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The War on Drugs - and the results of it A war against drugs, or against families?

View Poll Results: Do you think the that first-time felon drug charges should be thrown in prison?
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Old 09-12-2016, 06:35 PM
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No matter what you are charged with it is all about money.if you are poor you will do the time plus someone else's time.there is no justice any more.
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Maybe I am being stubborn headed. I tend to be stubborn quite often. I honestly can't speak for every situation. But I think that the legal system is totally screwed up. It just makes me sick that in order for someone to get to avoid prison is by having money. It's BS. My husband has been one of the best dads. I didn't have my dad growing up. And I was so thankful that my kids weren't gonna have to go through the same as me. But now they will. They are 3 and 1 and I am going to have to look them in their eyes everyday and tell them that Daddy won't be home for a long time... mommy doesn't know when he gets to come home.... they are so young they can't understand that shit. It's gonna be hard enough on me while he's gone, and having to see my children hurt and miss their daddy is gonna make it even harder.

I do know that everything happens for a reason. This whole thing is just really hard to accept.

My husband is a good man. We are all human and we make mistakes and I don't think it's fair that his cost our whole family so much. It's just inconcievable. Who would have ever thought we'd be where we are today. Any person that knows my husband will tell you he is a good man. He has given the last dime in his pocket to his family, mother, dad, sisters... even his close friends. He would do anything to help anyone and it just eats me up that this is happening.

He on the other hand, is handling this thing so great. He is very positive and says that something good will come from it. He said that we can both be damn sure our kids won't ever be in this situation because they will know about what happened with him. They will be aware of what happens when you do things you shouldn't. They will learn from his mistake and won't have to make the same mistake that he did. He is a damn good father. And we are going to do everything so that the kids can bond with him. It's gonna be tough because I'm gonna be broke as you know what. Hopefully he'll get sent somewhere close.

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I gotta get going....
Be careful in thinking that. I'm raising my grandson, whose father is a habitual drug offender and is currently in local jail waiting for a bed in a rehab facility. Both have ADHD. My grandson just sold some of his medication and now were waiting on his court date. They are the only 2 offenders in the family everyone else is law abiding working contributing members and the child has been brought up that way. He has the perfect example of what not to do and done it anyway. I'm at a loss, ready to give up and walk away from him. I'm too old to go through all that I did with my son. Feeling hopeless and a complete failure myself. Good luck, hope it works out for you with your kids
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Old 11-19-2016, 07:26 AM
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I think someone should start a petition on first-time drug charges going to prison. I think that some people get into more trouble than they could have expected.

They should be given an automatic chance on probation with some type of class that has to be taken as well, instead of being thrown in prison for 2-10 years or more!

If you agree please post here. If you know anything about trying to change the law in US please let me know!

I am in Texas!
Petitions are no good for changing the law. Your state legislators need to change the law and you need to vote for them. Every state is different so it has to be done state by state. And if you're convicted of a felony. You don't get to vote anymore
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Petitions are no good for changing the law. Your state legislators need to change the law and you need to vote for them. Every state is different so it has to be done state by state. And if you're convicted of a felony. You don't get to vote anymore
That varies state to state, with many states allowing felons vote. I'm a felon, I'm also a registered voter and do vote. I believe its Oregon that allows inmates to vote.

But you are right....we need to research each candidates position on criminal justice reform, drug law reform etc etc and vote accordingly.

Addiction is a disease and should be treated as such rather punished.
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All I know is that God turns the evil for good and that means that any evil performed to one or one's family or whomever, God will take that evil and make something good come out of it.
But keep in mind too, there are always consequences to our actions which is the best thing to teach our children. Too bad, I didn't realize this sooner in my life to share it with my son who is paying time. God bless the judge who is merciful and gave him a short stent.
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That varies state to state, with many states allowing felons vote. I'm a felon, I'm also a registered voter and do vote. I believe its Oregon that allows inmates to vote.

But you are right....we need to research each candidates position on criminal justice reform, drug law reform etc etc and vote accordingly.

Addiction is a disease and should be treated as such rather punished.
Not just legislators, but prosecutors, if it's an elected position.

I've just been learning about how to lobby state legislatures. You can make things happen in between elections. There are things more powerful than voting.

State legislators who like to keep their jobs will meet constituents who ask. Heck, when I sent an interesting email mine invited me in for a meeting.

All will take phone calls. Calls about something that's about to happen, like a vote on a drug law reform bill, are the most powerful. Give them a compelling personal story. Facts and numbers they can get from their staff. Real life stories stick in their minds.

Imagine State Senator Smith sitting in his office. He's already forgotten that he made some "tough on crime" speeches in his campaign. Now there's three people from his district in his office. One of them is talking about how he had to go through high school with his mother locked up three hundred miles away on a nonviolent first offense, unable even to call him because the family couldn't afford extortionate phone charges. What is Senator Smith going to do about the next bill to allow community custody? The next bill to repeal mandatory minimums? To set up drug courts? Especially if the people in the office say "we have 80 people on our mailing list"?

Even if he remembers his "tough on crime" speech he knows that most of the people who heard it don't even show up to vote and most of the rest didn't really care either way.

If you can find a group already on the job then find out how to help them. Legislators know that an organization means more than one vote. Without votes they're unemployed and they know it.
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The best way to present this to anyone elected or running for election, in my view, is to say that this is one of the few areas of public policy where we could spend a lot less money and get better results. Many states in the US have started to reduce jail populations, although even so they remain ridiculously high, for this reason. There is a lot of evidence showing that spending time in jail does not reduce subsequent crime, and may actually increase it. It's far cheaper and more effective to supervise people in the community, unless they are truly dangerous. Everyone in public office understands that finding ways to spend less money is a good thing, and this is an area in which there could be huge savings. For those interested, various reform organizations in the US have some great 'quick facts' and infographics to help make the case. Pew Charitable Trusts, Vera Institute and The Sentencing Project are some good places to start.
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My son was charged with a drug offense and they are not willing to offer him probation. He has told the court he is an addict and has asked for rehab. This is his very first charge. He goes to court to open plea on the 12th. I am scared to death
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I think someone should start a petition on first-time drug charges going to prison. I think that some people get into more trouble than they could have expected.

They should be given an automatic chance on probation with some type of class that has to be taken as well, instead of being thrown in prison for 2-10 years or more!

If you agree please post here. If you know anything about trying to change the law in US please let me know!

I am in Texas!
I am in Texas too and I totally agree
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If you want to change the law in Texas, here are some resources about talking to the legislature.

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/04...texas-capitol/
https://www.texastribune.org/2017/03...texas-capitol/
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I really don't think, for simple possession, anyone should be thrown in prison for any drug. I believe in 100% decriminalization and programs designed at stamping out addiction. Not programs designed to punish the sick.
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Oregon Makes Drug Possession a Misdemeanor, Aug 15 2017
"A bill signed by Oregon Gov. Kate Brown on Tuesday makes personal-use possession of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs a misdemeanor, not a felony. Oregon joined just a handful of other U.S. states in defelonizing drugs under the new law, which was supported by law enforcement groups and takes effect immediately"
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Oregon Makes Drug Possession a Misdemeanor, Aug 15 2017
"A bill signed by Oregon Gov. Kate Brown on Tuesday makes personal-use possession of cocaine, heroin, methamphetamine and other drugs a misdemeanor, not a felony. Oregon joined just a handful of other U.S. states in defelonizing drugs under the new law, which was supported by law enforcement groups and takes effect immediately"
OMG this is great I am not advocating for drugs but drug addicts should not be punished they should be helped. I wish this was national. It makes me sick that each state and counties can do whatever they want. Heck I live in a dry town!!LOL
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For me My first time offense got me sentenced to 5 years 3 months (later reduced to 51 months) . Yes I got caught selling meth as that is where my addiction took me to make money. But I will say that if I had got probation or even a shorter sentence I would probably be dead or back in on new charges. I realize that many people don't use their prison time to make lasting life changes but I believe that it saved my life. And by the way selling anything but Marijuana is very damaging crime. While people say well if i don't sell it someone else will that doesnt make it right or less harmful. I see all the justifications in the world "oh I don't sell to people with kids" or this and that to try and make themselves feel better. At the end of the day once its sold u have no control over where it goes or who's life it destroys. Kids going hungry and getting nothing for xmas on every block in even the smallest of towns cause mom or dad a junkie. Trading off the family food stamps or returning the xmas presents to wal mart a week later. I feel bad about selling the drugs I sold but that's rare most people still have the mentality even after getting locked up that "well if I didn't do it someone else would". Do I like living pretty much pay check to paycheck with only a lil bit left over, Hell No i dont. Not when i know If i wanted to could make what i make in a month in a day or two. But I'm comfortable and Im not looking over my shoulder wondering when the cops coming.
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That was from the heart. Please understand my questions come from wanting to make an informed opinion, not because I'm arguing.

Could you have succeeded in breaking your addiction some other way? Like maybe a locked ward at a hospital or a change of location?

If prison was the only way, then why did it work for you, given how easy it is to get drugs in prisons? Was it the shock value, or the structured life, or something else?
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That was from the heart. Please understand my questions come from wanting to make an informed opinion, not because I'm arguing.

Could you have succeeded in breaking your addiction some other way? Like maybe a locked ward at a hospital or a change of location?

If prison was the only way, then why did it work for you, given how easy it is to get drugs in prisons? Was it the shock value, or the structured life, or something else?
I had been to detox 3 times, rehab twice, and the methadone clinic. None of which worked for me, I had been using since 13 and I was 28 by the time i got locked up. So 15 years of using, and it also happened to be in the critical years where you are supposed to learn to cope with stress and anxiety.

Anyways I can't say nothing would have worked but i was pretty determined i was gonna be an addict for life. I didn't want to quit or see a way out. Which is crazy considering how I was living at the end of my run.

And I did use for the first almost year I was locked up. Then i got put in the hole for 11 months. At the end of the 11 months was the first time I had felt normal without drugs for as long as I can remember.

After that I was transferred and then later started RDAP which I think if used to its full potential is a great program. I know this isn't the answer for everybody though as I've seen people that go right back out and use. I just know it worked for me. And No I do not believe it was the shock value because even after the first year or more i thought there was no chance i wouldnt use when i went back to the street. It took a long stretch in the hole to feel normal, then just time, Not gonna lie after the hole time I was still getting random UA about once or twice a month, so i guess if you consider that structure then that helped. Then the RDAP program.

I honestly don't know the answer to getting clean but I know it worked for me, Also that is probably an extreme case. I don't guess everyone needs that. But I'm willing to bet there isn't anyone i went to rehab or detox with who is still clean.

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Thank you for answering.

I respect your courage, by the way.
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