Jobs that a felon can't have

mrsg · #1 07-24-2003, 10:03 AM

Does anyone know specifically what jobs a person could not hold if they had been convicted of a felony?

wannamae · #2 07-24-2003, 08:32 PM

I think that depends on what type of felon? Not to sure.
But lets see my sister has a felony but she works as a CNA.
She cant get a job at a bank, tho.
So my guess would be that since my sisters involed $$$ she cant really work with $$$.
Wished I knew more, not wanting to pry.
Have you looked it up on the net?

Lawana

mrsg · #3 07-25-2003, 09:42 AM

yes, i tried to look it up, but couldn't really find anything. this is also $$ stuff.

wannamae · #4 07-25-2003, 03:20 PM

What does your spouse like to do? Construction, painter, masonary work? These are things that a person can learn and then start side jobs. Who knows, eventually get enough business for their own. Know what I mean. Build the reputation of a good worker and great skills.
Also read up on the Bonding Issues. I posted a couple links in this forum.

From what I read on the Bonding, an employer can get this free for I think it said 6 months. Not just for felons for people who are working to get off welfare also. And bad credit.
So when the ex-felon goes for the intial or second interview, that person will know what is being talked when it comes to "Bonding".
Just a thought. If the ex-felon worked in the system and got good reviews for work, cant that Unit manager or whatever also give the inmate a reference for the good work the inmate did?
When I was trying to get work after being on welfare, I answered my laspe there as the Department of Social Services. They were sending me a check every month! lol

Just some thoughts..

wannamae

Wolfdude · #5 08-06-2006, 02:02 PM

I am not honestly sure what exact jobs felons can not have since there is no national law that defines exactly what jobs a felon can not have. In general I have never seen any law that recognises "convicted felon's as a protected class per-se in cases of discrimination. Felons do not have a protected class status like that afforded, race, disability or national origin. As things stand now if a company wants to discriminate strictly based on felony conviction while morally wrong there is no law I am aware of forbiding the practice.

Now drug abuse is a different story. Dope addiction is now considered a disability not a moral lapse so so using past addiction as a discrimination tool when someone is a recovering addict likely goes against the ADA. Until nutty doctors make felons into some new type of disabled people which is only a matter of time the way things are going until then felons can be denied jobs as best I know.

Felony's come in different types in the minds of employers.

Crimes like identity thief, stealing, anything where the core of the criminal act is a betrayal of trust is considered a Crime of Moral Turpitude. A Crime of Moral Turpitude suggests that the nature of a particular felon's crime defines them as having an antisocial character defect so profoundly vile that a felon capable of certain crimes can or should never be trusted by members of polite society ever again.

The other reason felons get discriminated against is because, polite society likes to think it that since its members did not commit a felony they are somehow better then "common" criminals. There is a certain extremely negative stereotype driven "discomfort" polite society associates with convicted felons and workplaces respond to that widely held anti-felon prejudice using discrimination.

Some people consider felons life long morally defective in character development no matter if they located in or out of prison. If you hold that a convicted felon at the moment they betray polite societies trust by commiting their felonious crime forever marks him or her self as a terminally morally defective person unworthy of polote societies forgiveness. So location of a felon in prison or out makes no difference to one who beleives once a felon always a felon. Members of polite ssociety who are unwilling or unable to forgive a felon in ways that offer a true second chance to rejoin society feel they are right to destroy the lives of others at a vunerable moment betrayed societies trust.

On the net here is how I have found a crime of moral turpitude defined,....

Crimes of Moral Turpitude: refers generally to conduct that shocks the public conscience." Obviously, offenses such as murder, voluntary manslaughter, kidnaping, robbery, and aggravated assaults involve moral turpitude. However, assaults not involving dangerous weapons or evil intent have been held not to involve moral turpitude. Conspiracy, attempt, or being an accessory involves moral turpitude if the underlying offense involves moral turpitude. There is administrative and judicial case law holding that any crime having as an element the intent to defraud is a crime involving moral turpitude. See Gordon and Mailman, Immigration Law and Procedure, § 75.05[1][d].

boston0068 · #6 08-07-2006, 08:33 PM

Different states have different laws regarding employing ex-felons in certain fields. I know two ex-felons that work as para-legals making pretty good $$$. Another ex-felon is a paramedic. However, (and many potential private businesses are unaware of this), if a business hires an ex-felon, they may be entitled to a federal tax credit as an ex-felon is considered having a 'limited disability'. Hope this helps.

starting over · #7 08-10-2006, 10:54 AM

Boston, how did the para-legals get hired? I'm glad to hear about that success, but just curious. Did they have the experience or schooling before the crimes?

**rosedealer** · #8 08-10-2006, 11:15 AM

i have heard of ex cons get there para legal while in and when they came out someone took a chance and gave them a job. an ex con can all be a bounty hunter. here where i am an excon can not work in a casino or a bank and some excon that are for drugs can not work in nursing homes or hospitals it just depend of the felony but i do know that it does not matter what they did the ex con for no casino work.

inmateswife · #9 08-10-2006, 01:46 PM

you mean to tell me that someone who is/has been in for criminal sexual conduct can get work being a "bounty hunter" ? If so, how do they go about getting the infomation for a bounty hunter?

inmateswife-Michigan

boston0068 · #10 08-10-2006, 04:54 PM

Starting Over,

One guy took a para-legal correspondence course while inside. It wasn't hard for him to get a job with para-legal schooling after he was released. A second one just walked into a fairly large law firm and convinced the senoir partner to let him read law in the firm. The partner told him if he went to school and got his certification as a para-legal, he had a permanent job. Well, he took the appropriate schooling, and the firm was good to their word, they gave him a job. Naturally, these two guys had to market themselves and convince their potential employer to hire them.

inmateswife,

As far as being a bounty hunter, I've known a few from working in law enforcement prior to my conviction and let me tell you, they were real low lives!! No morals. No conscious. In law enforcement circles, they were considered lower than a child rapist. It isn't a good profession.

boston0068

kittyCatsmeow · #11 08-10-2006, 08:13 PM

Felony's come in different types in the minds of employers.

Crimes like identity thief, stealing, anything where the core of the criminal act is a betrayal of trust is considered a Crime of Moral Turpitude. A Crime of Moral Turpitude suggests that the nature of a particular felon's crime defines them as having an antisocial character defect so profoundly vile that a felon capable of certain crimes can or should never be trusted by members of polite society ever again.

Well... here is my thoughts though on that.

Basically, as I see it .. it's up to the employer. What they want to say yes or no way to when looking at criminal records. Some people get lucky and get bartending jobs or others luck out and get the para legal position.

I have lost several nice jobs because of my record. I had even disclosed my record on the application TALKED to the interviewer about what happend. And after a year or even more.. got fired for some trivial thing. Once when the doc wanted to put me in the hospital for being so sick - and a doctors excuse and a fever and STILL lost the job

Truly .. a criminal record can ruin your life in more ways even afer you have done the time.

donald.thurmond · #12 08-10-2006, 09:26 PM

Mrs G,
It all depends on the business and the owner. It is not a specific list of jobs that felons can't have. In most cases a felon can not work at jobs such as governent jobs. A lot of places will hire a felon as long as there offense is not related to the job they are going to get.
Donald

mrssunnyb · #13 08-11-2006, 08:57 AM

Im Here In Michigan And I Currently Work For A Company That Hire People With Criminal Records. They Always Said - What You Did Is What You Did. All That Matters Is What Goes On From Here On Out.

The State Is Always Recgonizing Them For That.

I Just Wish That More Companies Has The Same Feeling.

californiasucks · #14 10-18-2006, 03:18 AM

Hello all I have been reading allot of posts on here and know where you comin from. However I didnt go to prison, probally should have and served less time and still be in the same situation. I went to Jail for 6 months but still have a criminal back ground even after completeing everything and getting them reduced and dismissd. It will still linger over my head for the rest of my life. On top of that Im a tax paying citizen . Why shouldnt we be able to vote and do as a normal citizen. I could see if your a repeadid felon and you just dont want to change or give a dam . But its so hard for people these days. My attorney said I can be a doctor if I want to , dont let the past wreck my future. But in this corrupt day in age, its who you know is where ya gonna go. So whos to say if I take the exam I wont pass. YEAH right. in order to be a doc. you have to give percreptions . Being that it was a Health (marijuana) case still you cant do anything. Mabe a Chiropractor?????

. Whos to say. Im willing to pay for school thats not a problem how ever long it will take but then whos to say the laws wont change when Im done with school. Then it would have been a waist of time.. Ya know . Things change so often its redicilous. Then there to complain why people arent voteing. Well hell if you tell America if youve commited a felon you cant vote then theres your answer. A good population of America has a feloney . Things just need to change for us and for the better. Any ideas of feedback greatly appreciated. Good luck all. Sorry for the spelling Its like 1am and Im so tired.. GN off to bed

pgir · #15 10-18-2006, 10:47 PM

Well guys. I have read many posts where the ex-inmate is in concern about obtaining employment after prison.
Getting back your identity and getting re-established is the first thing to do. Getting employment can seem very dis-earning.
Using the state's Federal Bonding programs are good, but, you have to find an employer that's willing to hire you first.
We just went through that.
Maybe some of you should try your hand at gettign your own businesses.
Don't laugh, It can be done. Write down all the things you know how to do. then pick out the things you like to do, and then pick out the things you do best.

Use that as a tool to find out if your own business is best for you.
If you know how to cut hair, and did it in prison, apply with a local barber, rent a chair and work under his license till you get your own.
Take all the jobs and whatever you did in prison and use that as experiences and use it as a tool as well.

My friend recently got out of prison after 5 years. He looked for a job for 2 months and was getting discouraged.

I gave him a peice of paper and made him do the list.

When we found what his niche was, I made him a free website and I placed an ad on cragslist, Now, he's doing yard work and small painting jobs and making good $$$. Right now, he calls himself a handiman. But, when he gets his DBA, he'll call himself a serviceman. He's going to legally register himself I think within the month.
It can be done fellas. Just keep the faith.