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Old 05-09-2019, 04:33 PM
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Default H.R.2348 - Clean Slate Act of 2019

Granted it was just introduced a couple weeks ago
But fingers crossed it eventually becomes law


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Very cool. Hoping this passes with flying colors.
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Old 05-11-2019, 11:09 AM
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I am glad to see some positive steps but why does every bill that deals with reform exclude someone convicted of a SO? The very 1st thing listed listed says hasn't committed a sex offense. People of all convictions should have the right to reestablish themselves if they prove they have taken steps to rehabilitate. People can forgive a murderer or someone who burns down someone's house but the "oh God no" factor of a sex offense is the kiss of death.
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I am glad to see some positive steps but why does every bill that deals with reform exclude someone convicted of a SO? The very 1st thing listed listed says hasn't committed a sex offense. People of all convictions should have the right to reestablish themselves if they prove they have taken steps to rehabilitate. People can forgive a murderer or someone who burns down someone's house but the "oh God no" factor of a sex offense is the kiss of death.
Well this one also includes violent offenders I believe so I think it's main focus is to stop penalizing people for minor drug charges that only involve marijuana post incarceration. Violent Offenders still often are excluded in these bills like Sex Offenders. I think part of the reason for that is that they fear including everyone will lead to a negative outcome so they go for the easiest route. Because the stigma around marijuana is starting to life significantly this bill would be easier to pass today than it would even 5 years ago. Baby steps as they say...

But I agree with you everyone deserves to have a second chance and we as a society should be trying our damndest is see that actual rehabilitation and progress are top priorities for ur offenders.
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I am glad to see some positive steps but why does every bill that deals with reform exclude someone convicted of a SO? The very 1st thing listed listed says hasn't committed a sex offense. People of all convictions should have the right to reestablish themselves if they prove they have taken steps to rehabilitate. People can forgive a murderer or someone who burns down someone's house but the "oh God no" factor of a sex offense is the kiss of death.
Being the victim of a sex crime i have to say something about this ridiculous question.

Now close your eyes and think for a second...your a mother and your daughter just went on a date with a guy she met at the mall..When you dropped her off at the mall you waited for a few to make sure said guy showed up and acted ok... Your daughter notices you waiting and ushers you off..Thats the last time you see your daughter for over 24 hours.
She comes stumbling in the door, bruised and bloody the next day, come to find out the guy had been a registered sex offender you find out when you take your 13 year old girl to do a police report. And he had done this before, it takes some time but now the man is locked up for alot longer this time for a repeat offense of : rape of a child.

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Your a 16 year old girl who meets this older looking man at a party. He looks maybe 21?
He is cute, sweet, and takes an interest right away.
The last thing you remember is drinking at the party...You wake up in an abandon house (thank god only a few blocks from your friends house) but your bleeding from your private parts and sore as all hell. Your pants are thrown in the corner and your panties are gone. You are scared, alone, and just been raped.

Now why would you not want to be able to know if someone has been convicted of a crime like this?

Granted murder and arson are pretty bad too but most people from the statistics ive seen at least its something like 4.2% of murders go out to recommit the same or other acts of violence. Where as sex offenders are at 36% go back to commit some sort of sex crime weather it be violet or not.

I hope the bill does pass it would be quite helpful coming from an ex-criminal to be able to go apply for a decent job, rather then right now i work as a temp. Mainly because i have a felony from like 5 years ago. It hinders quite alot when attempting to become employed.

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LittleMrs.V2019, your stats are wrong. The % of sex offenders that commit another sex crime within 3 years of release is a little over 5% & 4.8% according to the 2 largest studies of recidivism rates for so's to date (Harris & Hanson, 2004; Langan, Schmitt, & Durose, 2003)

Also, there is no boogyman in the bushes....s/he's your brother, cousin, uncle, little league coach, Sunday school teacher, etc et al. = someone you know & trust.

That aside, don't believe all the hype & hysteria spewed by politicians (vote whores) and vigilante groups comprised of paranoid, over-protective mothers/fathers.

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So, the question of why include sex offenders in criminal justice reform measures isn't so ridiculous after all. Right now, I'd be tickled to death if they'd just quit making every punitive so law (unconstitutionally) Retroactive.
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[quote=LittleMrs.V2019;7786267]Being the victim of a sex crime i have to say something about this ridiculous question.

First, there should be no ridiculous questions in these forums. We respect others so they feel free to post about sensitive subjects. Everyone here is free to disagree with each other but there is a more constructive way to do it.
Now that I have risked upsetting you by those comments, I'll explain why I asked the questions.
Sex Offenses have generally all been lumped into the "violent" basket. There is many times no distinction in people's minds between actual contact offenses & any other sex offense. Did you know in Georgia that you can be labeled a sex offender for making obscene phone calls? So is someone giving an "obscene"adult magazine to someone. In fact, you can be charged with a misdemeanor for being unmarried & having voluntary sex with someone. Want to cheat on your spouse? Better think again. It's a sex crime too. Think that's crazy? Here's the law-

16-6-18 — Fornication
An unmarried person commits the offense of fornication when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with another person and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.
16-6-19 — Adultery
A married person commits the offense of adultery when he voluntarily has sexual intercourse with a person other than his spouse and, upon conviction thereof, shall be punished as for a misdemeanor.

Many laws don't make the public safer. I realize the ones I listed are the "out there" laws but still, a person convicted of them has technically committed a sex crime. What I am advocating for is common sense sentences & oversight for those that do actually pose a danger to society. Making everyone a threat only makes people paranoid. Patchouli is correct. Even the US Supreme Court has used incorrect statistics about recidivism when addressing sex offense cases. The court decision was based on this-
"This Practitioner’s Guide itself provides but one source for the claim, an article published in 1986 in Psychology Today, a mass market magazine aimed at a lay audience. That article has this sentence: “Most untreated sex offenders released from prison go on to commit more offenses–indeed, as many as 80% do.” But the sentence is a bare assertion: the article contains no supporting reference for it. Nor does its author appear to have the scientific credentials that would qualify him to testify at trial as an expert on recidivism.He is a counselor, not a scholar of sex crimes or re-offense rates, and the cited article is not about recidivism statistics. It’s about a counseling program for sex offenders he then ran in an Oregon prison. His unsupported assertion about the recidivism rate for untreated sex offenders was offered to contrast with his equally unsupported assertion about the lower recidivism rate for those who complete his program."

And by the way, I am also the mother of a 33 year old daughter. She never went on a date at 13 & especially not alone with someone she met at a mall. Maybe I was lucky that the scenarios you listed didn't happen to her or anyone she knew but I like to think that it was because I educated her in how to be aware. We try our best to protect the ones we love but making them afraid to live their lives is harmful too.

All I was suggesting is that people be given second chances when they do everything required of them to prove they deserve them. Most people with sex offense labels have served their time & gone through required therapy. Refusing to see the progress they make in their lives is another form of punishment.
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