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Post Amendment 4: Florida Supreme Court Oral Arguments Nov. 6th, 2019

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Florida’s 13 million voters have a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to help convicted felons who have paid their debt to society earn the right to vote, and a second chance. The Voting Restoration Amendment is a proposed constitutional amendment that would grant most of the 1.7 million convicted felons the right to vote and help select their leaders for local, state and federal offices.

https://www.miamiherald.com/opinion/...219954405.html

Don't forget to vote on November 6 -- YES on Amendment 4, restoration of rights to felons.
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Amendment 4, giving felons the right to vote, did pass in November. Yea!! Right? Not so fast. Implementation was held up for bs reasons...shortly afterward, it was proposed by the GOP that felons should have all fees, fines, restitution, etc paid before they could register to vote. Amendment 4 did not include language for that assertion, so now the House & Senate both have a version of an amendment to Amendment 4 adding such language

House passes Amendment 4 bill requiring felons to pay up before they can vote

After hours of debate, the Florida House on Wednesday passed along party lines its version of a bill implementing Amendment 4, which was supposed to restore the right to vote to more than a million former felons.

The 71-45 vote sets up a potential dispute with the Senate over whether court fines, fees and restitution should be required before felons can vote.

The House bill requires all of those to be paid before a felon can vote.

The Senate bill requires restitution to be paid, but not court fees and fines if those have been converted to a civil lien, which often happens. It has yet to be heard on the Senate floor.

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...and an update:

Florida Governor Introduces a Poll Tax, Curtailing Amendment 4

On November 6, 2018, nearly 65 percent of Florida voters—more than 5 million people—resoundingly approved Amendment 4, restoring voting rights to over a million of their fellow citizens. By passing Amendment 4, Floridians successfully ushered in the largest expansion of the electorate in nearly 50 years. The people of Florida did it on their own, using a constitutional ballot initiative, to finally achieve change where Florida politicians had failed.

Instead of celebrating this progress, Florida politicians are trying to destroy it. The Florida legislature passed, and today the Governor signed, unconstitutional legislation that requires people who are eligible to vote under Amendment 4 to pay the exorbitant court costs, fines, and fees levied against them at the time of their conviction, or lose their right to vote. In turn, the ACLU and partners filed a federal challenge seeking to block the law.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/voting-rig...d1RE40Z4mTF_JY
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...of course they did
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Florida, and other States too, try to exclude people they think won't vote "correctly" from voting at all. This week the US Supreme Court allowed "political gerrymandering" of election districts, another popular way for politicians in power to rig elections. Add the "electoral college" where the loser of the popular vote still wins the Presidency, and it seems like the ability to fix elections has been made an acceptable part of the US voting process.
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Nope, it isn't acceptable Didn't SCOTUS leave the gerrymandering issue to the states? Maybe I'm confusing it with something else or misread / misheard

As for Amendment 4, how can they make changes w/o the PEOPLE that voted & passed the amendment voting on the changes
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Here's the NY Times article. Supreme Court Bars Challenges to Partisan Gerrymandering
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/27/u...mandering.html

Although the ruling was on a case dealing with a federal court decision, Chief Justice Roberts seems to have included all courts in his ruling.

"The districting plans at issue here are highly partisan, by any measure,” he wrote. “The question is whether the courts below appropriately exercised judicial power when they found them unconstitutional as well".

The answer, he wrote, is no, as courts lack the authority and competence to decide when politics has played too large a role in redistricting. “There are no legal standards discernible in the Constitution for making such judgments,” the chief justice wrote, “let alone limited and precise standards that are clear, manageable and politically neutral.”
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In Florida, modified sentences and ‘rocket dockets’ aim to ensure felons can still register to vote

WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — Florida judges and prosecutors are working with felons and public defenders to find ways to register former inmates to vote, a process approved by voters last year that Republican legislators have made more difficult.

To work around a law passed this spring that requires individuals to pay all fines, fees and restitution before they can register, court officials in cities such as Miami and Tampa are modifying sentences and making plans to allow some debts to be converted to community service. In smaller towns, volunteers are holding fundraisers to pay off penalties for residents.

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Restoring felon voting rights a 'mess' in battleground Florida

TAMPA, Florida (Reuters) - Clifford Tyson wants to help choose America’s next president. But the Florida resident fears his vote might return him to jail.

Tyson, 63, owes court-ordered fines and fees for three felony convictions, one for robbery, two for theft, all decades old. Under a Florida law that went into effect July 1, he must pay those penalties before casting a ballot or risk being prosecuted for voter fraud.

Tyson searched court records, first on his own, then with the help of a nonprofit legal advocacy group. They say that because Florida has no comprehensive system for tracking such fines, the documents don’t make clear what he owes.

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I still don't get it What The People Of Florida voted on & passed did not include a "poll tax." How can Legislators just add to or change in any way something that was passed by The People. Shouldn't The People be afforded the opportunity to say yea or nay to any changes? Apparenty Floida Republican Legislators don't get it, either:

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State Representative Jamie Grant of Tampa, a Republican supporter of SB 7066, said critics of the law are the ones trying to defy the will of the electorate.

“You don’t get to change what the definition and terms are after people vote for it,” Grant said.
...the only ones changing the definitions and terms are Florida Republican Legislators. SB 7066 was not voted on by the People, just Amendment 4
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Judge Temporarily Blocks Florida Law Restricting Voting by Ex-Felons

A judge issued a preliminary injunction against a law that civil rights groups have called an unconstitutional “poll tax.”

Oct. 18, 2019

Florida cannot prevent people with felony convictions from registering to vote if they cannot pay fines and other costs stemming from their convictions, a federal judge ruled on Friday, temporarily blocking a state law that civil rights’ groups have called an unconstitutional “poll tax.”

The ruling was a rebuke to the state’s Republican governor, Ron DeSantis, and its Republican-controlled Legislature. Legislators had enacted a law requiring the fine and fee payments this year after voters resoundingly approved an amendment to the State Constitution that restored voting rights to as many as 1.5 million former felons.

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Here is a link to the Federal Court decision :

Case 4:19-cv-00300-RH-MJF

As noted in the Federal decision, the Supreme Court of Florida is set to hear oral arguments on Wednesday Nov. 6th @ 9 a.m. Here is a link to the Case Docket:


Case Number: SC19-1341 - Active ADVISORY OPINION TO THE GOVERNOR vs. RE: IMPLEMENTATION OF AMENDMENT 4, THE VOTING RESTORATION AMENDMENT

If you would like to attend the oral argument (Open to the public) or watch the broadcast from home, please see the following link: https://www.floridasupremecourt.org/
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