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Yes, I am aware that the DSCC is in Grand Prairie, TX where the sentencing and computation is done and where the original error was made. It is also where the redesignation was done. Through FedCure we learned about that entire process the last few months and in fact we also were corresponding with the Director, Ms. Angela Dunbar, of the DSCC and one of the computation experts below her. We learned that if the email is not public information or shown online anywhere of one of the executives or any BOP employee, that all you have to do is add their first initial and last name to @bop.gov and that's how you communicate above the lower level staff. If we had not learned all of this my son would still be sitting at USP Victorville, continuing to be mistreated by staff, and would probably not end up transferring on his redesignation for months. His redesignation by the DSCC after they corrected their error in Grand Prairie, has actually been done for over a month now and sitting on the desk of my son's counselor at USP. She chose to sit on it and hold him back from the transfer because we were putting so much pressure on them to get it done. If anyone wants to know to expedite a transfer for any reason, I can elaborate in a private message.
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The attitude of his counselor is far too prevalent in the entire federal bureaucracy, not just the bop (although if we were scoring, the bop would probably be up there with the IRS.) I hope they will drop all the punishments once he is not in their prison any longer.

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Is your son still in USP? Do you know if USP is on lockdown? How would I be able to find this information out? Thank you for any help you might give?
Also, what medication was your son on for Bipolar disorder? I am a nurse and might be able to help you with questions you might have....
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Is your son still in USP? Do you know if USP is on lockdown? How would I be able to find this information out? Thank you for any help you might give?
He is no longer at USP, thank goodness! He was finally transferred Apr 19 across the street to Victorville's FCI II medium yard. We had to put heavy pressure on them from the outside to get it done that early. He arrived in January and ordinarily, even if it is the designation center's error in scoring, it takes up to a year to get a transfer done. We worked with FedCure and emailed the hell out of the facility and even emailed Central with complaints until they finally got tired of hearing from us. He was transferred Apr 19th and things are much better in the medium yard, however it's still not the best environment...the danger of violence is not so great, but in regards to medical, it's not much different. At least there they act like they give a damn and are trying to help him thru the process.

You could google USP Victorville and get their main number, then call the switchboard...they will tell you if they are on lockdown.

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Also, what medication was your son on for Bipolar disorder? I am a nurse and might be able to help you with questions you might have....
My son has tried everything for his bipolarism and prior to prison he was taking gabapentin for many years, including the 18 months at an outsourced federal facility prior to his sentencing. But gabapentin is considered a non-formulary medication with the BOP so in order to get prescribed that med he has to go thru trying all those other standard bipolar meds before they will even consider approving a non-formulary request. He has tried many standard bipolar meds and nothing but gabapentin ever worked for him. I have spoken with the medical director at Western Regional on several occasions and she was evasive and of no help whatsoever! But due to the number of times I called or emailed, the FCI II staff now has my son going thru the process but showing concern and care enough that he is willing to get thru it. FedCure also sent emails and contacted people at Central on the issue...so we just became a pain in the rear to them enough so that they finally decided to show my son compassion and get him thru this process quickly.
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My husband has just arrived at victorville but told me he will b in shu for first couple months for a fight he had at other prison.then he goes to Rdap. I'm not sure what he can order off comminsary or if he has a limit. Can I order him magazines or books. How is victorville, I'm so worried I just was released from Hazelton prison and got to talk to him for a short time while he was at transfer center first time in 2 years. When can he call me? Please help I'm so worried and want to do what I can for him.
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He will only be allowed one short phone call every 30 days that he is in the SHU and no emails. You can both write as many letters as you want (as long as he is able to get stamps & stationary). You can have books sent directly to him from publishers or bookstores, as long as they are delivered by the US Post office. I would limit each order to 5 books or less.

SHU has visiting days and hours, although not as many as for general population. Commissary will be limited. Here is the link to the USP Victorville commissary list and A&O handbook (inmate rules).
https://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/vip/

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COMMISSARY RESTRICTION IS LIMITED TO $25.00 PER MONTH. HYGIENE ITEMS, OVER-THE- COUNTER MEDICATIONS, STAMPS, BATTERIES, AND STATIONARY MAY BE PURCHASED. LIMIT 1 ITEM EACH WITH THE EXCEPTION OF STAMPS
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My husband was transferred to Victorville USP just a few days ago.. I'm so worried about him. We have heard horrible things about Victorville and I haven't heard from him since he was transferred!!! Any helpful information would be great about Victorville.. Thanks in advance
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It takes awhile for the phones, email and visitation to be set up after a prison transfer. How long it takes depends on his new counselor. If he was able to phone or email using the bop's inmate phone system and corrlinks at his previous stop, his new counselor is able to import his previously approved lists.

Newly transferred inmates often start out in the SHU, which slows the transition even further. Victorville is also notorious for its frequent, and long term prison lockdowns too, which slows communications even more.
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Its been a little over a week now ... have not even received a letter from husband which is odd. He is in fci II. Missing him. A lot can go on in a week at home. Recovering from surgery, seeing specialists etc and he tries to stay in the loop. Anyone else hear from their man? Shit you know what it is Abby Lee Miller over at Camp tap dancing or some shit having them all in a uproar likely!
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Has anyone here visited the USP? My guy is heading there next week, and I'm looking for information on visits and if they're locked down with cancelled visits all the time. Thanks.
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From what gets posted here, Victorville's warden loves lockdowns as a first response to almost every problem. This sticky has 80 pages of 25 posts on each one (1990 in total) talking about lockdowns.

Many other federal prisons have far fewer, and shorter duration lockdowns.
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My husband was able to call but yesterday and today no calls. So tired of this shite! A whole week didnt hear from him and now it appears they are possible on lockdown at FCI Med II.
Yes they lock down and mini lock down constantly here. Before he was transferred there it was the last place I was hoping he would go because the constant threat of lockdown. The officers are generally shrek like creatures there, power hungry and rude to visitors in the USP for those ladies who just finding out there L.O.s got transferred there. Dont cross them. Dont talk to them if you can avoid it. Just smile and do what they tell you when visiting. You have to dress like a nun basically and even then someone will say your cleavage is showing. LOL upper neck? I am older and they pulled that on me. I dont have any cleavage bearing clothing. I am very conservative dressed. And in fact because my husband has been in awhile I have learned through the years not to even bother dressing up. Just wear jeans, sweaters, tshirts cover it all basically. Even then they will harass you. Dont trust any other lady visitors either. Just kind of stick to yourself when you go visit there. Those ladies will throw down to get in first! Crazy place. And I cant wait for the roller coaster ride to end. I am so sick of prison right now. Yes, they get on lock down if officers are on vacation, holidays. Christmas before last they locked down before Thanksgiving clear til middle of December, off for a few days then locked back down and guess what? Lifted it the day after New Years. Vacations for the employees far more important then the guys having visits.
Ugh. This is so discouraging to hear. My guy will be there some time this week. I have way too far and too many hoops to jump through for travel to deal with this kind of stuff. Do they always harass all the visitors? Have you been turned away?

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Thanks for the information. This happened at medium FCI? I appreciate all your help. I need to be stronger but I am so tired now. We have been doing this over 20 years and he will be released soon enough but I am terminally ill and it just gets hard when I dont know whats going on. I have a letter to mail him though in the morning and will start writing. In the past when stuff like this happened they were locked down a month. Really thank you all that responded. It really helps me rest.

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Welcome to Prison Talk. Your visitation experience, from good to awful, will be determined by the COs on duty that day. From the messages posted about it, Victorville is often locked down, and harsh to visitors and prisoners even when visitation is open.
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I'm sorry to hear about your illness. It is more than unfortunate that the two of you cannot be together during such a difficult time for you. I just wanted to mention (on a positive note) in 2009, I was diagnosed with a terminal brain tumor and was given 8-12 months to live. I am happy to report though, here I am today, 8 years later with no treatment whatsoever. I only suffered (at the hand of this tumor) emotionally for obvious reasons.

None the less, keep your head up and try thinking positive thoughts and how beating your illness and living a long life is not impossible. Go to church and ask your church for prayers. Good things are magnetized to positive thoughts just as bad things are magnetized by negative thoughts. I just learned to appreciate life and did my best to block the "would haves" and the "should haves" from my thoughts. It was overwhelming to wake up every morning knowing it hadn't beat me. Even now, I wake up every morning thankful for another day.

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Anyone here who has experience visiting Victorville? My LO is heading there now. Any information would be appreciated.
You have to make sure you abide by the dress code. Even if you do, make sure you bring a few options to change into in case they take exception to your outfit. But once you pass the dress code in my experience the CO's were professional. Make sure you have your ID and car licence plate #. There is nothing to eat and only a drinking fountain, so make sure you eat beforehand. Good luck!
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Their not on lock down. If you haven't heard from your LO. Check the Shu!!.
I call the (760) 530-5000 and hit 0. And have no problems.
Keep calling somebody will answer.
Thanks...I did go, we had a great visit! unfortunately even tho I was there before 8:45 they stopped processing visitor #'s and alot of us had to wait until after count. One thing I would like to say to the visiting families ... PLEASE abide by the dress code, I know they make it hard on us...but please ladies...bring a change of clothing or 4 lol...Don't waste their time or ours by arguing with them! You just make the CO's mad and make it more difficult on the rest of us! There is nothing you can say that will change their minds and it just slows up the process for the rest of us. Take out all your body jewelry...keep your outfits down to the basics. Enjoy as much time as allowed with you LO and remember your manners
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Thanks...I did go, we had a great visit! unfortunately even tho I was there before 8:45 they stopped processing visitor #'s and alot of us had to wait until after count. One thing I would like to say to the visiting families ... PLEASE abide by the dress code, I know they make it hard on us...but please ladies...bring a change of clothing or 4 lol...Don't waste their time or ours by arguing with them! You just make the CO's mad and make it more difficult on the rest of us! There is nothing you can say that will change their minds and it just slows up the process for the rest of us. Take out all your body jewelry...keep your outfits down to the basics. Enjoy as much time as allowed with you LO and remember your manners
I have to say, I beg to differ.... I've been going down to visit at this USP Victorville for 2 years now.(which isn't long to some) And I will say for this group of staff they don't have a true black and white dress code to follow. It changes day to day. And depends on who you are with the clothes on... So best practice should be to put 5 outfits in your suitcase.. or be there extra early and bring some extra cash, so you can run back and forth to dollar general/Walmart for new clothes.

I agree with you on the going back and forth with CO's. It doesn't help you to get really upset because they want to get you all worked up and out of your character. So they can terminate your visits forever I've seen it happen it's so unfair but that's the way it is down there.

Now the one thing that they are very consistent with is if you do not clear the metal detector you will not get in so if you have any medical instruments in your body make sure you have your doctor letters. And if you have any jewelry on including in your ears or on your body. Just go ahead and let them run it to the detector to prevent from beeping. It's been set to extra sensitive on purpose.. LOL 😂
No really!.

Now I will say if you have any intentions on making it into the prison before count, you will need to be outside lined up by 730. (In front of the prison... And remember they don't want anybody holding anybody's spot in line... (ridiculous!.&#128580

**I'm a firm believer of you treat people, the way that they treat you... So as long as the CO's are respectful to me, I will be respectful to them. They have bosses and they have complaints you can file too. You just have to be brave enough to speak up for yourself..
For the most part, the MEN CO's are pretty respectful when picking on you, or giving you a hard time. Or even when they are denying your visit.... 😡**
What I do is remind myself that some visitor has violated the rules and this is why things are the way they are, plus they love going to the extreme. So I tell myself to keep smiling and never stop. Because it's really easy to forget
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you cannot line up outside until 8:15am, and you may go inside at 8:30 am. Cars are not allowed in the FCC until 8:15am. I been to visit my guy at USP Beaumont, UPS LEE, and USP Hazleton, and this is the worst place.. So if you are traveling from far, bring your extra clothes and some snack in your car just incase you don't make it in for visit before count.
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I have to say, I beg to differ.... I've been going down to visit at this USP Victorville for 2 years now.(which isn't long to some) And I will say for this group of staff they don't have a true black and white dress code to follow. It changes day to day. And depends on who you are with the clothes on... So best practice should be to put 5 outfits in your suitcase.. or be there extra early and bring some extra cash, so you can run back and forth to dollar general/Walmart for new clothes.

I agree with you on the going back and forth with CO's. It doesn't help you to get really upset because they want to get you all worked up and out of your character. So they can terminate your visits forever I've seen it happen it's so unfair but that's the way it is down there.

Now the one thing that they are very consistent with is if you do not clear the metal detector you will not get in so if you have any medical instruments in your body make sure you have your doctor letters. And if you have any jewelry on including in your ears or on your body. Just go ahead and let them run it to the detector to prevent from beeping. It's been set to extra sensitive on purpose.. LOL 😂
No really!.

Now I will say if you have any intentions on making it into the prison before count, you will need to be outside lined up by 730. (In front of the prison... And remember they don't want anybody holding anybody's spot in line... (ridiculous!.&#128580

**I'm a firm believer of you treat people, the way that they treat you... So as long as the CO's are respectful to me, I will be respectful to them. They have bosses and they have complaints you can file too. You just have to be brave enough to speak up for yourself..
For the most part, the MEN CO's are pretty respectful when picking on you, or giving you a hard time. Or even when they are denying your visit.... 😡**
What I do is remind myself that some visitor has violated the rules and this is why things are the way they are, plus they love going to the extreme. So I tell myself to keep smiling and never stop. Because it's really easy to forget
My guy told me someone's visitor got turned away yesterday 5 times after changing. Can you tell me what they are turning people away for? What do you wear that gets you through?
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We used to call it contempt of CO. They can make life as difficult as they want for inmates, and especially for their visiting families.

I've never seen anyone win an argument with a prison staff member, but COs definitely know many ways to make life even more miserable than it already is because it is definitely "punishment" in their prison.
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Its not just at Victorville. I have visited my husband at other USP and FCIs. It is some kind of evil they put in visitation is all I can say. At USP Victorville a few years ago the girl says your showing all your cleavage! I had on a shirt about 4 inches above my cleavage. Only my neck and the skin about 2 inches below was showing. I was too pink. If I had been any other darker color I dont think I would have been picked on this time. Can I mention I am older, conservative and have been dressing for visits for years. I think getting dolled up is stupid so I didnt have on a cleavage shirt, high heels or any other inappropriate things. It was racist plain and simple. Then she let in hoochie mamas of her race with see through super tight things. They might as well have been wearing pasties and a bikini bottom. Im so done with this prison thing. Just a few more years.
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Its not just at Victorville. I have visited my husband at other USP and FCIs. It is some kind of evil they put in visitation is all I can say. At USP Victorville a few years ago the girl says your showing all your cleavage! I had on a shirt about 4 inches above my cleavage. Only my neck and the skin about 2 inches below was showing. I was too pink. If I had been any other darker color I dont think I would have been picked on this time. Can I mention I am older, conservative and have been dressing for visits for years. I think getting dolled up is stupid so I didnt have on a cleavage shirt, high heels or any other inappropriate things. It was racist plain and simple. Then she let in hoochie mamas of her race with see through super tight things. They might as well have been wearing pasties and a bikini bottom. Im so done with this prison thing. Just a few more years.
I agree, it's not just Victorville. My guy was just at Coleman I, and they had one girl who was a nightmare. The white shirts were actually cool. You can wear hoodies there and shorts as long as they're by the knee. I even saw girls get in with spandex on. I have too far to travel, and too many hoops to go through to visit in CA. I won't go back if I have issues. I don't dress inappropriately at all. I have seen visitors wear things that I can't believe they think they can get in with, but I am not one of those. I don't get all dressed up either. It's not exactly a comfortable situation sitting in chairs all day, so I'm not going to add to the discomfort. I'm glad you're almost done. I don't have that luxury.
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Keep in mind that what you see during visiting is not what is going on inside. Giving them respect is alright as long as this respect is returned to our loved ones. Unfortunately, the polite smile we see when we come for a visit is gone when visiting is over. Do not forget: USP Victorville is still "young" but one inmate got killed there already. His name is Peter Scopazzi and he died on April 16, 2005 - ask his family if giving them respect would have saved his life.
Amen to that!... There's some serious problems with the staff
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