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I believe whether or not to do background checks on housing applicants should be up to the landlord. From the article:

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Rachel Goodman, staff attorney with the ACLU Racial Justice Program, told Newsweek that there are a couple of thousand programs similar to Savannah's all around the U.S.“We are particularly concerned about Crime Free Housing Program where municipalities instruct private landlords to perform criminal history screening,” she said.

Ya'll bickering one side of a two-sided coin.

If the landlord has the right to conduct criminal background checks, s/he should also have the right Not to conduct background checks. If our private landlord was ordered by the city/county to run a background check and deny housing based on that background check, My Mr & I would be out in the cold. We're both convicted felons.

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i believe whether or not to do background checks on housing applicants should be up to the landlord. From the article:


ya'll bickering one side of a two-sided coin.

If the landlord has the right to conduct criminal background checks, s/he should also have the right not to conduct background checks. If our private landlord was ordered by the city/county to run a background check and deny housing based on that background check, my mr & i would be out in the cold. We're both convicted felons.

edit: And for the life of me i just don't understand some of the comments i've read here in this thread I had to go back and read our community purpose:


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Your not born a convicted FELON that's a choice you make when you break the law.
What if your wrongfully convicted?
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I believe once a person serves prison time they should get all their rights back and not be considered a 2nd class citizen.We wonder why recidivism so high,yes people make mistakes but a felon shouldn't be a life sentence.
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Get your record expunged!!!!! I'm not saying all felons or all landlords or all of anything. I just feel if a landlord wants he should be able to run a background check!!! This particular program I believe in order to get a tax break the landlords agree to adhere to the requirements which are doing back ground checks and not allowing felons, or something along those lines. I think anyone who owns a property should have the right to exclude who ever they want!!! For whatever reason they want. As long as the government is not footing the bill then they should be able to rent to gold fish!!!
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This particular program I believe in order to get a tax break the landlords agree to adhere to the requirements which are doing back ground checks and not allowing felons, or something along those lines.
Well that's bass ackwards Employers who hire felons get a tax break FOR hiring felons. There is no specific landlord tax break for NOT hiring felons that I can find.

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I think anyone who owns a property should have the right to exclude who ever they want!!! For whatever reason they want.
What if I, as a landlord, wanted to exclude all females, or everyone with no college, or all Republicans Is that ok? Can I get a tax credit for excluding them? How about excluding everyone except those that looked like me, thought like me, believed like me, worshiped like me? Is that ok? Can I get that tax credit?

Discrimination is Discrimination.

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Get your record expunged!!!!! I'm not saying all felons or all landlords or all of anything. I just feel if a landlord wants he should be able to run a background check!!! This particular program I believe in order to get a tax break the landlords agree to adhere to the requirements which are doing back ground checks and not allowing felons, or something along those lines. I think anyone who owns a property should have the right to exclude who ever they want!!! For whatever reason they want. As long as the government is not footing the bill then they should be able to rent to gold fish!!!
I don’t see anywhere is the article posted where landlords get tax breaks by doing background checks on prospective tenants. Did you read that somewhere else? Please post the link. I’d like to read it.

Just because the government isn’t involved doesn’t mean you can be discriminatory, which is what your post suggests.

HUDs position is it unfairly targets people of color.

In 2016, the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) released a guidance informing landlords that refusing renters with criminal records could violate the Fair Housing Act.

"When landlords refuse to rent to anyone who has an arrest record, they effectively bar the door to millions of folks of color for no good reason," former HUD Secretary Julián Castro told NPR in 2016.


I guess I’m not understanding why you have such a strong opposition to this because 1. You were charged with a felony, whether you were convicted or not and 2. Your husband was in prison. You seem very judgemental when you are (were) right in the same place. I just don’t get it.

Again, where are they supposed to live?
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Get your record expunged!!!!! I'm not saying all felons or all landlords or all of anything. I just feel if a landlord wants he should be able to run a background check!!! This particular program I believe in order to get a tax break the landlords agree to adhere to the requirements which are doing back ground checks and not allowing felons, or something along those lines. I think anyone who owns a property should have the right to exclude who ever they want!!! For whatever reason they want. As long as the government is not footing the bill then they should be able to rent to gold fish!!!
I had a conversation with an ex-felon who preached expungement. As I shared with them, it's great if you can but many here is SC can barely find jobs, minimum wage or otherwise because our local goverment won't ban the box. For others, trying to support themselves and/or family and paying expungement fees many cannot afford.

In South Carolina,

"You must pay a $250.00 administrative fee to the Solicitor’s office, a
$25.00 fee to the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division (“SLED”),
and $35.00 filing fee to the Clerk of Court. You pay the fees with
separate money orders when you apply to your Solicitor’s office.
There is no refund if the charge or conviction is not eligible for
expungement.

Certain charges are exempt from these fees. If there was not a plea
deal and the Solicitor dismissed or did not prosecute (“nol prossed”)
the charges, there are no fees for expungement. "

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I don’t know what the answer is but we need to do better.
I don't know either. But what AndyS said there could be my motto in life. It's true so often, about so many things ...

I wonder how much an insurance company would charge to cover landlords for whatever goes wrong if they rent to a tax cheat or a serial drunk driver. I wonder whether the insurance would be cheap enough for government to pay the premiums for the sake of steering people out of unstable post-prison lives. I wonder whether it would be the best use of money.
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Giving a free hand to the landlords for choosing their tenants is just the appropriate way, who would like to shelter a criminal under their roof.
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