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Old 01-15-2020, 08:57 PM
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Exclamation Should he take his "papers" (PSI) with him to prison?

My son will be riding out either this week or next for his first ever stint in prison. He just called me worried about "papers" his psi namely. Some inmates are saying dont bring them others are saying he needs to. He already has a cover story for his charges that will match if anyone looks him up. He is terrified and I honestly don't know what advice to give him. Any inputs orthoughts out there? I figured this would be the best place for me/him to ask. Thanks
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:03 PM
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I read a lot before my husband went in and while there was no talk really about having "papers" or not, there was a lot of talk about NOT lying about charges when asked inside, that alone can bring them more problems WHEN, not if, it's found out.

In my husband's experience he was "set straight" fairly early what the rules were and were and was given some lead way going in. For instance he went to eat once and he says "A huge dude" came up to him and asked him what he was doing... my dorky husband said "eating." The guy was like "No.... see that pole? You eat on the other side." Case closed... and settled. He had a few other issues like that but learned quickly. Also being an SO comes with a particular set of dangers that lying will make worse. Reality is that prison is full of SO, but they still aren't who is "running" them. He will be fine as long as he's honest and keeps his head down. It's likely he'll find his own "group" of others like him to hang out with for the most part and it's also likely that there is someone in that group that is a long timer who if your son becomes friends with no one will mess with, and in extension they won't mess with him either.
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Old 01-15-2020, 09:51 PM
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Thank you so much! I will pass your info along to him. This board is so amazing!
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My advice is to not lie or make excuses for his charges.
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Old 01-16-2020, 05:19 PM
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My advice is to not lie or make excuses for his charges.
He was advised by his county inmates to lie within the truth. For example he is charged with possession of child porn distribution and promotion (peep to peer files) and using a computer to commit a crime. So his "target" age group isnt on the website. It just says sexual offense other. So his cover story is that he had some pics of 16/17 yr olds that he thought were 18. A lie within the truth kinda. Are you saying he just come totally clean with his "target" age and eberything?
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:11 PM
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He should stay as invisible as possible until he figures out who he wants to associate with. He also needs to be wary of any inmates who approach him right away, acting like his best pals.

Your thoughts about his cover story are preferable, rather than providing additional specific details that will upset some other inmates. Even so, his "explanation" will most likely be considered to be an excuse, so the fewer details he provides, the better.

He is under no obligation to tell anyone anything, but if he is forced to show his papers, admitting to only what the papers reveal is the way to go. For some prisoners & COs, one SO is the same as another, and all are considered "child molesters", and that will never change.

There will be plenty of folks with that same SO label, especially with CP computer crimes, and many times SOs associate with each other. to stay safe. In federal prisons, except high security penitentiaries, the only time inmate's backgrounds/crimes became an issue was when an attempt was made to join a specific group of inmates, gang or not. If he chooses his friends wisely, he should experience far less drama.

Each prison is unique, and some are definitely better than others, so hopefully he will be assigned to one with lots of SOs, and fewer problems.
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Old 01-16-2020, 07:23 PM
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Thank you all for the info. You all have kept me and him from going over the edge. Much appreciated.
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Learning inmate etiquette matters. Here's a 2 page sticky about it in the loving a SO forum.
http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=592193
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He was advised by his county inmates to lie within the truth. For example he is charged with possession of child porn distribution and promotion (peep to peer files) and using a computer to commit a crime. So his "target" age group isnt on the website. It just says sexual offense other. So his cover story is that he had some pics of 16/17 yr olds that he thought were 18. A lie within the truth kinda. Are you saying he just come totally clean with his "target" age and eberything?
Don't lie. People on outside will look up info for those on inside. My comment would be "I broke the law". While in reception, I believe they tell people to flush their PSI.. In some of the MI prisons they are housing SO's in specific areas.
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I thought the hardest part of this whole situation was going to be waiting for the sentence to be handed down. However now I am waiting for the day that he "rides out". It is terrifying to know that he just won't be there one day when I go to visit. I understand the reason for them not telling us when they leave for security reasons. But it is tearing me up knowing that he will just be gone. How do you deal with the not knowing? I'm losing my s**t with the unknown.
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You live with the fact that for every day he is gone, it's one day sooner to him coming home. The "unknown" time is hard though. I spent my time keeping busy and writing every day whether I mailed them or not. In the same respect I am very much into and practice writing therapy for myself and have for years prior to this.

You make new goals, some small, some big. You have countdowns. Countdowns to the next call, countdowns to the next letter or email,...countdowns to the next visit.... whatever it takes.
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It is hard to wake up everyday having to pretend like everything in my world hasn't turned upside down. I don't lie and evetytime someone asks hey how you doin? I put on my best fake smile and lie through my teeth. Thank you Girl22472. I am slowly going mad it feels like.
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Its the simple things somehow he managed to get a call in to me! Best 15 minutes in my crazy life these last 6 months. I was happy to hear his voice but his voice was so sad and full of fear. But I'll take it. This is just so damn hard. I had sent him 3 or 4 letters that he may not get because I didn't know you are supposed to put their name and mdoc # in the upper right corner of every page. But at least he knows I wrote, now I just hope he gets them.
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You're right, it is the little things that get you through... the next letter, the next email, the next call, the next visit.... whatever it takes to get you through
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Its the simple things somehow he managed to get a call in to me! Best 15 minutes in my crazy life these last 6 months. I was happy to hear his voice but his voice was so sad and full of fear. But I'll take it. This is just so damn hard. I had sent him 3 or 4 letters that he may not get because I didn't know you are supposed to put their name and mdoc # in the upper right corner of every page. But at least he knows I wrote, now I just hope he gets them.
unless they've changed rules, doc# on envelope by name. all of my letters go thru without name/number on any pages. He will probably be quarantined while at Jackson. 23hr lock up- 1 hour out will be boring as heck for him at this point. keep writing those letters
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Someone once said if asked what you are in for, one could always say...felonious stupidity....and that wouldnt be a lie.

One thing, is dont ask anyone else why they are there, cause the next thing will be......and what did you do?
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Someone once said if asked what you are in for, one could always say...felonious stupidity....and that wouldnt be a lie.
This is true. A few weeks ago my husband said he could feel his intelligence "dripping" out of his ears while he was in there. I joked and told him not to come back an idiot... (I have always called him the smartest dumb man I know). He said "Why not? An idiot came in, it was my own stupid fault that got me here."

In fact, when he turned himself in he wore a shirt that had a television on it and it said "This just in... You are an idiot"
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