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Old 12-22-2004, 06:29 AM
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Default interesting article I found on prison rape

I think its bs though I mean how could whites let other races rape thema nd not do anything, wasnt the ab created for that? Plus whites make up 50% of the prison population, so is this article bs?

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Where you just quoting some place in the article when you say "how could whites let other races rape thema"? Or is this your own opinion?

No one "let's" or "allows" themselves to be raped.

It's done by force, and is a horrible horrible crime that is commited against inmates everyday.
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This is NOT an article, this is a study conducted by Human Rights Watch, so it's probably not bs....


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Plus whites make up 50% of the prison population
State and Federal Inmates by Race

Black: 43.91%
White: 34.72 %
Hispanic: 18.26 %
Other: 3.11 %

Source: HRW, April 2003

http://www.hrw.org/backgrounder/usa/incarceration/

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Considering rape is an act of violence and control I personally do not believe that race has anything to do with it nor do I believe that anyone, regardless of race, would allow such a thing to happen by choice.
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All righty then. Let me first say this. I don't know how old this study may be, or how percise any inmate made the level of information available for the study, but, the comment on how could whites let anyone rape them, they are 50% of the population and yada yada yada. I don't know where you got that percent from, but "whites" do not make up 50% of the population for one- Blacks are overpopulating the system. And for 2,3,4 @5, NO ONE LETS SOMEONE RAPE THEM. I think I'm understanding what you are saying, like why don't they clique up or something. But in all honesty, Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites are raping each other, there is no certain race criteria I doubt, they prey on the weak, and vulnerable. It doesn't matter what color, if you are a feminine type black guy, you have to watch your a** just as much as the white guy. And if you are close to the person who you are on PTO for in the first place, I'm quite sure he/she will tell you, alot of guys are openly just having sex, or letting a graphic descriptions removed, please reveiw PTO Policy, PERIOD. My knowledge of the Polunsky Unit especially is that - there are enough gay guys willingly giving up their tail, where rape happens- but not as much as in the past, that is why I'm thinking this study is old. And not 100% clear with the information given.
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All righty then. Let me first say this. I don't know how old this study may be, or how percise any inmate made the level of information available for the study, but, the comment on how could whites let anyone rape them, they are 50% of the population and yada yada yada. I don't know where you got that percent from, but "whites" do not make up 50% of the population for one- Blacks are overpopulating the system. And for 2,3,4 @5, NO ONE LETS SOMEONE RAPE THEM. I think I'm understanding what you are saying, like why don't they clique up or something. But in all honesty, Blacks, Hispanics, and Whites are raping each other, there is no certain race criteria I doubt, they prey on the weak, and vulnerable. It doesn't matter what color, if you are a feminine type black guy, you have to watch your a** just as much as the white guy. And if you are close to the person who you are on PTO for in the first place, I'm quite sure he/she will tell you, alot of guys are openly just having sex, or letting a edit, PERIOD. My knowledge of the Polunsky Unit especially is that - there are enough gay guys willingly giving up their tail, where rape happens- but not as much as in the past, that is why I'm thinking this study is old. And not 100% clear with the information given.
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I agree with you! Whites rape whites too, Hispanics rape Hispanics, etc.

I just need to clarify somethings....

My partner was raped twice during his 9 year prison stay.
He is NOT effeminate.
He is NOT weak.
He is WHITE.
He was raped by a WHITE inmate, both times.
He never VOLUNTARILY gave up his "tail". He was forced to.

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Incidences of rape in prisons occur similarly in central america where i live. Here too, the seemingly weak are preyed on, but others may too, just to make a point, revenge etc.
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according to that article whites only rape whites because if a white convict rapes another or a hispanic rapes a black or a black rapes a hispanic a riot will happen, but if a white guy gets raped the white car wont cause a riot? here is an exert from that article:

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Past studies have documented the prevalence of black on white sexual aggression in prison.(213) These findings are further confirmed by Human Rights Watch's own research. Overall, our correspondence and interviews with white, black, and Hispanic inmates convince us that white inmates are disproportionately targeted for abuse.(214) Although many whites reported being raped by white inmates, black on white abuse appears to be more common. To a much lesser extent, non-Hispanic whites also reported being victimized by Hispanic inmates.

Other than sexual abuse of white inmates by African Americans, and, less frequently, Hispanics, interracial and interethnic sexual abuse appears to be much less common than sexual abuse committed by persons of one race or ethnicity against members of that same group. In other words, African Americans typically face sexual abuse at the hands of other African Americans, and Hispanics at the hands of other Hispanics. Some inmates told Human Rights Watch that this pattern reflected an inmate rule, one that was strictly enforced: "only a black can turn out [rape] a black, and only a chicano can turn out a chicano."(215) Breaking this rule by sexually abusing someone of another race or ethnicity, with the exception of a white inmate, could lead to racial or ethnic unrest, as other members of the victim's group would retaliate against the perpetrator's group. A Texas inmate explained, for example: "The Mexicans--indeed all latinos, nobody outside their race can 'check' one without permission from the town that, that person is from. If a black dude were to check a mexican w/out such permission & the mexican stays down & fights back, a riot will take place."(216)

The causes of black on white sexual abuse in prison have been much analyzed. Some commentators have attributed it to the norms of a violent black subculture, the result of social conditioning that encourages aggressiveness and the use of force.(217) Others have viewed it as a form of revenge for white dominance of blacks in outside society.(218) Viewing rape as a hate crime rather than one primarily motivated by sexual urges, they believe that sexually abused white inmates are essentially convenient surrogates for whites generally. Elaborating on this theory, one commentator surmised that "[i]n raping a white inmate, the black aggressor may in some measure be assaulting the white guard on the catwalk."(219)

Some inmates, both black and white, told Human Rights Watch that whites were generally perceived as weaker and thus more vulnerable to sexual abuse. An African American prisoner, describing the situation of incarcerated whites, said:

When individuals come to prison, they know that the first thing that they will have to do is fight. Now there are individuals that are from a certain race that the majority of them are not physically equip to fight. So they are the majority that are force to engage in sexual acts.(220)

Another African American inmate, while generally agreeing with the idea of whites as easy victims, gave a more politically-oriented explanation for the problem of black on white sexual abuse:

Before I continue, let me explain that I consider myself to be speaking from mainly a black perspective. The reason I say that is not to be racist, but to emphasize that on the main, blacks, whites, hispanics, etc. . . . have a different outlook on prison rape from a convict viewpoint. Most [blacks] feel that the legal system is fundamentally racist and officers are the most visible symbol of a corrupt institution & with good reason . . . . [b]lacks know whites often associate crime with black people. They see themselves as being used as scapegoats . . . . So is it any wonder that when a white man comes to prison, that blacks see him as a target. Stereotypes are prevalent amongst blacks also that cause bad thinking. The belief that all or most white men are effete or gay is very prevalent, & that whites are cowards who have to have 5 or 6 more to take down one dude . . . . Whites are prey and even a punk will be supported if he beats up a white dude.

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Cruel and unusual punishment in American prisons
Reviewed by Jared Taylor

There are probably more men than women raped in the United States every year -- most of them in prison. Best estimates put the annual number of prison rapes at about 140,000, which is 50,000 more than the 90,000 or so rapes of women reported to police. Gang rape of the most brutal kind is common, and weaker prisoners often seek protection from a "daddy" who fights off other predators in exchange for total submission and sex on demand. There is an ugly racial dimension to prison rape : Blacks and Mexicans deliberately seek out white victims, and black-on-white rape is probably more common than any other kind. Prison rape is an appalling secret in a country that prides itself on human rights.

One reason there is so much prison rape is that Americans refuse even to think about it. The sheer brutality of it and the racial hatred that so often drives it are too gruesome to face. To its immense credit, a lefty organization called Human Rights Watch has done a serious prison-rape study and has published its findings in a book-length report called "No Escape". Human Rights Watch ordinarily specializes in trendy causes : opposition to landmines, the death penalty, and alleged violence against homosexuals in American schools. In this case, it has taken on the most untrendy of subjects, and describes inmate rape and hatred for whites -- in unflinching detail. It solicited accounts of rape by advertising in "Prison Legal News and Prison Life" -- magazines that have high circulation in prisons -- and reaped a wealth of first-hand horror stories.

There is considerable variation from one prison system to another, and among different prisons within the same system, but the general picture that emerges is of a world of constant violence. As one prisoner explains in "No Escape" :

"When a new inmate enters an open barracks prison it triggers a sort of competition among the convicts as to who will seduce and subjugate that new arrival ... Every new arrival is a potential victim. Unless the new arrival is strong, ugly, and efficient at violence, they are subject to get seduced, coerced, or raped ... Psychosocially, emotionally, and physically the most dangerous and traumatic place I can conceive of is the open-barracks prison when first viewed by a new inmate."

The only sure defense against rape is the willingness to fight, and even this may be no protection against gang assault. In many prisons a small, unaggressive white is sure to be raped, probably by blacks or Hispanics. As one prison guard explains, a young white has "almost zero" chance of escaping rape "unless he's willing to stick someone with a knife and fortunate enough to have one." Some of the tougher inmates may even fight each other for the chance to rape an effeminate young white.

Rape is so common it has its own terminology. To rape a heterosexual man and turn him into a sexual plaything is to "turn him out," and the victim is known as a "turnout" or "punk." If a turnout seeks the protection of another inmate to avoid an endless series of rapes by other prisoners, he is "riding with" his protector. He becomes essentially the property of his protector and is known as his "bi**h" or "ho" or "boy."

One inmate uses the lingo to explain the importance of violence : "If you're knocked down and don't get up you're a 'ho'; you have to ride." An essential quality in prison is "heart," or a man's willingness to keep fighting long after he is clearly beaten. As inmates explained to Human Rights Watch, a real man "would die before giving up his anal virginity." A man who will not fight is a "punk" who deserves humiliation and exploitation.

The racial dynamic in prisons puts whites at a tremendous disadvantage. First, whites are often outnumbered by both blacks and Hispanics. But far more important, just as they show no racial solidarity in "the free world," whites in prison do not band together to protect each other from predators. As "No Escape" reports, Hispanics sometimes rape Hispanics, and blacks sometimes rape blacks, but neither group permits anyone of another race to rape its own people. If a black tried to "turn out" a Mexican, the Mexicans would riot and try to kill him. Blacks also defend each other from white or Hispanic rapists. It is only whites -- unless they are known members of white racialist gangs who do stick together -- who are on their own and can be raped with impunity. It would be hard to think of a more cruel consequence of stripping whites of racial consciousness.

Some whites must choose between being the sex slave of one man or facing repeated assault. The stories they told "No Escape" read like nightmares :

"I had no choice but to submit to being Inmate B's prison wife. Out of fear for my life, I submitted to sucking his DELETED, being DELETED in my DELETED, and performing other duties as a woman, such as making his bed. In all reality, I was his slave ... I determined I'd be better off to willingly have sex with one person, than I would be to face violence and rape by multiple people. The most tragic part to this is that the person I chose to "be with" has AIDS.

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Anyone read the book The Hot house: Life Inside Leawenworth prison? It Focuses on 6 different inmates at Leavenworth, a couple of them AB. It was pretty interesting. The AB members were Dallas Scott and Thomas Silverstein. Scott told the story of how the group formed in the 1960s without ever actually saying he was a member. He basically said that several old school convicts got fed up with large groups of black and hispanic inmates beating and raping white inmates. The result was a full blown race war. It seems like the group was formed as a means of protection and survival and later morphed into the current model that we hear about today. Silverstein is still to this day locked in the basement of a maximum security federal prison ( Marion?) because he murdered two members of the DC Blacks prison gang and a Leavenworth corrections officer. He has not heard a human voice in years because the guards will not talk to him for murdering one of their own. There is also a fluorescent light shining 24 hours a day in his cell. He has become a model for prison rights advocates who say these kinds of conditions have made him even more mentally unstable. Here is a quote from the book that talks about the race war and ab member Dallas Scott:

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In the outside world the tatoos would have made Scott look like a circuis freak, but in Levenworth they were badges of honor, particularly one tatoo cut directly under his heart. It was a cloverleaf with the numbers 6-6-6 printed over it. Even fish knew what the tatoo represented. It was the insignia of the Aryan Brotherhood, the most savage white prison gang ever formed. The three sixes referred to a mark given by "the beast" - the antichrist, or son of satan.

The bureau's gang expert, Craig Trout, explained. "What we are dealing with is a profesional lifelong criminal... An AB member like Dalas Scott is actually doing a life sentence - only he's doing it on the installment plan, serving a few years at a time.

Of the prison gangs, the Aryan Brotherhood is the most secretive, and with good reason. Any member who betrays its secrets is automatically sentenced to die.

As we talked that morning, I noticed that Scott marked events in his life by prison incidents. "I hit the federal system the same year they executed the red Light bandit" he said. Seconds later, he added that something had happened. "About the same time as the race wars at San Quentin." When this was called to his attention, Scott Schrugged. "Ive never had much concept of life outside jail. I was twelve years old the first time I went in and haven't really been out long enough to know anything else but this life."

"As the years go by and you get older, you realize more and more that your life is considered a failure by society's standards," Scott continued. "You are a jailbird. You don't have any money, no house, no job, no status. In society's eyes you are a worthless piece of shit. Now, you can buy into what society says and decide you really are a piece of shit or you can say ,"fuck society, Ill live by my own rules. They aren't society's but they are mine and that's what I've done. In your society, I may not be anybody, but in here I am."

In 1966 he robbed a bank in California, was caught and sentence to San Quentin. At the time, San Quentin was in the midst of what prison officials now acknowledge was an all-out race war. The racial turmoil in the world outside prison, where fires were burning in Watts, Detroit, and Chicago, was magnified in San Quentin. Blacks and whites were stabbing one another, not because of anything anyone had done, but simply because of their skin color. "Your hate was at peak" Scott realled. "Your adrenaline was at a peak, everything was at a peak level all the time. It was like a jungle. You'd get yourself fired up, so by the time the cell doors opened, you'd be ready. You'd have a whole head of steam. You didn't have time to analyze or rationalize or philosophize, you just got strapped (got yourself a knife) and went out of your cell and did what you ahd to."

It was in this climate that the Aryan Brotherhood was born. Bureau officials claim that Dallas Scott was one of its founding members. I asked Scott if he recalled the birth of the AB, and without acknowledging that he was a member, he explained why the gang had formed at San Quentin. He didn't hide his racial attitude. "Whites are everyones natural enemies," he said. "Minorities stick together, but the white man by nature walks alone. I've seen whites sit by and watch a bunch of niggers attack a white kid in a cell. These yahoos were sitting there and thinking, "Goddamm, I'm shure glad its not me being fucked" but if one white guy had the courage to say 'hey leave the kid alone' and he stepped forward, then there was a good chance that the pack will back off. See people who herd together deep down are afraid of someone who has the balls to stand up on his own. Now I aint saying that the white man who stands up sint going to get his ass kicked. But when he stands up, he's letting everyone know that he's willing to do what it takes, and get killed if necessary, because he dont like what's going down, and that is intimidating to someone who runs in a herd like blacks do.

"At San Quentin the herds were getting out of hand and a bunch of old white bulls simply said "fuck this" and they decided to stand up, and you can be damm shure that when these old bulls formed the tip (Aryan Brotherhood), there were a bunch of white guys, who either weren't strong enough on their own or were afraid, who were damm glad."

Scott's explanation, it turned out was largely based on fact. The Aryan Brotherhood originally formed to protect white inmates from being victimized by black and hispanic prison gangs. The Black Guerilla Family, a militant, black revolutionary gang with ties to the Black Panther party, was the first known prison gang, and was strong at San Quentin at the time. Chicanos were divided into two gangs: The Mexican Mafia, composed of urban Hispanics from Maravilla section of East Los ANgeles, and their hated rivals, the Nuestra Familia (Our family), made up of rural Chicanos. The Black and Hispanic gangs preyed on whites, as well as on memebrs of their own race.

A study by the criminal Intelligence section of Arizona Department of public safety later suggested that several outlaw bikers who called themselves the Diamond Tooth Gang were the forerunners of the Aryan Brotherhood. The gang members, each of whom had diamond shaped pieces of glass embedded in his front teeth, tried to recruit other whites at San Quentin but failed to attract sufficient "soldiers". Next came the Blue Bird gang, soc alled because its members had bluebirds tatooed on their necks, but it didn't last. The Aryan Brotherhood was born when remnants of the Blue Birds joined forces with several neo-Nazi groups. It is unlikely that it would have survived, either, except for an unusual tactic adopted by its original members. Blacks and Hispanics had always relied on numbers for strengh, and routinely pressered new inmates to join. The Aryan Brotherhood took the opposite tack. It based its membership on each others physical strengh and willingness to kill. Anyone who wished to join the AB had to meet a "blood in, blood out" rule.

As soon as it was organized, members of the AB put themselves under what they called "kill on sight" orders. When the cell doors at San Quentin opened each morning, AB members were required to hunt down and attack black inmates regardless of whether theybelonged to a gang. The white gang was xonvinced that the best way to keep other gangs at bay was to prove that the Aryan Brotherhood was the most ruthless and savage gang in prison.

California prison officials do not know the precise time when this kill on sight order went into effect. But in 1970, the California system began seeying a dramatic increase in gang related violence. Seventy nine gang related assaults and eleven deaths were reported that year. In 1971, there were 123 assaults and ninteen deaths and in the following yearm 186 assaults and thirty four gang related deaths. The Aryan Brotherhood was not solely responsible for the increases, but among convicts in San Quentin it did earn a reputation for being bloodthirsty. Its founding members, estimated by prison officials to be one hundred men, tolerated "zero disrespect" from other inmates. Even a casual comment about the brotherhood could result in a stabbing if members felt "their" brothers had been insulted.

Legend has it that the best and most respected AB warriors at San Quentin had tatoos of fierce Norsemen drawn on their arms. I noticed that Scott had a Norseman tatoo, among many others on his forearm.

When black militancy began to wane in the mid seventies, the various gangs decided to sign a truce. This brought to a close what convicts called the California race wars, but none of the gangs disperced. The politically motivated Black Guerilla Family was eventually replaced by the drug dealing bloods and cripps. The AB developed into an organized predatorial gang whose main interest became protectionm extortionm and narcotics in prison. The white gang also began to specialize in contract murders for other gangs and individuals, Caltabiano wrote, maintaining its savage reputation.

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