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Old 09-05-2017, 10:09 AM
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This happens all the time.

It seems like nobody should even think about doing it if they want to get along with the people they can't get away from.

So is this one of the "never do it" things in inmate etiquette?

What (if anything!) can an inmate do if somebody's outside friend Googles him and it turns out he's a sex offender or former law enforcement officer? How does the answer change depending on the security level where he's staying?

Does the inmate just ride it out, try to explain, what?

Bernard Kerik didn't report having any trouble in minimum security having been a cop and a warden, but that was a special case. He kept having inmates come up and thank him for his leadership on 9/11 in fact.
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There's not much you can do, other than try to spin your story to minimize the nature of your history.

For the vast majority of prisoners in there, having others know "what you're in for" is no big deal -- rather, it's something to wear as a "badge of honor" and brag about even, as so many convicts do. So it's only really a problem in cases where you don't have a "solid" crime (like sex offender) or some other circumstance (like ex-cop or informant) where you'd rather others not know.

Keep in mind that prisoners have nothing but time on their hands in there. And they love to gossip. Anything to create drama and try to make things less dull or more exciting in there, as sadistic as the motivations may be.

Practicing good etiquette and keeping a low profile helps to not become the brunt of conversation. But if one ever is and has something to hide, all they can do is try to craft a clever cover story (fake rap) and hope it's convincing enough for others not to want to dig much further. Or at least admit what their actual conviction is for (so they are being honest about that at least, since others can so easily check), but try to downplay it or explain it away somehow to make it not seem so bad. I've seen both strategies work, and allow people to still walk the line in GP without having to PC up.
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What (if anything!) can an inmate do if somebody's outside friend Googles him and it turns out he's a sex offender or former law enforcement officer? How does the answer change depending on the security level where he's staying?

Does the inmate just ride it out, try to explain, what?

Bernard Kerik didn't report having any trouble in minimum security having been a cop and a warden, but that was a special case. He kept having inmates come up and thank him for his leadership on 9/11 in fact.
Nickle Timer was totally on point with his response. And the only thing I would add is that it really depends on the PERSON not the prison or the situation. I've known numerous cops in prison, as well as sex-offenders by the score, who simply did fine - they didn't go into the gory details of what they did. Some folks may not have liked them, and maybe they weren't welcome at every table in the chow hall, but it they comported themselves with respect - they were almost always left alone.

If someone has a super high-profile crime there may be issues, but for the run of the mill person - folks will get bored and just leave them alone. The trouble comes when some of these folks try to compensate somehow and portray themselves as "bad-asses", which pretty much never works.

Now that almost every State has their inmate population "online", it's easier than ever to look someone up. I saw a Dateline episode last night and looked up the guy who was "featured" in the Florida database just because I wanted to see what looked like now, and where he was housed.
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I agree this could cause problems for such an inmate but frankly when my husband asked me to look up someone I did. He never asked to use any information I found for any evil purposes. I did this for him once and the guy was happy as he ended up appealing his sentence and winning. So not all inmates use this information for bad things.
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I do this for my husband several times a week. Only because there are certain people he would rather not be friendly with. He doesn't do anything to these people but he does not associate with them.
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Dee frequently asked me to look up info when she got a new cell mate, particularly if they were not forthcoming about what they were locked up for. In cases where the crime was a child crime she wanted to know circumstances because being cell'd up with someone who was in for that could potentially put her in danger if other inmates decided they wanted to "take matters into their own hands." The result was usually that she would get moved out of the cell to another cell.

Despite her problems, Dee earned a reputation as a non-violent caretaker so there were also times when she would be deliberately housed with certain inmates because there wasn't enough to warrant PC but staff had concerns. There was a stretch of about a year where most of her bunk mates were pregnant. Once they delivered, they were moved out of the cell and the next one moved in. I actually liked this because officers bothered Dee a lot less when she had these bunkies and it also put her in a position to avoid drug use (since her cell mates were not using.)

I will say....she definitely got housed with some interesting ones, including a couple who's crimes made for some interesting press (one was known as the "Granny Bandit"....I actually received a letter from her one time saying Dee was always talking about me, how she worried about Dee but felt that as long as I was in her life she would be okay....very nurturing for a 60 year old woman who robbed people at knife point in parking lots.....) and one bunk mate, for lack of a better way of putting it, was the criminal reincarnation of Lorena Bobbit.

Different inmates have their reasons for wanting information. Some do mean harm. Some just want to be able to watch their own back.
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You know, this forum is probably the only place in the world I could get this many informed thoughtful answers. Thank you to everyone.
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I have never been asked but I am a curious cat....or nosy Rosie . There are just some people during visitation that catch my eye and I am curious as to why they are there. If I can get a good look at their name tag and happen to remember the name, I will look them up out of curiosity and then move on.
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I do this for my husband several times a week. Only because there are certain people he would rather not be friendly with. He doesn't do anything to these people but he does not associate with them.


Same here, he wants to know about new guys in his dorm....
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Same here, he wants to know about new guys in his dorm....
Mine to. He wants to know all their charges because you never know who to believe. For instance a new guy came a week ago. He told them what seemed like an elaborate story about what he did. Mind you this guy is 19. And received 20 years. No One believed him until I looked him up. Yikes. Was all true. Because you never know who or what your dealing with.
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I wouldn't believe a word out of Kerik's mouth.
I believe Scott, though, and he knew more than one ex-cop who got along OK on the inside.
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no iv never been asked and would never check up about someone either my man just asks to see a guys paperwork if hes suspicious about him
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The institutions where I have been never had no problem finding out about an inmate right from the inside. You either produce your paper work. OR there is always someone working in R.R. or a Lt. clerk that could find everything out on you . Even when the stopped putting the R- suffix behind their number. You can't hide your past you just better know how to explain your situation.
Seen a lot of guys in on rape beefs that once you read the paper work. It was just some ones dad putting the pressure on the girl. Seen a number of them that were 19 and the girl was 17. It was all good until they got caught in bed together by mom or dad, or end up with a baby bump Plus at the time if you were busted for peeing in public (indecent exposure It is in you record)
has to register as a sex offender. Everything isn't always how it looks at first
There is plenty of things that have to be cleared up on some matters but the only person who can clear these things up is the person their self plenty of speculation goes on when you get Fish in. Sometimes it just how they look and the rumor mill gets them a bad jacket
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I have been curious and looked up a couple of my husbands friends only because I have interacted with them at visits and shook their hands. My hubby laughs when I told him and assured me he would never introduce me to any weirdos.
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I think it's fine as it's public record!!! If someone is convicted of a crime and in general pop everyone generally knows what they are in for.
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The facility my hub was at in CA......we had to sit across from eachother.
Talking between other visitors? I didnt really do that, other than simple exchanges.


As to looking up other inmates?
Hell no. I wouldnt do that.
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Mine to. He wants to know all their charges because you never know who to believe. For instance a new guy came a week ago. He told them what seemed like an elaborate story about what he did. Mind you this guy is 19. And received 20 years. No One believed him until I looked him up. Yikes. Was all true. Because you never know who or what your dealing with.
Your right in one part that you never know who or what your dealing with. My husband just needed to know for other reasons not to find out what someone was in for, generally he minded his business. He never asked anyone and most people once in prison learn not to mind anyone elses business. maybe that's why my husband was minimum security as he never had fights and stayed away from all trouble.
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i never Was asked to look anything up, but when he paroled he did and waited for some calls..... There are inmates getting out everyday they check the internet wait for a call from the fellas inside and give them the info. its not hard to get the information.
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I think it depends on the location, what information was found, and how the the people that you run with feel about you. In this small fraternal atmosphere, emotions and judgements can run high. I was at a Federal Low, I witnessed people being found out for being having snitched and and having sex offenses. Most times, the inmate would be pressured by their own people to check out immediately and be sitting outside the LT's office where their head down and knees shaking. But I saw other times where they would just move them from one table in chow hall to another and other times when I know they were "taken care of". Different races deal with their people differently, and different leaders run different policies and practices.
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Yep, I'd say this is pretty normal as far as inmate requests go. I ran inmate outreach for years and honestly, I looked everyone up! EVERYONE! So now it's kind of habit when I hear from friends or family about the new guy they are with. I have a brother on the outside who always contacts me when he's trying to find someone or see what someone has been picked up on.

Now...whether or not you trust your loved one with the information you find as to not do something stupid...that's a different question. Most states I've dealt with people either show their papers or they leave...no choice.
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Finding out what someone is locked up for is common practice in prison. You have to know what you are dealing with while you are locked up.

Regardless of whether you are minding your business and just doing your time, you sometimes get what is commonly referred to as guilt by association.

If you are rooming or celling with someone who is a sex offender, particularly a child related sex offender, organizations AKA gangs don't want these people on general populations camps.

It's common practice that someone from that kliq or group will bring it to your attention and tell you to take care of it.

Here is Missouri it is a hate crime to discriminate, harass, assault, or extort someone who is a sex offender. When they say take care of it, basically you have to tell the person they need to go to protective custody aka admin segregation.

Unfortunately whether you want to be involved in prison politics or not, you have no choice when it comes to the nature of someone's criminal charge, particularly sex offenders.

It doesn't matter whether they have changed, act like a normal person, or are someone you really get along with or like. Sex offenders have no place in general population in a prison setting. They have to go to PC and check in or get extorted, beat up, raped, etc.

It's just the code.

The information is very easy to obtain and you don't have to have outside folks do it. Inmate workers issue you your clothes when you hit recieving and processing at a camp, they are going to see your paperwork and they know what you are there for. That information will be passed on to organizations, kliqs, and gangs accordingly.

The bottom line is that someone will know what you are there for, lying about it is only going to make it worse.

In prison, your business sadly is everyone's business.
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