked body. One is pretty much like the next.

Having fought for women to have equal rights, I do not agree with any sort of segregation in the job market. It's hard enough STILL having to take as much as 10% LESS pay than a male to do the same damned job, even when I can do it better, most of the time.

If a female can't be professional (or a male, in a females correction facility), then she should be dismissed, and that, should be that.
I was going to say the same thing. what about females working with naked males in hospitals and nursing homes??? I work in a nursing home and trust me i've seen it all. and if you think old men don't get rammy you are sadly mistaken!!! corrections is the same as anywhere. you have excellent,professional staff and some bad apples that should have been fired long ago!!!! this has never ever been a concern of mine in the least!!!
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This has been discussed many times, and my counter to this is that I suppose you are in favor of male only nurses too. I worked in the medical field, and if you are truly a professional, then there is nothing sexually charged or exciting about seeing a naked body. One is pretty much like the next.

Having fought for women to have equal rights, I do not agree with any sort of segregation in the job market. It's hard enough STILL having to take as much as 10% LESS pay than a male to do the same damned job, even when I can do it better, most of the time.

If a female can't be professional (or a male, in a females correction facility), then she should be dismissed, and that, should be that.
It's not about a female CO's level of professionalism. If the female CO is perfectly professional, but the male prisoner still feels totally degraded for having to display himself naked in front of someone of the opposite gender, then there is a problem. If solving that problem involves gender segregation in some areas of the work place, then so be it, as this ultimately benefits people of either sex.

Yes, I would be in favour of male nurses tending to male patients if the necessary medical procedure involves nudity and if there are male nurses on duty at the time. I am also in favour of ensuring that male airport security staff only conduct pat down searches of travelers of their own gender. Moreover, I feel that Muslim women who are required to remove their veil for identification purposes while voting in elections be served by female elections staff, if they so request.

This isn't about taking away women's rights--I certainly support equal pay, regardless of gender. But what this is about is creating a compassionate and just society, where we do our best to ensure that our citizens live as dignified lives as possible, wherever they may have been and whatever they may have done.

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It's not about a female CO's level of professionalism. If the female CO is perfectly professional, but the male prisoner still feels totally degraded for having to display himself naked in front of someone of the opposite gender, then there is a problem. If solving that problem involves gender segregation in some areas of the work place, then so be it, as this ultimately benefits people of either sex.

Yes, I would be in favour of male nurses tending to male patients if the necessary medical procedure involves nudity and if there are male nurses on duty at the time. I am also in favour of ensuring that male airport security staff only conduct pat down searches of travelers of their own gender. Moreover, I feel that Muslim women who are required to remove their veil for identification purposes while voting in elections be served by female elections staff, if they so request.

This isn't about taking away women's rights--I certainly support equal pay, regardless of gender. But what this is about is creating a compassionate and just society, where we do our best to ensure that our citizens live as dignified lives as possible, wherever they may have been and whatever they may have done.
Personally, having had a spouse in prison, I would rather see more important things, like proper health care for inmates than worry about whether he felt "degraded" or "humiliated" because some female CO saw him naked. It was never a concern of mine, and I think too many people worry too much about some women seeing their man or vice versa.
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Well, when you find a way to staff prisons with enough male officers so that female officers don't have to perform these kinds of jobs you should let the states know. Staffing is an issue and even during a recession institutions are still hiring because they are under staffed and there is always a need for male officers. My answer to the issue at hand of the subject matter being degrading is that maybe the man should have gone into corrections as a career so there would be more male officers to do these jobs instead of entering corrections as a resident.
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In my opinion, there are good cos both men and women. The issue can be that the female cos get involved with male inmates and male cos get involved with female inmates. Think of how many women here met their men while working in the facility where they are. Maybe they didn't see them naked--who knows? I know personally that any male doctor I have seen who needs to see any part of me naked always makes sure to be accompanied by a female nurse. It's just a precaution. I would like to think the same should be true of basic human dignity. I would not like being shook down by a male officer when I go to visit T. I feel like this about any situation. In my opinion, there are men who like that attention and women COs who do as well. For the rest of the group--majority--a little dignity would be nice. There are some people who will never agree with this because of their personal situations, but this is just my opinion.
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I'm not concerned with male or female CO's seeing my love naked.

Oddly, I don't think male CO's should see female inmates showering though. I'm a hypocrite on this issue.
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This subject is like beating a dead horse, over and over again. Its been asked thousands of times and hundreds of ways.

Aint nothin' ever gonna change its going to be that way FOREVER, so lets just get over it....

The way I see it, the ladies (and some gentlemen) are MORE WORRIED about it than the people INSIDE, and if they was that damn worried they shouldnt got their ass locked up in the first place.

Perhaps, we should say "Edward, please dont break the law, I cant bare for a female CO to see you in the shower" (notice I used Edward, because I am a Twilighter )
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What really surprised me is to find out that it is not uncommon for female officers to supervise male inmates while they shower and thus see them completely naked.
I agree that this is not right. Only male officers should supervise showers for male inmates.
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This subject is like beating a dead horse, over and over again. Its been asked thousands of times and hundreds of ways.

Aint nothin' ever gonna change its going to be that way FOREVER, so lets just get over it....

The way I see it, the ladies (and some gentlemen) are MORE WORRIED about it than the people INSIDE, and if they was that damn worried they shouldnt got their ass locked up in the first place.

Perhaps, we should say "Edward, please dont break the law, I cant bare for a female CO to see you in the shower" (notice I used Edward, because I am a Twilighter )
As usual Thuggy, you hit the nail on the head. I see more people out here complaining about it than I hear it from anyone I write to, or heard it from my husband. And I find that the more hub-bub there is about someone seeing him naked, generally, the more jealous and insecure the relationship is anyway. I really couldn't have given a fig who saw mine naked while he was in there, he wasn't going anywhere, and didn't have any interest in anyone in there, so I had nothing to worry about. And for those doing a long haul, you're going to have plenty to worry about, and believe me, this, is nothing in the long run.
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i was a CO at a prison before and trust me on this most of us women are not "looking" at these men when they take showers or whatever. we have to deal with them jacking and thats bad enough. My baby was at my facility before and in the same building i worked in and never once did i try to look at him in that fashion. i respected him and myself more than that. this issue will never go away because of understaffing and a majority of the correctional officers in most facilities are women now days. we need good people to step up and work in these places. but also they tend to keep a lot of the bad apples and get rid of the good workers. i was always firm fair and consistant like they taught us in training and i respected the inmates like humans rather than animals like some did out there and they respected me because i respected them but i got reprimanded for being pro inmate or bcause i was a favorite i got accused of being "dirty" on a regular basis. but the shower thing i dont think many on either side really worry too much about it because they get used to it
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I read this thread to my hunny tonight and he laughed and said "The question should really be what kind of dude rather have another dude watch him shower...that would really be more degrading for me."
So for anyone new to this, don't worry yourself about things like this...prison showers are not anything like a bodywash commerical with a high class shower head and sexy loofah sponge!
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I understand this is like beating a dead horse but hey, it lets people vent their concerns.

Personally I see all sides of the argument so I just shrug my shoulders. If there was no men at my checkpoint, I would have to pat down a male. Which means I would have to touch his "personal area". Would it bother me? No, it is like rubbing down old people in the shower. I have to contain myself not to get gross out XD
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I honestly dont really care. I mean, where do you draw the line? Not all female COs are unprofessional. If they do their job right, then good for them I say.

Are you going to stop a female doctor from examining your man?

The way I see it, he's going to be around women ALL HIS LIFE. So I dont see the difference in prison.
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