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Old 05-06-2003, 04:18 PM
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Default 19 year old, youngest inmate on Texas Death Row.

'Death Row' inmate tells Midland lawyer of prison experience


Midland defense attorney Ian Cantacuzene has recently been corresponding
with convicted murderer Clinton Lee Young III, who at the age of 19 is the
youngest of 450 offenders currently on death row in Texas.

"He seems to be surprised at how bad death row is, it seems to be a shock
to him," Cantacuzene said of letters he has received from his former
client.

Once a free-spirit who apparently roamed around partying, according to
trial testimony, Young now spends at least 23 hours a day locked in a
cell, gets one shower every other day and three hours per week of exercise
on a chain-linked dog run.

Cantacuzene said Young's nourishment has consisted of "institution
loaves," which are loaves of bread with necessary food items like meat and
vegetables ground up and baked in, because the death row section has been
on a temporary "lock down" for inmate disturbances.

Young was convicted by a Midland jury of capital murder and sentenced to
death by Judge John Hyde on April 11 after jurors determined there were no
mitigating circumstances to spare his life.

At 4:30 a.m. the following Monday morning, Young left his home of 17
months at the Midland County Detention Center and was transported to Death
Row at Polunsky Unit in Livingston.

If there is a single good thing about prison existence as opposed to life
at the Midland County Detention Center, it's that Young has a small window
in his cell and is able to look outside, his lawyer explained.

"He is happy he has a window. At least now he can look out to see the days
change," Cantacuzene said.

Meanwhile, Cantacuzene said, his former client who has been appointed
Midland attorney Rusty Wall as an appellate lawyer, remains hopeful his
life may still be spared.

"He wants to live, he doesn't want to die," Cantacuzene explained. "We are
hopeful something good would come in the appeal."

While the longest-held death row inmate has been there since 1975,
Department of Corrections records show, Cantacuzene said that person is
under the "old law' and that laws applying to Young means he has "about
four to 6 years" to win an appeal or face death by lethal injection.

"I think in the next four years we could read in the paper that he's been
executed," Cantacuzene explained.

Midland County District Attorney Al Schorre told jurors during closing
arguments they would look at their papers every morning for the rest of
their lives to see whether Young had killed again, either inside or
outside of prison if not executed.

The jury deliberated about 13 hours over the course of 2 days before
determining there were no reasons to spare his life.

Young's first victim, Doyle Douglas of Ore City, was shot in the head,
dumped alive inside his own car trunk and disposed of in an East Texas
creek.

A 2nd man, Samuel Petrey of Eastland, was carjacked by Young from a
neighborhood grocery store and taken hostage as Young and codefendant
David Page headed to Midland to see Young's girlfriend.

But once the group arrived to Midland, Young killed Petrey in an oilfield,
leaving his body there before dropping off Page, who went to police.

Defense attorneys claimed at trial it was Page who pulled the trigger in
the Petrey murder.

Page faces a murder charge for his involvement in the crimes, but not
capital murder, which is the only crime punishable by death.

Young was prosecuted by Schorre and First Assistant District Attorney
Teresa Clingman.

Defense attorney Paul Williams was co-counsel with Cantacuzene.

(source: Midland Reporter-Telegram)
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This absolutely makes me sick to my stomach.... A 19 year old does not even have to knowledge to know how to deal with life. How can our society kill a youth... He can not even drink.... How can we execute him???

I want to throw up..

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I agree with you Donna it makes me sick. He can't vote, can't drink, but can be murdered, by the State.
We need to find out what happened to make a young person like him comitt such a crime.
I don't understand and will never understand how we can do this things.

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Default Re: 19 year old, youngest inmate on Texas Death Row.

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on a chain-linked dog run.
Oh gosh, I can't believe it !!!!

That's sickening !!
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EVEN MORE NAUSEATED NOW...19 YEARS OLD AND WAITING TO BE MURDERED..BY HIS STATE
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I HEAR YOU GUYS LOUD AND CLEAR BUT PLEASE DONT EVER FORGET WHAT HE DID TO GET IN THE POSITION HE IS IN NOW
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I understand why he's on deathrow, JC but he's only 19 years old. He was even younger when he committed the crime. We don't need to kill a child, we need to help him. What's next? I've seen kids on talkshows who are 9 or 10 years old who have stabbed people and tried to kill them, are we supposed to sentence them to death also? They're just kids and true, maybe they know what they did, but we have to understand the reasons why they did it and offer some kind of treatment instead of just killing them.
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With the NIMBY mentality (Not In My Back Yard) of a lot of people in this world, there is no wonder why many believe in the death penalty. Of course most of them have never had a loved one who was incarcerated. Or if they have, I'm sure it wasn't for a crime where they could have received the death penalty. I used to feel that the DP was fitting for a lot of crimes, but now I believe that anybody who has ever had a love one incarcerated could never feel that the death penalty is just. Some cases don't get proper representation, or DNA doesn't get tested or is lost, (Conveniently). So many different cases have been handled so badly, that sometimes I think the entire justice system is a joke.
Many different factors have shown me that while if you do the crime, you have to do the time, I have come to feel that the death penalty is not a deterrent, it is murder.
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I think people at any age should be punished for driving around and killing people, but...punishment should be something else than death. I understand very well people who support killing these young vandals, but I just don't agree with them. It's sad but true, the line have to be drawn somewhere and 19 is old enough to be executed (or sentenced to death). Here in Finland 15 are considered as adults. Ofcourse our sentences are much shorter than yours.
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Maybe we should not just offer punishment. Maybe we should offer help to this men especially to the juveniles? And learn today why they killed - to avoid more murders tomorrow...

And yes, of course my heart goes out to the victims and their families. But can you really ease their pain with an execution???

So young and so lost...poor boy...
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At 19 he is considered an adult. If he makes adult choices to kill not one but two other people, then I fully believe his life should be taken. He has no remorse for human life if he killed 2 other people. And since it was not self defense just pure crulty then I agree with his sentence. 19 or not, he killed 2 people. If he had killed my son, or any friend or family member, then that would be what I want to happen to him.
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You know what really makes me mad. Is we are so quick to execute these young people, Chances are this isn't the first time this young man has been in trouble. Where were we when he was in trouble as a very young man?

I am a Psychologist and I work with Kids at risk. There are very few programs to help these people before they end up on the row. Programs are being cut left and right. But yet here they just approved 1.1 million dollars to build some new wetlands for some birds.

I agree that this kid and others should be punished for their crimes. But we need to stop killing people and find out why the ages and ones coming to the row are younger and younger.
What is causing our young to get out of hand.
I once worked with a 8 year old boy. Who was trying very hard to stay off drugs, get out of a gang and try to get his life right. But when he went home his Mom, wanted him to always party with her. So he was fighting his own demons, but also those of his Moms.

If you think that is unusal for an 8 year old. You are wrong it isn't. The kids I worked with were from 7 years old to 18, most of them being very young. Trying to get parents involved was almost an impossible task.

We need to stop killing them and find out what is going on that makes them react like this. If we just keep killing and not find out why, the killing won't stop.

The human mind is very fragile and it doesn't take much for it to snap. Drugs, torture as a child, that is why there are so many gangs around with what we would think of as babies.

This young man was under 18 when he comitted the crime. And at 19 only in some things is he considered an adult. He can't drink, he can't vote, so his only considered an adult when it is convient.

Killing is never the answer for anyone. Finding out why is the answer.

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I am not for the death penalty, but you gotta look at this from the other side. Does the fact that he's "only 19" make the victims any less dead? Nope.
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Oh my god he's my age
Being 19 too I can only imagine what it must feel like to be condemned at that age. My penpal was also sentenced to the DP at 19 and I find it SICKENING! :fb:

Murder or not, death is not the solution!It will never bring the victims back!

Again it shows you that having the DP in a state doesn't prevent anything!

I hope the case of that boy won't stay pending for years like many others do...

He will be in my prayers

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thats not nice! im actually gonna look him up on the website. i sure hope he does not get murdered by the state of *gag* texas.

he will most deff. be in my prayers. the whole DR info. on the TDCJ just makes me want to be sick. it is so sad.

oh my, i just looked him up on the website. such a shame. but look, life is what you make of it, if you CHOOSE to commit a crime, then you had best be prepared for whatever the punishment should be. he will still be in my prayers. and it is a shame a 19 yr old is on DR..actually he just had a bday last month he is now 20, but i hope he is able to accomplish alot while he is on DR
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Ok y'all listen up! I knew this kid when he was a little boy. He was mean then he had no type of conscience. He hurt animals just to see it suffer and thought it was funny. This when he was 9 years old. His mama wasnt a bad person but his dad and his uncles were as mean or meaner than him. That boy didnt mind telling you he would kill you and laugh in your face while he was saying it. And if you ever looked in his eyes there is nothing there but PURE EVIL! The sad part of all that is hes a good lookin kid! But ask anyone that went to school with him what he was like.
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hi,i was just browsing when i came across this site and found this particular post.i couldnt help but notice the amount of people strongly against this boys punishment.Isnt there an old saying "a life for a life"?has anyone took the time to think how the victims families are feeling?their only justice is to see this boy receive the treatment their loved ones did.he has killed people.surely if he is old enough to kill 2 people then he is old enough to be killed.he is a good looking lad but that doesnt excuse what he has done.here in the uk the death sentence has long been abolished but sometimes theres a majority that wish it still existed.such a heavy punishment could be the only way to put a stop to some of the dreadful crimes in this world today.
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I think as Soft stated "There are few programs to help these people before they're lead to these crimes"..and a sad fact to that also is that even if violent or irrational behavoir is recognized at an early age there are no programs that I have ever heard of funded by the state or the government to get to the bottom of things...to get them the help and rehabilitation they need to get them on a good a direct path...Another example of "Money Talks"...Sad but true...and a majority of these people come from under priviledged and struggeling families.

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i know some people that havent exactly had what you would call a "great"life and their kids arent violent or messed up infact they appreciate the things they do have have in life.everyone on earth knows that it is wrong to kill another or to hurt another,even if their childhood is bad.if you give these offenders to many chances most of them will only take advantage of it and abuse the law again and again.over here in uk the youngest people to serve a life sentence were just 10 and 12 and they got that sentence for brutally killing a 2 year old child.i dread to imagine how the parents of the little boy felt.you may have heard of the case the little boy who was killed was called "james bulgers" they took him away from his mum in an open shopping centre took him to a train track and there they took turns to beat him with stones and rocks till he died.my god what is the world coming to.the boys who were charged with the murder were sentenced to life,and have now been released aged 18 and have lovely houses,new names,protection etc and what have the family of the victim got,nothing but memorys of their little boys short life.to me that is not justice.
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him being mean or not, there is alwasy a cause for that. Kids just dont come out being mean. or evil. For what ever reason, thatboy needs some serouis help
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Wait a minute doesnt that make him like 17 when he commited these crimes? Ho wcan he be excuted? Does killing him make anything any6 better? And if it does for whom does it make it better?

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he can be tried as an adult kellil, they do it in cali ALL the time. and since they are being tried as an adult--they can be tried w/the big boys. if that makes sense? lol

and no, killing him does not make things even better....what i personally think (just me), that when one kills another, it is WRONG, but when the state takes it into it's own hands to kill the accused...it..well..it doesnt make the situation better.

maybe the victims families are looking for some sort of closeure--knowing that the person that killed their family member(s) wont be on this earth anymore.

but id want LWOP.

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well thats exactly what they are doing really isnt it,given the familys of the victims some justice.maybe they should let the familys decide the offenders outcome.i mean if you look at it from their point of veiw,how would you feel if your child was killed,or your husband wife etc??i know exactly how i would feel,id wanna do to them just what they did.this world has to have some justice.some offenders may need help i dont argue with that but there are others that get some kinda sick thrill out of the crimes they commit.another example over here is the myra hindley case you may of heard of her.good catholic girl 18 years old,brought up in a loving home,she started going with a man named ian brady who was also known as a nice young man.not long after meeting they devised evil ways of abducting and murdering little children most under the age of 12.they killed about 7 or 8 children,and buried there bodies in dartmoor moors.2of the childrens bodies have never been found.they also taped the children screaming and took pictures so what kind of punishment should they have got??life?death??help??in my eyes they should have got a death sentence but they got life,which over here is about 25years.that is not justice you can read the full stories here http://www.fortunecity.com/roswell/s...adyhindley.htm http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial4/...moorsindex.htm
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