Do you ever see Richard Ramirez when you visit your husbands at San Quentin? - Page 11

TupeloHoney · #**151** 06-15-2007, 02:08 PM

Welcome Doreen!!!!

Doreen Ramirez · #**152** 06-29-2007, 04:42 AM

First of all, I'd like to thank again all of you kind ladies who extended a warm welcome to me--I appreciate that so much!

Tre's Treasure, you never answered my question. My in-laws are extremely private people. I asked each of my husband's brothers about this, and each one said they would never have shared or allowed their children to share with outsiders the contents of any private letter Richard wrote to any member of his family.

I was under the impression this website was created for the sole purpose of lending support to each other, since we all love someone who is incarcerated. I wonder how anyone else here would feel if someone called their loved one "the worst type of criminal alive" and a "monster." That doesn't sound very supportive to me. If we cannot even show compassion for each other or refrain from calling someone else's loved one terrible names, then how can we possibly expect "the outside world" to be compassionate toward us, our loved ones and the hardships we all encounter on a daily basis?

As I have said publicly many times, if you're not there to visit the warden, then we're all there for the same reason. I cannot even conceive of coming to a message board filled with women, men and children of incarcerated individuals and dare to presume what their life circumstances may be, pass judgment on someone else's situation or disrespect someone else's loved one. Again, if we cannot even offer respect to each other, how can we hope to be respected by those who would judge us?

Ravenslove · #**153** 06-29-2007, 04:54 AM

My answer to the thread is no I have never seen Richard Ramirez, Because I don't visit there. Now that being said I want to welcome Doreen and tell her that most of us try and support all family here. I am sorry that there are some who feel it necessary to keep making comments. I don't remember Doreen ever being convicted of something. Welcome to PTO

Peace

**sidewalker** · #**154** 06-29-2007, 06:53 AM

Im very sorry that some have not been very welcoming or compassionate, Doreen.
What you say is true, about not being there to visit the warden.
Anyway, I hope you can get any and all the support you need from this site as that is its stated purpose.
Welcome.

**shaa** · #**155** 06-29-2007, 08:18 AM

Doreen I think I have said it earlier but I will say it again, welcome to PTO. I also agree with you that people are here for the support and not for our guys to be called names or for others to be rude to us or our guys. I hope you can just look past those few that do this and let the rest of us be here to help support you like we support everyone else. I hope to see you posting more often and getting to know us. There are some really great gals on this site and I am sure if you get to know them you would agree.

Doreen Ramirez · #**156** 06-29-2007, 11:09 AM

Thanks, ladies! Each one of us knows precisely what it means to love someone in prison, and we need to stick together! Thank you again for showing me how wonderful you all are!

cathy100 · #**157** 06-29-2007, 11:30 AM

Doreen.....well said! i just read the post you are referring to, unbelievable!

Carmelbabie22 · #**158** 06-29-2007, 01:59 PM

Doreen Im sorry bout everyone putting your man down I would be mad if it was about my hubby dont let anyone on here get to you like you said we are all on here for the same reason how would they feel if it was there husband or boy freind or family member that you were talking about they would be upset everyone should respect the men that is in there and respect there loved ones and not bad mouth anyone I hope you have a good day

RoseMateo51 · #**159** 06-29-2007, 10:51 PM

Hi Doreen....welcome, I saw youa few months back but didn't want to intrude on your privacy as I have never been introduced to you.

JimmysonlyGirl · #**160** 06-30-2007, 06:31 AM

doreen my man is considered a monster too 1st degree murder of his best friend so I know what your talking about and this is the one place we can come for support. But like everywhere there are bad apples just ignore them and if you don't give them attention they will go away.

Carmelbabie22 · #**161** 06-30-2007, 10:34 AM

Jimyysonlygirl well said i agree doreen dont pay attention like you said we are all here for a reason all of our men have made mistakes so sense they made mistakes and hurt people that they love or even people they dont know that doesnt make them monsters that makes them human everyone makes mistakes and no one in here has the right to bad mouth other peoples family members husbands or boyfreinds like i said how would they feel if you posted something up about there loved ones and called them a monster they wouldnt like it everyone just needs to respect the people in there because for them being in there it takes alot of strength san quentin isnt a nice place everyone respect the men in there I know im proud of my hubby for standing tall and being a man and having strength

KARMA1234 · #**162** 06-30-2007, 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Carmelbabie22

Jimyysonlygirl well said i agree doreen dont pay attention like you said we are all here for a reason all of our men have made mistakes so sense they made mistakes and hurt people that they love or even people they dont know that doesnt make them monsters that makes them human everyone makes mistakes and no one in here has the right to bad mouth other peoples family members husbands or boyfreinds like i said how would they feel if you posted something up about there loved ones and called them a monster they wouldnt like it everyone just needs to respect the people in there because for them being in there it takes alot of strength san quentin isnt a nice place everyone respect the men in there I know im proud of my hubby for standing tall and being a man and having strength

I resent you putting my man in any other category then a NON VIOLENT offender!! PERIOD!!!! There is a hell of a lot of difference between what a lot of people's loved ones have done then some others referred to as monsters!! A HUGE FREAKING DIFFERENCE!! yes, they are all inside or have been , but no they are most certainly not the same!! EVER!! i CAOULD NOT AND WOULDNT NOT STAND BESIDE my man had he commit horrific crimes! I choose , sucah as everyone else, who and what i CAN HONOESTLY SUPPORT. I feel that anyone who CHOOSEs TO ASSOCIATE themselves with a high profile serial murderer probably understands the consequences that come with that decision. I am not passing judgement on anyone, however do NOT lump my inmate into a general catagory at any time!
Thank you ./..... KARMA

Carmelbabie22 · #**163** 06-30-2007, 12:38 PM

I wasnt putting it in a bad way i was saying that everyone in there has hurt someone ether by getting into trouble or hurting some one like richerd did im here because my hubby made a wrong choice and was in a high speed chase because he though he had a warrent for parole violation which he didnt and he ran for nothing but at the end of it all he hurt people he hurt his self and people he loved that what i was talking about

Doreen Ramirez · #**164** 07-02-2007, 01:51 AM

No one is saying that all of the men are the same or that the reasons they are where they are, are the same. What I said was, we are all in the same boat because we love someone in prison. Period. And it doesn't matter whether someone's husband killed 500 people or merely violated parole--it is still wrong to come to a prison-support message board and call names and cast stones and make any woman who has given her heart to ANY man in prison feel somehow inferior or less worthy of support. It doesn't work that way.

**sidewalker** · #**165** 07-02-2007, 06:56 AM

agreed, Doreen.
Its a support board. Im not supporting the things my husband has done.
But I love him anyway.
Im here for that. We all love, or care about someone who has made horrible choices or gotten a raw deal or a combo of things.....
Much of society dosnt get that.
You would think everyone HERE WOULD.