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Old 09-07-2018, 05:44 PM
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Iím so worried. My son came out of juvie months ago and was diagnosed with malnutrition. He was sickly pale, extremely thin, had a nagging cough, and was losing handfuls of hair. I immediately took him to the doctor who diagnosed him with malnutrition and told him to eat healthy, fresh food and take vitamins. He was starting to gain weight and look better, and now heís in adult jail. Our doctor wrote prescriptions for vitamins for him two weeks ago, and I just found out yesterday that the jail MD is refusing to let him have them. Heís only had about 5 servings of canned vegetables since heís been in, no fruit, nothing fresh, and commissary food is only junk. Why wouldnít an MD want the best for his patients and allow him to have vitamins? The prescription was clearly attached by a pharmacist to each one. Weíre paying for them, not the government. I donít understand and donít know what to do. Shouldnít the jail be required to give him the vitamins after being diagnosed with malnutrition and since these were prescribed by his doctor? Heís only 18, and his brain isnít even close to being fully developed. Thatís one of the reasons heís in this mess. Iím sorry if I seem clueless, but I really am.
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My son is in Federal, there are no nutritional meals in there, they try to keep meals at the smallest amount of cost, there is nothing fresh. I know nothing about Indiana Prisons, However the Doctors there are not going to help unless they decide its what they want to do, I’ve never heard of anyone being able to pay for an inmates supplements from the outside, they should have approved vitamins on the Commissary list. My son went in with 6 prescriptions, only 2 were in there formulary, so the PA just found others that were kinda close enough. Look at the Commissary list for your Sons Prison and try to help him find something to supplement his diet, vitamins, tuna, possibly V8 juice. Someone will come along with More information than I can give, hopefully there will be people on here in the same prison as your son, and give you more ideas! I’m truly sorry your having to go through this.
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My boyfriend stayed on vitamins and protein powder to supplement inside. This story breaks my heart. I hear many people say they get what they need inside, not true. Bodies need healthy food, exercise and sunshine. If you can get ahold of a canteen list and help him make choices like were suggested in a previous post. Even with all he did he still came out pale and unhealthy.
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My son is in Federal, there are no nutritional meals in there, they try to keep meals at the smallest amount of cost, there is nothing fresh. I know nothing about Indiana Prisons, However the Doctors there are not going to help unless they decide its what they want to do, Iíve never heard of anyone being able to pay for an inmates supplements from the outside, they should have approved vitamins on the Commissary list. My son went in with 6 prescriptions, only 2 were in there formulary, so the PA just found others that were kinda close enough. Look at the Commissary list for your Sons Prison and try to help him find something to supplement his diet, vitamins, tuna, possibly V8 juice. Someone will come along with More information than I can give, hopefully there will be people on here in the same prison as your son, and give you more ideas! Iím truly sorry your having to go through this.
Thanks, so much. I guess I failed to mention that heís got some major medical issues. Iím trying so hard to get appointments with his various doctors to see what can be done. He has major problems and mental disabilities already and has always been in special ed classes because of it, and his intestines have never worked properly, so his body doesnít make seratonin. Now, after all of these years, a number of doctors believe that a lot of his problems are because he was infected with Lyme disease and other tick-borne infections when we lived on the in Virginia when he was 4. Itís such a strange disease, and Iím so scared of all of the devastation is has caused and will continue to cause in his body. Google Lyme disease and suicide. Treatment for it is very tricky because you at least need vitamin C to rid your body of the toxins created by the infections, and the diseases themselves create chronic inflammation and can cause brain and heart damage along with many other problems. It canít be treated with antibiotics in his case because his body canít tolerate them. Heís got a lot of medical problems. Theyíre allowing two of his prescriptions through which are for bipolar disorder, but heís already tried to commit suicide numerous times in the last few years. Iíll try to see if V8 or vitamins are available where he is, but I don't know how we can get him to buy those with commissary his money. Heís mentally very young, and so far he just talks about buying chips and honeybuns. He really needs to be in a mental hospital (which are practically non-existent anymore) but weíve read that prisons are the ďnewĒ mental hospitals. Weíre not even trying to get him a reduced sentence. We just donít want him to be so much worse off that he tries to attempt suicide again and succeeds. He just turned 18 but is not mentally 18. Iím sorry if I sound like a privileged person. I am not. Weíve been dealing with his mental health issues since he was 4, and most of the doctors heís seen donít take insurance, so weíre in major debt. Apparently you canít get good medical or mental health care in this country, big surprise. Iím tearing my hair out. Weíve been struggling to get him help and a proper diagnosis for years, but the last few months heís just been spiraling. He was actually trying to commit suicide when he allegedly committed the crimes heís in jail for, but I donít think the judge will care. If he didnít have this major depression, I think I would be able to accept this a little better, but Iím so worried that his mental state is going to deteriorate. Bad nutrition is horrible enough for an ordinary person, but for one with his medical problems, it can make things so much worse.
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My boyfriend stayed on vitamins and protein powder to supplement inside. This story breaks my heart. I hear many people say they get what they need inside, not true. Bodies need healthy food, exercise and sunshine. If you can get ahold of a canteen list and help him make choices like were suggested in a previous post. Even with all he did he still came out pale and unhealthy.
How was your boyfriend able to get the vitamins and protein powder inside? Iím not sure my son is capable of choosing healthy things for himself from the commissary list. Heís really just not mature enough and doesnít understand that kind of thing. Heís a very immature 18 year old. Iíve already had a number of his teachers reach out to me about how necessary either a good diet or supplemental vitamins will be for him, but of course they donít have the knowledge to help him either.
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He should continue to sign up for sick call and explain his medical problems to whoever he sees. Jails are notorious for having even worse medical care than prisons, but someone is responsible for providing appropriate care to jail prisoners. It may be a private company under contract, or employees hired by the sheriff, etc., but someone is being paid to care for inmates.

How long will he be there? That can factor into your decision to complain, or not.
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He should continue to sign up for sick call and explain his medical problems to whoever he sees. Jails are notorious for having even worse medical care than prisons, but someone is responsible for providing appropriate care to jail prisoners. It may be a private company under contract, or employees hired by the sheriff, etc., but someone is being paid to care for inmates.

How long will he be there? That can factor into your decision to complain, or not.
Hereís the problem. We have no idea whatsís going on or how long heís going to be there. Heís in county jail right now. Itís weird because after a couple of weeks he said he was ďre-classifiedĒ and moved at 1:00 am from a pretty laid back block to one with actual murderers, and he has no idea why. His was a non-violent offender (tried to commit suicide with drugs and a knife, allegedly ran from police.) Maybe itís because he was violent to himself or thereís overcrowding? Heck, he could be doing stupid stuff in there and just not telling us too. My gut says that it wasnít something he did though.

The second problem is that heís afraid to complain to medical because he was in there the first week or so because of his suicide attempt and injuries. He was constantly stuck in a tiny cell (two person cell, three people) and had to sleep on a thin mat on the floor near the toilet. Heís terrified to bring up anything for fear of getting put back there. At least where he is now he has a bunk, gets to leave his cell periodically, has access to TV, and isnít sleeping on the floor next to a toilet.

All of the stuff he did happened in a 24 hour period when he was in the middle of a mental breakdown. His meds clearly arenít working, though I think theyíre better than nothing.

He is at least receiving his two prescriptions for mood stabilization in jail, thank God, though he says they arenít really doing much. What the heck would he be like without them?

This entire situation is so screwed up. I had no idea jails and prisons were so awful. If someone ever finds a cure for my disease and I get even halfway better, Iím going to start doing what little I can for prison reform. I understand that people need to be punished for their crimes, but they need decent food or at least supplemental vitamins and the right NOT to sleep on the floor next to a toilet. They also deserve adequate medical treatment, but apparently thatís difficult to come by for anyone in this country unless you have good insurance or are independently wealthy.

I know Iím preaching to the choir here. Thanks so much for your help and time. I really appreciate you being on here and caring enough to answer.
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Hereís the problem. We have no idea whatsís going on or how long heís going to be there. Heís in county jail right now. Itís weird because after a couple of weeks he said he was ďre-classifiedĒ and moved at 1:00 am from a pretty laid back block to one with actual murderers, and he has no idea why. His was a non-violent offender (tried to commit suicide with drugs and a knife, allegedly ran from police.) Maybe itís because he was violent to himself or thereís overcrowding? Heck, he could be doing stupid stuff in there and just not telling us too. My gut says that it wasnít something he did though.

The second problem is that heís afraid to complain to medical because he was in there the first week or so because of his suicide attempt and injuries. He was constantly stuck in a tiny cell (two person cell, three people) and had to sleep on a thin mat on the floor near the toilet. Heís terrified to bring up anything for fear of getting put back there. At least where he is now he has a bunk, gets to leave his cell periodically, has access to TV, and isnít sleeping on the floor next to a toilet.

All of the stuff he did happened in a 24 hour period when he was in the middle of a mental breakdown. His meds clearly arenít working, though I think theyíre better than nothing.

He is at least receiving his two prescriptions for mood stabilization in jail, thank God, though he says they arenít really doing much. What the heck would he be like without them?

This entire situation is so screwed up. I had no idea jails and prisons were so awful. If someone ever finds a cure for my disease and I get even halfway better, Iím going to start doing what little I can for prison reform. I understand that people need to be punished for their crimes, but they need decent food or at least supplemental vitamins and the right NOT to sleep on the floor next to a toilet. They also deserve adequate medical treatment, but apparently thatís difficult to come by for anyone in this country unless you have good insurance or are independently wealthy.

I know Iím preaching to the choir here. Thanks so much for your help and time. I really appreciate you being on here and caring enough to answer.


I really feel for you and your son. Had issues when my husband was in county....they hate to see me walk anywhere near the jail/court house.
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How was your boyfriend able to get the vitamins and protein powder inside? Iím not sure my son is capable of choosing healthy things for himself from the commissary list. Heís really just not mature enough and doesnít understand that kind of thing. Heís a very immature 18 year old. Iíve already had a number of his teachers reach out to me about how necessary either a good diet or supplemental vitamins will be for him, but of course they donít have the knowledge to help him either.
He was able to purchase protein powder and vitamins off of the commissary list. He also bought V-8 juice
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So, I spoke with him about getting vitamins today, and they are available at the commissary. The problem is that the types of vitamins he needs aren’t available. Part of his medical problems are that he can’t process vitamins in certain forms, and some can actually make his conditions worse. I know more about his biology than I ever dreamed possible. I forgot to ask about protein powder. He was all excited about putting chili into a bag of chips today. He’s such a little boy. He also said that he already sees that people are dividing up by race which is very troubling. I’ve read about that in prisons, but I had hoped he wouldn’t encounter it. He has family members of all races, and he himself is 1/4 Mexican and part Native American but looks white. He says the whites are looking out for him. What the heck will they do if they find out he’s not 100% white? Do people just fit in because they look a certain color? I’m so worried!
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Prison racial politics depend on the prison/jail system and are massively different. In some, they determine who he is allowed to associate with, while in others, he can choose whoever he wants. He will learn inmate etiquette for his actual location, and following it is important. Affiliating with a gang also carries its own rules and consequences.
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He saw what some of the boys in his former school were dealing with, so I think heíll stay out of a gang. One kidís dad in there was in a gang in South America, and if they ever go back there, heíll be murdered. I really, really hope heís not that stupid, but MAN heís done some dumb things in his life!
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Mama33, what state are you in? The different states handle many issues very differently, so what happens in one won't necessarily apply to any other.

Meanwhile, gather all of his medical records (if that hasn't already been done for his PSI) and get them to the jail/prison. Contact the ombudsman for your state to help you direct them properly. Then talk to your state representative/senator and anyone else who might be able to help. The prison system is not very prone to give in to pressure, but when it's from the people who control their budgets and promotions, they sometimes listen.
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Mama33, what state are you in? The different states handle many issues very differently, so what happens in one won't necessarily apply to any other.

Meanwhile, gather all of his medical records (if that hasn't already been done for his PSI) and get them to the jail/prison. Contact the ombudsman for your state to help you direct them properly. Then talk to your state representative/senator and anyone else who might be able to help. The prison system is not very prone to give in to pressure, but when it's from the people who control their budgets and promotions, they sometimes listen.

Ok, thank you so much for the advice.
My husband is dragging his feet about getting all of the records. There are so, so many, all the back since he was 5. My husband has kind of washed his hands of our son and doesnít care if he gets the stuff he needs. Heís just so sick of doing backflips for this kid. I just donít want his mental problems to get worse because guess who heíll be calling when he gets out if he has more trouble... us, of course! I just want him to get better and not want to kill himself. This is really hard.
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he was ďre-classifiedĒ and moved at 1:00 am from a pretty laid back block to one with actual murderers, and he has no idea why. His was a non-violent offender (tried to commit suicide with drugs and a knife, allegedly ran from police.) Maybe itís because he was violent to himself or thereís overcrowding?
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So... are you aware of what heís actually been charged with? That might give you some insight into his reclassification. You donít get thrown in jail if you attempt suicide, and you wouldnít be jailed indefinitely for just running from police. That means heís in jail for something else... either illegal possession of the drugs he had, or he threatened someone else (hopefully not the police officer) with that knife.
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So... are you aware of what heís actually been charged with? That might give you some insight into his reclassification. You donít get thrown in jail if you attempt suicide, and you wouldnít be jailed indefinitely for just running from police. That means heís in jail for something else... either illegal possession of the drugs he had, or he threatened someone else (hopefully not the police officer) with that knife.
Thanks for replying. Would he get reclassified because of drugs? He said he just got a letter saying the stuff he had on him was pot. (Of course he tried to deny that to us... why weíd believe that I have no idea. He was high as a kite when we saw him.) I thought pot was a pretty minor offense though.

He didnít threaten a police officer with the knife. He was stabbing himself in the arm, and they tased him. We saw that part. Iím wondering if he did something while in jail to get him re-classified and just isnít saying anything. Maybe he did something stupid and is too embarrassed to tell us. He may have also incriminated himself on those phone with his friends. Ugh.... oh well, heís legally an adult now even if he doesnít act like it and gets to make his own decisions. Having him in adult jail now is interesting because we hear nothing unless itís from him. The not knowing is so hard, but itís not like we could do anything about it anyway.

We also just got the ambulance bill today. Itís always something.
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Thanks for replying. Would he get reclassified because of drugs? He said he just got a letter saying the stuff he had on him was pot. (Of course he tried to deny that to us... why weíd believe that I have no idea. He was high as a kite when we saw him.) I thought pot was a pretty minor offense though.

He didnít threaten a police officer with the knife. He was stabbing himself in the arm, and they tased him. We saw that part. Iím wondering if he did something while in jail to get him re-classified and just isnít saying anything. Maybe he did something stupid and is too embarrassed to tell us. He may have also incriminated himself on those phone with his friends. Ugh.... oh well, heís legally an adult now even if he doesnít act like it and gets to make his own decisions. Having him in adult jail now is interesting because we hear nothing unless itís from him. The not knowing is so hard, but itís not like we could do anything about it anyway.

We also just got the ambulance bill today. Itís always something.
Oh my goodness... I donít care what the law says, 18 year olds are not grown adults. Maybe some of them are... but definitely not the majority.

Since the ambulance bill will be his responsibility and he is unemployed, see if the hospital has a sliding fee program or relief program based on income. It might make it more manageable.
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Iím so worried. My son came out of juvie months ago and was diagnosed with malnutrition. He was sickly pale, extremely thin, had a nagging cough, and was losing handfuls of hair. I immediately took him to the doctor who diagnosed him with malnutrition and told him to eat healthy, fresh food and take vitamins. He was starting to gain weight and look better, and now heís in adult jail. Our doctor wrote prescriptions for vitamins for him two weeks ago, and I just found out yesterday that the jail MD is refusing to let him have them. Heís only had about 5 servings of canned vegetables since heís been in, no fruit, nothing fresh, and commissary food is only junk. Why wouldnít an MD want the best for his patients and allow him to have vitamins? The prescription was clearly attached by a pharmacist to each one. Weíre paying for them, not the government. I donít understand and donít know what to do. Shouldnít the jail be required to give him the vitamins after being diagnosed with malnutrition and since these were prescribed by his doctor? Heís only 18, and his brain isnít even close to being fully developed. Thatís one of the reasons heís in this mess. Iím sorry if I seem clueless, but I really am.
He should be able to buy vitamins through commissary I know my husband has. Don't know if he's in state or federal but I'm sure they're available in both
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Thanks for replying. Would he get reclassified because of drugs? He said he just got a letter saying the stuff he had on him was pot. (Of course he tried to deny that to us... why weíd believe that I have no idea. He was high as a kite when we saw him.) I thought pot was a pretty minor offense though.

He didnít threaten a police officer with the knife. He was stabbing himself in the arm, and they tased him. We saw that part. Iím wondering if he did something while in jail to get him re-classified and just isnít saying anything. Maybe he did something stupid and is too embarrassed to tell us. He may have also incriminated himself on those phone with his friends. Ugh.... oh well, heís legally an adult now even if he doesnít act like it and gets to make his own decisions. Having him in adult jail now is interesting because we hear nothing unless itís from him. The not knowing is so hard, but itís not like we could do anything about it anyway.

We also just got the ambulance bill today. Itís always something.
Could he have had synthetic pot (K2) instead of regular pot? This affects them in so many different ways. Look it up and see if you see any parallels in his behavior.

Again, regular pot can be mixed with other stuff too.
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If he is legally an adult, you are not responsible for his medical bills. I never even saw the medical bills from the hosptial when my son was arrested and was taken to the ER via ambulance. If I did and have forgotten, then I would have called them and told them he was in jail, headed for prison, and wouldn't be out for at least 5 years or more. They would have written it off, after reporting it on his credit I am sure, upon confirming that I was telling the truth.

Unless they include these things in with his sentencing of costs and fines, then the reality is that if he is in for any length of time, it will be off his credit report in 7 to 10 years and most likely they will cease any collection actions after 3 to 5 years depending on their collection agency.

What you do want to concentrate paying for is anything that will eventually affect his release and parole. The rest, ignore. I had to pay some fines out of WI as his 1st felon was there and I needed them to to agree to concurrent sentence in AZ. The AZ fines, his sentence provided for it to be be paid at the rate of 20% so they took that out of any money sent to him and any money he earned. My sons' were less than 3k in AZ so it was paid off in 5 years. I paid about $1,500 in WI and recently learned I missed a city court one that he will have to deal with when he gets out.

Assuming he has no assets to protect, and his sentence is lengthy, don't worry about any bills that do not affect his ability to complete his sentence and be released.
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He should be able to buy vitamins through commissary I know my husband has. Don't know if he's in state or federal but I'm sure they're available in both
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Yeah, we found out they do they do sell them. Thatís probably why the jail wonít let him take the ones we dropped off. More money out of their pocket. I canít believe how much they charge for everything. Unfortunately, he has some kind of health issue where regular vitamins can actually make him worse, so he needs certain kinds of vitamins. Itís weird. It has to do with genes and methylation which Iím too stupid to explain. My brain is not working well on stress and lack of sleep.

Iím off to his MD tomorrow to see if heíll write a letter explaining this that we can give to the lawyer so he can actually get them. This whole situation has been really bizarre.

Iím so disgusted with the jail/prison system now. People have no idea whatís going on until they or a loved one have to deal with it.

I just started watching ď60 Days In.Ē My son will tell me about something thatís going on in his jail, and on the next episode Iíll see almost the exact same thing happening on the show. He saw some guy get dragged into a cell bathroom to get beat up and said that when the guy came out, his head looked like a pumpkin. Then I saw that happen on the next episode. No CO paid any attention.

The system really is broken.
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