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Old 08-17-2009, 12:42 AM
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so basically throughout history... whenever we check the news and a rapist was sentenced, ppl are usually like "good, he'll be taken care of in prison" or "he'll get what's comin to him" like the public expects prisoners to do their dirty work

and for a while I thought "really?" and i believed it

til i spent an off day from work lookin through prisons on the Florida DOC and I saw alotta sex offenders were in there for years(some medium custody, most in close custody)...still alive, no damage to their face in the mugshot(for the older guys)..

guys convicted of raping kids under 12, imprisoning them... sentenced in 1979 and it's 2009... still alive, untouched. and alotta these guys were/are in tough prisons in florida

so I was just wondering if it's a complete fabrication that inmates do the dirty work and beat up, rape, kill child molesters and rapists?

or do these guy lie about what they're in for and how often do inmates lie about what they did? and do other inmates ever find out?

i heard guards like to tell inmates "yeah he raped 10 kids.." and whatnot...
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I think some of the more hated ones go into protective custody to protect them.

Remember that guy who ate the people, Jeffery Dalmer...other prisoners killed him. I guess you really would not call him a rapist.

I do think these inmates are highly disliked and I think a certain amount of bad does happen to them.
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when looking at their DOC profiles... how can u tell if they are in protective custody or will it not say?


so can I assume if im lookin at a profile and it says they are in medium/close custody that they really are in PC???
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when looking at their DOC profiles... how can u tell if they are in protective custody or will it not say?


so can I assume if im lookin at a profile and it says they are in medium/close custody that they really are in PC???
florida doesnt tell u on the site if they r in pc or what dorm their in none of that. when it says close custody it doesnt mean there in the hole or pc. my man is on close custody and hes in open dorm/normal population and hes not a so
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so basically throughout history... whenever we check the news and a rapist was sentenced, ppl are usually like "good, he'll be taken care of in prison" or "he'll get what's comin to him" like the public expects prisoners to do their dirty work

and for a while I thought "really?" and i believed it

til i spent an off day from work lookin through prisons on the Florida DOC and I saw alotta sex offenders were in there for years(some medium custody, most in close custody)...still alive, no damage to their face in the mugshot(for the older guys)..

guys convicted of raping kids under 12, imprisoning them... sentenced in 1979 and it's 2009... still alive, untouched. and alotta these guys were/are in tough prisons in florida

so I was just wondering if it's a complete fabrication that inmates do the dirty work and beat up, rape, kill child molesters and rapists?

or do these guy lie about what they're in for and how often do inmates lie about what they did? and do other inmates ever find out?

i heard guards like to tell inmates "yeah he raped 10 kids.." and whatnot...
my son's father is a convicted sex offender. he did 3 years in prison. the stories you hear about other inmaes "taking care of" sex offenders for the most part is BS. most of the guys in there have enough of their own things to worry about other than catchin another charge. i w't say it don't happen because it does. we had an incident here in the prison my Jeremy is in actually, where the guy who raped the little girl "accidentaly" got put in a block with the victims uncle. the uncle held the guy down and tattooed the little girls name backwards across the guys forehead so that every time he looks in the mirror he sees his victims name. so yea it DOES happen but it's not like what every says. i know here in Indiana most sex offenders go to one certain prison for the most part so that it doesn't happen like that.

and yea, some guards do like to tell other inmates what sex offenders are in there for. i know my son's faher had no real problems while he was in prison. most people in there just wanna do their time and get out. sorry for all the mistakes my keyboard is acting all screwy!
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i think for the most part these type crimes ARE looked down on in prison. BUT my man shuns them completely. he won't attack them cause he's not trying to catch more charges but he does shun them. acts as if they don't even exist he says. and absolutely they lie about their crimes. marc was "friends" with 2 dudes for over a year till another inmate wised him up that one was in for raping his daughter and the other for raping his niece. he cut them off immediately,hates them now. i've tried to talk to him about being kind to everyone but he ain't hearing me and he's a grown man so he's entitled to whatever feelings he chooses to have.
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My guy was just released last week. Not long before he was released, a sex offender was stabbed for that reason. So, yes, the stories are true. Not all incidents cause outward scars and not all scars show up in pictures.
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I saw alotta sex offenders were in there for years(some medium custody, most in close custody)...still alive, no damage to their face in the mugshot(for the older guys)..

guys convicted of raping kids under 12, imprisoning them... sentenced in 1979 and it's 2009... still alive, untouched. and alotta these guys were/are in tough prisons in florida

so I was just wondering if it's a complete fabrication that inmates do the dirty work and beat up, rape, kill child molesters and rapists?

or do these guy lie about what they're in for and how often do inmates lie about what they did? and do other inmates ever find out?
What is it you WANT to see? realize that sometimes they did it and sometimes they didn't. I know a few SO, and I know a couple of them are innocent. You think the innocent should be taken out and beaten into a bloody pulp? Do you think the DOC site is going to say "Convicted, but he really didn't do it" or "Yeah he did it, but he's such a totally knarly dude!"

Exactly what is it you're looking for?
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I see that this thread was just moved into LASO - hmm, I'm not sure the intent was intended for *support* of SO. JHMO

So, before anyone jumps on the OP for coming into LASO with this, they originally posted in the General Prison Talk forum or one like it. I just read it there and bam, then it was here. No one came in to step on our toes.
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Yes, I agree with cornered, what is it you are wanting to hear? You sound a bit sad that the stories may not be true.

The problem is, the assumptions, no one really knows what anyone is in there for, they are not suppose to have or ever show their papers, so how would anyone "find out?".

A guard can be fired for "outing" an inmate, all the inmate has to do is report them.

For those of us with loved ones incarcerated under the SO banner, we are only glad, day by day, that most of the stories are not true. Still, for anyone "assumed" to be a SO, life can be bad enough as a "Chomo".
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weird.
As I know it, at least in CA state prisons......most folks convicted of a sex offense, are put into a yard known as SNY. Sensitive needs yard.
All others on the yard do not have anything to gain from causing trouble.
All have SOME reason to be away from the General population of inmates.
Hub has told me, where he is, most of the guys just want to do their own time, and pretty much leave others alone.
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Old 08-17-2009, 10:00 AM
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i personally do not feel 'unsupported' because a thread of this nature is now in LASO.
Anytime AnyOne has questions re sex offenders, i think it's good that we hear them and speak with them...... that way we both learn.

Life encompasses lifetime-learning. And much learning comes from dealing with difficult issues. We ALL have to learn the how of this dealing with, in regards to our loved ones being labeled SO. We'll be dealing with it when they come 'out'.
The very fact that we're here in LASO means that we are dealing with it now.

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yes, it's assumed and stated by many that 's/he'll get what s/he deserves. Perhaps it's the utterance/writing in response to said person's perceived need for vengeance.
I seriously doubt said person would say that if it were his/her loved one. And the sad truth is: sex offense is perpretrated by those KNOWN to the family/victim. IE., a perp is already in said person's environment...and they don't even know it, while they spout off their diatribe.

And, those making the most noise often have the most to hide. Most thinking folk realize that when one is using the diversionary tactic placing attention on another is utilized to direct attention away from self. A potentially not good thing.
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I agree Granni about asking ?? and learning.
I have learned so much from you all.

I shudder to think how stupid I was before. Really stupid.
Most folks who spout off, about how.........well......they will get theirs by Bubba.........
ha ha.....etc etc......

stupid. really stupid statement.
(I actually sort of feel sorry for Bubba............)
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That "the prisoners will give it to 'em" crap is no different than the lies some tell themselves about "karma exists" or "god will get 'em" or "they'll get what's coming to 'em."

It's BS. Very few SO's get any real abuse in prison, and, you'd be amazed how high the percentage of SO's in prisons is.

I say let the vindictive people have their fantasies, since no free person really understands what it means to lose freedom anyway.

And about custody... in WA (and at least a couple other states I know of), custody works like this:

Minimum (many levels indicated MIx, where x can be a number, and MI3 is effectively Medium because the guy has a lot of time) is lowest security

Medium is slightly worse, usually because someone got in trouble and may be working their way up from closed

Closed is the "maximum" normal security. Usually it entails limited "social" time.

"Maximum" means basically seclusion. It includes both Ad-Seg (Administrative Segregation), which is basically PC, and D-Seg (Disciplinary Segregation), which is 'the hole.'

There is one other class of "Maximum" and that's Death Row. It's pretty much the same thing--never outside the cell unless either handcuffed and escorted, or locked in a rec yard alone.

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Agreed, what do want to know?
My loved one is an RSO and he didn't touch anyone, no rape, no contact at all. Oh and he got out of prison just fine. Some minor stuff but once he moved to a different place, all was quiet. He wasn't beaten nor was anyone else to his knowledge because of that,more gang-related in our system.
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This topic is being moved back to GPT as it has nothing to do with Loving a Sex Offender.

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And what about he person conviced of a sex crime that is innocent? Do you want his blood on your hands? And there are many of them in prison.
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Yeah it happens. And sometimes, I think they deserve what they get. Depends on what the sex offense is for. As I've said in other forums, I don't mind living next door to the guy who got peeing on a wall behind a bar (here in OK, that a sex offense, and you do have to register if you are guilty), or the kid who was 18, dating his 16 year old girlfriend and the parents all of a sudden went stupid and charged him with stat. rape (one of the guys my husband was in with)

Now, his celly at that unit? Sex with an 8 year old boy. He admitted his crime to my husband, and talked about it at length. My husband was completely disgusted by the entire thing, and just asked him to stop talking about it, before someone else overheard him and decided to hurt him for it. My husband wasn't willing to catch a case over this fool. That guy got 25 years for his crime, and my husband said the most disgusting part of it, was this guy claiming that the little boy "seduced" him and it was all consensual sex, so he didn't do anything wrong. Mostly, he was shunned by all the men on that block, because of his crime. In another unit, he might have gotten hurt, and badly.

Most inmates don't talk about their crimes, and they don't like to be pressed about it, either. Then you have this guy, telling anyone who will listen that he was wrongfully convicted, because he was "seduced", by a child. Personally, I think he should be in a state hospital, being studied by psychiatrists, who can maybe figure out what causes this, and how to stop it.

Me personally? He admitted to the crime, and if we're not doing something useful with him like studying him to prevent this, then why keep him around for 25 years? Fortunately, hopefully, he will be too damned old to molest any other little boys by the time he sees free daylight again.
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What is it you WANT to see? realize that sometimes they did it and sometimes they didn't. I know a few SO, and I know a couple of them are innocent. You think the innocent should be taken out and beaten into a bloody pulp? Do you think the DOC site is going to say "Convicted, but he really didn't do it" or "Yeah he did it, but he's such a totally knarly dude!"

Exactly what is it you're looking for?
huh? im just wondering if they get attacked, raped, etc alot since the movies and everybody thinks they do.
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Interesting thoughtful thread...
And Tenn....Jeffrey Dahmer most certainly did rape his victims!
This caught my eye because the day before yesterday i had the experience of meeting a man in a coffee house who (long story) diclosed to me he was an ex-felon, who has been out for a year, after doing 28 years.
His crime? He wrote it down on a piece of paper for me..."Killed a child molester." Then he said to me quietly, "My father."
It dawned on me he was the victim. I felt such sadness for this man.
How awful to be abused by your own father, to make a decision to stop the abuse the way he did. And then to do time for it. 28 years.
I dont condone murder and i feel for a young person who has been abused and thought that killing the perpertrator was the only solution. It's messed up!
I also wondered why the OP spends time researching this sort of information, but we all have our interests, dont we?
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My understanding is that the prisons try to put offenders with like offenders, so if that is true, the child molesters should be with other child molesters. Some places where my guy was they put them in PC.
I think that their safety depends on where they are. They do not have to discuss their crime. Apparently this information is leaked before they ever arrive.

In one of the many places where my man was, there was a man in PC who was a pre-trial inmate charged with child molestation. "something" happened, and the gang members got this man on the way to the showers. He was visciously attacked, leg broken, many assaults by many different inmates. Eventually, the guards showed up and separated everyone, and the injured inmate was taken to the hospital for treatment. The facility then went into lockdown so that they could investigate.
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Yeah it happens. And sometimes, I think they deserve what they get. Depends on what the sex offense is for. As I've said in other forums, I don't mind living next door to the guy who got peeing on a wall behind a bar (here in OK, that a sex offense, and you do have to register if you are guilty), or the kid who was 18, dating his 16 year old girlfriend and the parents all of a sudden went stupid and charged him with stat. rape (one of the guys my husband was in with)

Now, his celly at that unit? Sex with an 8 year old boy. He admitted his crime to my husband, and talked about it at length. My husband was completely disgusted by the entire thing, and just asked him to stop talking about it, before someone else overheard him and decided to hurt him for it. My husband wasn't willing to catch a case over this fool. That guy got 25 years for his crime, and my husband said the most disgusting part of it, was this guy claiming that the little boy "seduced" him and it was all consensual sex, so he didn't do anything wrong. Mostly, he was shunned by all the men on that block, because of his crime. In another unit, he might have gotten hurt, and badly.

Most inmates don't talk about their crimes, and they don't like to be pressed about it, either. Then you have this guy, telling anyone who will listen that he was wrongfully convicted, because he was "seduced", by a child. Personally, I think he should be in a state hospital, being studied by psychiatrists, who can maybe figure out what causes this, and how to stop it.

Me personally? He admitted to the crime, and if we're not doing something useful with him like studying him to prevent this, then why keep him around for 25 years? Fortunately, hopefully, he will be too damned old to molest any other little boys by the time he sees free daylight again.
This is a very difficult topic for me and for 2 huge reasons.
One: I personally knew Megan Kanka and her family! She has a brother who played soccer with my son. Megan's dad was the coach. That little girl was my neighbor and a friend to the children there. I was part of the community search team who went out to try to find that child who was visciously attacked by a known predator and then tossed like garbage in a garbage bag! That child did nothing to instigate what happened to her.
I won't comment on my feelings because I did so once before and all I got was replies on how it must have been her fault.
Two: In the good ol' days before we became politically correct, the diagnosis of pedophilia was considered to be one of a few catagorized as criminally insane. These individuals were locked in psychiatric hospitals, studied, given medications and treatments in the hope of a cure!

Then we became politically correct and the states were going broke. This incurable diagnosis was re-classified as "deviant behavior". The states agreed to "monitor" them, discharged them into society saving millions of dollars. Psychiatric wings for the criminally insane were drastically reduced.

Treatment centers were established some for a month or so of inpatient therapy ( the same medications that were always given) and then outpatient therapy ( the same stuff that did not work before).

And so, here we are with a social dilemma.

BTW, the man who killed Megan had been one of the inpatients before the new guidelines and had also failed treatment twice before!! He was living in a house with 3 other men who like himself had been released from the psychiatric hospital!

Now as it stands, we are now allowed to know this information about our neighbors!

Sorry so long!
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Not all sex offenders are child molesters or rapist. My husband was in a adult chat room when an undercover cop was posing as a 15 year old girl and they exchanged pictures, the rest is history. And the pictures the cop sent my husband were of a 28 year old woman in very provacative poses. My husband never touched a soule and the county the sting operation was in arrested 23 men that week. The police create crimes where one never even existed. So now my husband will be a Sex Offender for the next 20 years, he has to serve 3 years. He is in a prison with a lot of sex offenders and noboby messes with anybody. There are a lot of guys in jail for statutory rape and they were messing with 14 and 15 year olds, some of these guys are only 21,22 years old. So the laws need to change. As far as the real child molesters go, I cannot say where they go and if they get put in protective custody. I know there are some where he is and like I said most of these guys just want to do their time and get out, they are not looking for trouble. He is in a medium security prison.
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Old 08-20-2009, 07:03 PM
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My ex husband is a so and a vo, if anything negative has happened to him he will not ever tell me. I know he is finally (after almost a year) aclimenting to the environment. is this easy no, has it been easy no. His (our children) pray every night for the Lord to keep daddy safe.

Some of the things you see on the prison shows do happen, sometimes a co lets it slip and that co is never ratted out.

In alot of prisons they ones that convicted more then one offense are usually in a seg unit or protective custody, If the co is found out, then he usually only get discipline measures and moved to a different "housing" unit.

Whether or not they are guilty doesn't usually matter behind the bars, everyone is trying to do their time and get out, it's usually the young bucks trying to prove themselves that try and target someone but they usually get schooled real quick on what goes and what doesn't on the block.

For those of us with a loved one marked a so, we pray for their safety, we hope they come home with few mental scars and hopefully not real scars, but society has scarred them and their families for life.
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I have to say that as a parent, I have an issue with a twenty something hooking up with a fourteen or fifteen year old. To me, that is disgusting. I will admit that some fourteen and fifteen year olds look like twenty somethings. No matter the crime though, I do not think that they deserve to be stabbed. If someone hurt my child, my opinion on this might change, but as it stands right now, I do not believe that other inmates have any right to judge another. They are all criminals. This is coming from someone who has personal experience with molestation. There. That's my two cents.
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