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http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/poli...213026379.html

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The Department of Health and Human Services will visit Fort Bliss, a sprawling Army base near El Paso in the coming weeks to look at a parcel of land where the administration is considering building a tent city to hold between 1,000 and 5,000 children, according to U.S. officials and other sources familiar with the plans.
“Considering”, so far, nothing definite. But apparently they're running out of space in facilities like this one:
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They can use the WWII interment camps for a blueprint.

Joe Arpiao was overjoyed when the temperature in his Arizona prison tents reached 140 degrees Fahrenheit. Now he is running for US Congress after finally being run off as Sheriff, so maybe he will be put in charge of setting up the children's tent cities if he wins the election.
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TBH... it probably won’t be any worse than wherever they came from. Luxury accommodations? No, but I’m not all that interested in making entering the USA illegally a comfortable and enjoyable experience.
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I hardly think a child separated from parent(s) is enjoyable, or enjoying things at all.
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TBH... it probably won’t be any worse than wherever they came from. Luxury accommodations? No, but I’m not all that interested in making entering the USA illegally a comfortable and enjoyable experience.


No one's talking "comfortable and enjoyable," we're talking children. Young, innocent, impressionable human beings. They are not miniature adults. What they are are deserving of being treated, at the very least, humanly, with compassion & dignity. Children need love to flourish, they just do

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....and now this:

Reporters Allowed Inside Trump Immigration Facility For Children

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A small group of reporters were finally allowed inside a former Wal-Mart that’s been converted into a facility to house children who’ve been detained crossing the border in Texas. Called Casa Padre, it currently houses nearly 1500 boys who spend up to 22 hours a day inside the building...
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Well, I guess all those shuttered Walmart stores are useful for something.
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Looked a lot better then any jail or prison I've ever seen and again they are here illegally!!!
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And all the closed Sam's Club. Hell just in the tiny town I live there's a huge Target, Sam's Club, Sports Authority, Old Navy....all sitting empty.
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Taking children away from their parents and locking them in cages - is this for real? What is comfortable and enjoyable about that?
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I agree with you. So leave them home if you want to try to enter a country illegally. It’s one thing to put your own self in danger.

I get it... “better life” and whatnot but that’s such an eye-roller for me. If you can’t love and provide for your kids where you are, go somewhere else... legally... then have your children.

Humans in general need to get the f over this antiquated idea that we need to be reproducing at breakneck speed. There’s enough kids in the world. If we diverted a little “war on drugs” money into a “war on pregnancy” we could put an IUD into every uterus on the planet and slow things down for 10 years. But I digress.

I am hoping if word gets back to the originating countries that things aren’t going to be fun when they get here, people will think again about crossing the border illegally with children.
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If you can’t love and provide for your kids where you are, go somewhere else... legally... then have your children.
Because we still parse immigration percentages out as flat numbers, the wait from countries with lower emigration, population and poverty rates (and higher distance between country of origin to US) mean a wait for citizenship on an average of 2-5 years. But from countries with higher population and poverty rates and closer proximity to the US, aka Mexico/Central/South America, the wait can range from 5-20 years making the concept of move and then procreate unrealistic.

I'm in agreement that lower population rates world wide could benefit some, but not all. A quick look at the problematic burden the Baby Boom has placed on the smaller tax-paying workforce in the US is an example of Issues in Downsizing. The other would be breaching personal choice in a very personal way. I'm childless and it was my choice. But I would never force anyone else to make the same decision. Yet another been-there-done-that in history I don't see anyone keen to repeat. Off the top of my head I can't recall what county offered this, but there was a thread here about a jurisdiction offering free sterilization for men and IUD implants for the incarcerated with the carrot of reduced sentencing. The Pandora's box of issues that arose from that were enormous, the least of which being that it incentivized what could potentially be a permanent choice for people in a very temporary situation instead of addressing the underlying cause of their incarceration.

The same could be said for immigration. We're labeling them criminals first, human beings second. No one packs up their small children, risks life and limb, and all financial security, because they have a leaky roof. Believe me, teaching ESL-- and I can assume you've taught immigrants, as well, I've had many many conversations with my students from the list of countries disproportionately targeted by immigration policy and none of them see the US as a veritable jackpot. We're just not that cool anymore. But we don't yet have military police disappearing massive numbers of people or political wars just outside our doorway (I realize that one is arguable). The reality of the US isn't lost on these folks. But a log is better than drowning, a raft is better than a log. It's human nature to attempt survival.
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No one packs up their small children, risks life and limb, and all financial security, because they have a leaky roof. [...] But we don't yet have military police disappearing massive numbers of people or political wars just outside our doorway (I realize that one is arguable). The reality of the US isn't lost on these folks. But a log is better than drowning, a raft is better than a log. It's human nature to attempt survival.
What I mean by this can be seen in our own (first world) country. Let's look at Detroit, a city plagued for decades by financial hardship and violence. Last year there were 267 criminal homicides, 7% unemployment rate (bearing in mind unemployment stats paint an unrealistic picture because they only account for those actively looking for work and not those thrust into joblessness because of circumstance like disability or long term illness, exiting incarceration, family needs like caregiving) and some of the lowest ranking schools in the nation.

If you're a parent in Detroit living paycheck to paycheck, utilizing services as best you can and still not covering all your basic needs, where is the money you're saving in order to pay to move you and your family to a better life? They can, and do, become stuck in a cycle of poverty that holds them to that area.

Could that 17 year old choose to not have children, do well in school, apply for scholarships, be fortunate enough to have fully funded education and boarding for college, network like hell while studying and land a job that affords him-- a single young man, the ability to move away? Maybe. But the odds are incredibly stacked against him and that's one kid out of how many in a community?

And if we can understand how difficult an issue this is to address in our own country, why then are we so miserly with empathy for those in other places?
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I agree with you. So leave them home if you want to try to enter a country illegally. It’s one thing to put your own self in danger.

I get it... “better life” and whatnot but that’s such an eye-roller for me. If you can’t love and provide for your kids where you are, go somewhere else... legally... then have your children.

Humans in general need to get the f over this antiquated idea that we need to be reproducing at breakneck speed. There’s enough kids in the world. If we diverted a little “war on drugs” money into a “war on pregnancy” we could put an IUD into every uterus on the planet and slow things down for 10 years. But I digress.

I am hoping if word gets back to the originating countries that things aren’t going to be fun when they get here, people will think again about crossing the border illegally with children.

Circumstances can change in any country at any time, at the drop of a hat....overnight one could go from productive and happily minding one's own business, family and children to homeless, beaten and/or robbed of all your possessions. Could be a storm. Could be a coup, change in leadership. Bottom line: Children are the innocents. We have a process for requesting asylum that is being intentionally ignored while stealing children from the arms of their family. *Heavy Sigh*


And the “war on pregnancy” was being addressed....ask what happened to the funding / aid? Even in our our country women's reproduction issues are being dictated by the old white men currently in office.


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Maybe they could repurpose that big ark thing in Kentucky.

I think everyone who was going to go to that has already gone
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Attorney General Jeff Sessions used a Bible verse Thursday to defend his department’s policy of prosecuting everyone who crosses the border from Mexico, suggesting that God supports the government in separating immigrant parents from their children.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...rant-families/

And there we have it. The "holy stamp of approval."

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Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III: yet another old white man that has probably never read the Constitution, or believes that he and his kind (old, rich & white) are exempt. Hey! Why don't we put the current administration in that big ark thingy in Kentucky Kentucky's governor (asshat matt bevin) can join them. Perhaps we can even have a send-off for the whole lot of them - a 3 day cruise, Gilligan style
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If i had a way out of the corner i live in, legal or not, i would have packed my bags long ago and got out. we have zimbabwians, nigerians, and every other nationality pouring into South Africa, and we dont treat them like this. Its just as difficult being white and born here. Yes we deport some, but we dont treat them like this.
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it appears that even Sessions own church disagrees with him
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0783ae128f90d
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https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...b0783ae128f90d
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"It’s not surprising that slave traders tore children away from their parents and tried to justify it with the Bible. Or that Nazis tore children away from their parents and tried to justify it with the Bible. Sessions follows the pattern of history,” he said. “What’s chilling is to think that we again live in such morally deranged times.”

I am British and Europe has issues with mass immigration. We have refuguees fleeing from war in the middle east and we have economic migrants trying to get to Europe from Africa and Asia looking for work and a better life.
There is no land border to cross so the migrants depend on traffickers to get them onto boats (often un sea worthy) and set sail from the African coast. Many sink and the occupants drown. Those that do make it are then in camps or try and make to the richer countries in northern Europe who were until recently accepting any who arrived.

However the Uk, was not accepting migrants other than agreed EU quotas and the sight of hundreds of thousands of migrants heading to towards northern Europe had a part to play in the UK Brexit vote to leave Europe.

There is a lot of resentment and fear, but I have not seen any families being separated or children being put in cages away from their parents.

I feel heart broken when I see children behind bars, and no amount of they shouldnt come here, there parents are criminals or I am a tax payer will change my mind.

All their parents have done is "break immigration law by crossing a border",
Most of us have loved ones who have broken the law in some way and are paying the penalty for that. However our children are not being punished for the adults crimes by being locked in cages and I cant imagine any of us would say that would be ok.

So is it ok for them? Let the adults face the penalty of breaking the law but not locking up and separating the children that is more inhumane and cruel than ever necessary.
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Part of the problem is for me.......I cant figure out what the hell is going on.
Its confusing to me.


I thought it was ok to come to the border to ask for asylum.
Then I hear they are doing the same thing to those folks (separating children from parents)


Ive heard several attnys speak on the radio about what is going on. They all say something different.
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Sessions and his ilk don't really care what the Bible says, just what they think/want it to say. Where does the Bible say that domestic and gang violence do not qualify for asylum?
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Ah, the trick to asking for asylum is that you have to get into the country or an embassy to be able to do it. So the Border Patrol are now standing on the bridges and turning people away before they can apply. Then, when they try to get into the country through an unapproved route they have broken the law. Now you can apply all the negative procedures! Ta-da!!!!

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All 300+ millions of us, except for Native Americans, were at one time an immigrant themselves, or they are descended from immigrants, Trump and Sessions included. I wonder how they would treat their ancestors if they were arriving now? Probably the same way since much of their "tough on everyone but me" is just nastiness anyway.
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