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Old 01-09-2018, 11:19 PM
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I knew perfectly well the meaning of the verb "curtail", thank you very much.
You knew but asked anyway.

I can see it was error attempting to alleviate needless worry over some left wing report about something that will never happen.

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I have only asked what it means in the sense of how it is supposed to be interpreted in this particular context, not in the sense that I had absolutely no idea what it generally means. I'm a little curious whether you really took my question literally or you just pretended to.

At what point can one say that access is curtailed, or curtailed more than the law might allow, or, on the contrary, that sufficient access is allowed? You cannot say that anything but 100% is unacceptable. Had I really needed the dictionary meaning of a word, I would have looked it up without your help. You may have noticed that I did, in fact, look at the court case you have mentioned.

The idea itself (that access will not be curtailed) may very well come from a reliable source. It may also be expressed in other words. I would really appreciate it if you actually let us know where exactly you got it from. I'm not even saying that it is right or wrong. I would just like to know where you found it. If you are going to say that in that court case, please let us know where exactly.

I wouldn't be so quick to assume that this thread is about something that will never happen. Unfortunately, policy decisions don't always make sense. It may not last for a long time, for example, especially if you are right about why this is not supposed to happen, but I can perfectly imagine a bureaucracy trying to do something exactly like that.

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Reading material is constitutionally protected. Period.
But the right to personal possessions in prison is not. And that is what we're actually discussing-- the right of an inmate to seek specific reading material within the current guidelines for personal possession. That is being limited.

Of course they'll still have access to the prison run library, perhaps as others have mentioned they have access to a phenomenal system of lending libraries. But that isn't the same as a possessing reading material as personal property and in that way it does limit their access.

Splitting hairs? Perhaps. I still think it's worth paying attention to.
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In the federal prison system all Chapel libraries were ordered to be padlocked over the 911 paranoia, and access to prison and/or outside libraries was limited. The courts eventually overturned the ban, but the bop still removed many religious books that had been available forever.
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Yes, and those are the kiosks I'm talking about that many prison systems have in place already.

They are run by vendors like JPay, where you can not only e-mail but also buy and download music to your personal tablets through those kiosks as well.

See: http://www.jpay.com/pmusic.aspx
Here in South Carolina, they have the kiosk but the prison administration limits what they have access to. I've seen many speak of tablets and media players but here, they're still selling radios because the current devices are not allowed.
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FYI...NY has always had restrictions inmates can have for personal property.
Take this out of the equation.
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FYI...NY has always had restrictions inmates can have for personal property.
Take this out of the equation.
Yes, as does every other state. However, this does address the ability of an inmate to receive and possess a book as their personal property. So you can't eliminate it, but weight it appropriately.
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If those 77 titles somehow can never contain contraband, unlike all other books, then I will believe that the contraband argument is honest.
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New Directive 4911A was just rescinded by NY gov for further review.
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New Directive 4911A was just rescinded by NY gov for further review.
Awesome news. I understand the point of it, but is very confusing. Even the food weights and number of packages, lead to paying more for shipping in the long run.

I don't mind using a vendor as long as the items are correct because the inmate isn't subject to paying the return fee.
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I was in a Federal low. Only a certain few titles were not allowed in for pretty obvious reasons - Bomb making, anarchy stuff, and a few titles that detailed criminal cases. Most times they notified if they returned anything, and books had to come in from major book retailers, Amazon, etc. seemed pretty simple! Tons of educational, vocational and great current novels came in, most of which ended up being donated to the library. Can you imagine how much work they create for themselves trying to maintain a wide ranging ban? As is often the case with new prison rules - they are absurd, bad ideas and are often changed once it becomes obvious how stupid they are. Comes with the territory!
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Effective at 3 prisons for only 4 days.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/12/n...suspended.html

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