Do police/parole/rap sheets lie?

inlovewithhhp · #1 02-15-2009, 06:39 PM

Hi everyone,

I am really having a hard time. If you are interested in the details of what happened to cause my man to go back to jail, you can see my first post.

Anyway- my love sent me copies of the police report, which included some paper from the parole board. On the parole board paper, there were listed 2 prior charges: History of weapons and battery on a peace officer. My man swore to me before this that he has NO history of any violent offenses, only drug possession. I was LIVID when I saw this- thinking he had lied to me so I hightailed it down to the jail this morning to ask him about it. He SWEARS, that he knew NOTHING about any such charges, SWEARS that he never possessed any weapons nor committed battery on a peace officer. SWEARS.

Now I have only been with him for 5 months. We are truly, madly and deeply in love. BUT I CAN'T GET OVER THIS. He told me he's never lied to me, WOULD never lie to me, and even got irritated that I was believing some government paper over him. I WANT to believe him- honesty is so very important to me. It is tearing me apart.

So tell me- I have never been involved with the law in my life before I met my bad boy (who I dearly love)----so I have no experience. Is it true that you can get false charges on your rap sheet, that police and parole agents lie (she told 2 lies that I know for a FACT are not true) ? Is there any way I can get a copy of his rap sheet (I'm in California). I NEED to know the TRUTH, it is driving me insane. IF I find out that they are indeed lies, you are going to see the biggest crusader or else I will be in a mental hospital because who can fight the system when they lie? Please give me honest opinions. Thank you so much.

thugwife · #2 02-15-2009, 06:59 PM

I dunno, but I KNOW cops lie and some do. They pull confessions out of people all the time saying they have evidence or someone is going to testify about what happened, etc... Do we KNOW that he is being untruthful? NO, it would depend on what the report said and how well I know my man BEFORE I believed the report. I know that my husband got charged with burglary back in 2001, the initial report stated that he hit the victim with a brick in the head. When the police came to our house to arrest him, they told me that the guy involved would likely die during the night. OMG, are you serious?

THAT WAS A LIE. His friend got the assault case, BUT no brick was involved EVER. I was there at the house when this all happened. We have photos of the victim and he had a skinned up knee and arm. I hate to discourage your "crusade" but it will likely get you nowhere. Alot of us have been there, and dont get me wrong it is a beautiful thing that he has you on his team, but NOTHING is fair in the world of prison/jail/DOC. NOTHING.

You can get his criminal record. Here in Ky its a nominal fee, but its public info. Its not going to go into detail with what all happened on each charge. It will list each charge, and maybe if he got time or a fine on it. (this is how they are here). You might be able to contact the courthouse and speak to one of the clerks. They really aint supposed to tell you alot but I am certain if they think you might be at risk by him they will tell you SOMETHING.

Here in my town we can go to the courthouse and get on a computer and type a persons name in and it shows all their charges, punishments and etc. It will keep you from having to pay for the copy of the record.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the reports are probably accurate. NOW, it may not be as BAD as they wrote, but the likelihood of it being right is at best 90%. There aint no right/wrong in this system. Its US against THEM. Trust me, I have been victim more than once by the unjust system. I have had CO's straight lie and say my husband touched me inappropriately on visit, causing us to lose visits for 3 months, I have had police lie to me and say "they know" I was involved in his escape (I was, but they didnt really know) if they did "WHY" didnt they arrest me instead of scaring me into confessing I was involved?

Its all a game darling and the strong will survive. Best of luck

socal mom · #3 02-15-2009, 08:45 PM

This website might help you - just follow the directions. Good luck.
http://criminalsearches.com/

inlovewithhhp · #4 02-15-2009, 08:58 PM

Thanks for that. I came up with 9 traffic/other and 1 drug charge. Do you know how reliable this site is?

inlovewithhhp · #5 02-15-2009, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by thugwife

I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the reports are probably accurate. NOW, it may not be as BAD as they wrote, but the likelihood of it being right is at best 90%.

Thank you for your post. This part is scary- however, it was basically a "referral" as to what to do with him from the parole board. It said "send him to prison while awaiting trial" or something like that. He's still sitting in county jail. The police report was very accurate and truthful. His PO lied twice that I can prove, and once that my man said she did but I personally can't prove it but I have good reason to believe him. It's the weapons and battery that I'm concerned about- and it's not even the charge- it's the 'whether he was honest with me' that's bugging me. I am inclined to trust him but I don't want to be naive. I just don't like the way it makes me feel and I left him feeling very upset sitting in that jail cell. I feel horrible about the whole thing. My heart wants him to be telling me the truth and me being able to prove it for my own sanity. Does that make sense? Thanks for your help!

heaven09 · #6 02-15-2009, 09:54 PM

It is possible for things to be on your record that you weren't charged with. I have seen it happen twice to my x-husband somehow his dad's charges ended up on his record they have the same name. Also a friend of mine went to the local courthouse to get her what should have been clean criminal record for a job, another lady who shared the same name charges were on her record. She was able after a while to get it straightened out but not in time to get the job. So it can happen, so you can either trust what he is saying or look further into it and see if you can get a hold of the court documents to see if it was truly him.

robby340 · #7 02-15-2009, 09:58 PM

No the sheets do not lie, however it could be listing crimes he was charged with but not convicted. Without seeing the paper I cannot tell you which way it is. As far as him not knowing about it, that is what I would have a hard time believing.

ShoogaBritches · #8 02-15-2009, 10:28 PM

Here in Florida...we can go on the website of the county clerks office and see the 'rap sheet' of criminal and civil records.

People can also go into the court house to the records department and request copies of case (fill in the blank with the case number). Now, if it's a sensitive case (having to do with children or sex crimes), you will get what's called a 'washed' copy. That just means they have ran through the pages and wiped out the victims name(s). This will cost you 1 dollar a page, here in Florida.

Every thing that has happened has to be put on file and kept for so many years.

The only thing is you MUST know what county or else it's gonna be like a needle in a hay stack. Just because one record doesn't have it, doesn't mean that's the entire record of his past. He could have records in other counties.

I'm not saying he does, I have no idea...just that he could.

Now, as for the chic lying on him, that happens every day whether it was malicious intent or she just got him confused with another case.

But, any arrest record is public knowledge. As long as you know WHERE to look, and are willing to pay for it, you can find out everything about anyone. Unless he is some kind of secret agent, I guess.

inlovewithhhp · #9 02-16-2009, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by ShoogaBritches

Now, as for the chic lying on him, that happens every day whether it was malicious intent or she just got him confused with another case.

I have had this hunch from the beginning because two of the lies she told are easily proved wrong- I don't know what's going on but I am going to find out. I think she's confusing him with some other guy.

Thank you so much everyone for your input and support! I really appreciate it!

marcsbeth · #10 02-16-2009, 07:06 AM

it absolutely is possible. there were 60 charges on his (marc's) record. i was FURIOUS. he went to court swearing all those charges were NOT his. he was so adamant the judge allowed some type of continuance so the da could get the fingerprint cards. would you believe out of those 60 charges only 12 were his(determined by the fingerprint cards). but the police or whoever didn't lie. another dude was using his identity. i know it sounds unbelievable but it's true. i called the da and asked him myself(well, i left a voicemail) he returned my call and left me a voicemail telling me not all those charges were NOT marc's due to the fact the fingerprint cards didn't match up. these kind of things can and do happen. sad thing is, i don't know if i woulda taken only marc's word for it. hearing from the da clinched it for me. i knew there was no reason for the da to lie.

inlovewithhhp · #11 02-16-2009, 07:26 AM

Marcsbeth, I know for a fact that someone was using my mans identity when we were living in my car, I was with him 24/7, and his veterans affairs officer accused him of being in jail the past weekend. He saw it on Vinelink.com. Well I KNEW he wasn't in jail because I was with him! So....that may be happening here....wow....you think these things only happen on TV. I guess I'm going to have to put on my investigators hat. What a mess but my man is worth fighting for!

Thanks for your post.

xgot420issuesx · #12 02-16-2009, 08:13 AM

You really should try to get to the bottom of this, even if you can't, your boyfriend should try to if this isn't true. I mean wouldn't you want to know if it were your criminal history and it was false? There are ways to find out. I am in PA so I don't know what Ca. is like. But in PA, we have what is called Public Web Docket Sheets. It is a website run by the state and it lists all court and magistrate cases.
I got my husbands State Police Criminal Record, it cost me $10.00. The State Police record is what employers use and like when you go to buy a gun, it is the background check that is run. My husband has an old gun charge, he legally owned the gun, but he didn't have a permit to carry it, so anyways, the charge, we thought was a felony, but to our amazement, it is only a misdemeanor. So it is a good thing to get the State Police record, that was something that worked out in our favor, perhaps it will clear up what you are concerned about. I will say this, whatever comes back on the State Police record, it is all true, they don't make mistakes on those things, unless as Beth mentioned, someone was using his Identity, but seeing as he has been in trouble before, they have his prints on file, so if someone said they were him when they got arrested, as soon as they ran the prints, it would have come up that the person wasn't who he said he was. I mean clerical mistakes happen all the time as we know, the only thing you can do is do your own investigating on this. Criminal records are PUBLIC record. In some cases you may have to pay a nominal fee. but you may not also. To me, it is worth it to find out.

inlovewithhhp · #13 02-16-2009, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by xgot420issuesx

To me, it is worth it to find out.

Oh yes, it is definitely worth it and I will do what I can to find the truth. I think the courthouse is closed today but I will be there first thing in the morning for sure. Thank you.

xgot420issuesx · #14 02-16-2009, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by inlovewithhhp

Oh yes, it is definitely worth it and I will do what I can to find the truth. I think the courthouse is closed today but I will be there first thing in the morning for sure. Thank you.

To get a State Police record, you will need to know his Social Sec. # and his date of birth. Just so you know. If you don't know the Soc. Sec., you won't be able to get it.

Damn I know everything my husband ever did, right down to when he was 15, he got caught with cigarettes in school .... lol ....he didn't even smoke .

inlovewithhhp · #15 02-16-2009, 08:36 AM

I do have his social and birthdate. Thank you for that tip.