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Somehow we've overlooked the fact that these bills, if passed, will only alter / change Federal cases / facilities, not state. Some states have taken steps, made some reforms. Some more than others, but its a start.

One important tool, incentive, towards encouraging Federal inmates to work, to show up for classes & pay attention would be to reinstate parole. Give them something to work towards: Going home sooner.
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Somehow we've overlooked the fact that these bills, if passed, will only alter / change Federal cases / facilities, not state. Some states have taken steps, made some reforms. Some more than others, but its a start.

One important tool, incentive, towards encouraging Federal inmates to work, to show up for classes & pay attention would be to reinstate parole. Give them something to work towards: Going home sooner.
Unfortunately the prison system as a whole is too focused on punishment and punishing everyone, whether they partook in something or not, as opposed to positive reinforcement and incetivizing. 100% agree if they gave people something to work towards, they would be more motivated to make the effort and work towards getting out and being successful as opposed to going through the motions. Everyone but the government knows that negative reinforcement does not work and accomplishes nothing.
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Most state DOC's have parole, unlike the Federal system. In KY, inmates that work can earn 4 days a month off their sentence on top of 90 days for each 6 month program program they complete...and that's on top of Good Time. Federal isn't the only system with no parole. Florida DOC also does not have parole and I'm sure there are other states as well.

May I suggest that, if you haven't already, bookmark FAMM, SPLC, ACLU, Vera Institute of Justice. In order for criminal justice reform to happen in meaningful ways we all have to work together, with a common agenda and a united voice....and choose our battles carefully, prioritize.
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“The president sees that our prison system is not perfect". Gotta love that insightful quote from the article.

"inmates in federal prisons has swelled from 25,000 in 1980 to more than 205,000 in 2015, and taxpayer spending on federal inmates has increased from $330 million to $7.5 billion over that span". That's about exactly same number of inmates for just the state of California - we have reduced inmate numbers in the last few years. But California currently burns $12.5 Billion per year and growing by about $0.5 billion yearly. Feds could learn a lot from California about how to spend more money.

You're spot on about incentives. But it is difficult to design incentives correctly and get the desired behavior and results. There are fields of research on incentives particularly in the business world. Most organizations get incentives wrong, often resulting with behavior you don't want that cause more damage than good to an organization. You need talented people trained in that field to design and implement them properly.

Our prison systems presumably should be incentivizing rehabilitation to minimize recidivism and training to re-integrate in the outside world. They do a piss poor job and I don't hold high hopes that will change.

Reform to me is drastically cutting prison population and our out of control sentencing. Like get that 205,000 federal number down to 50,000 to 75,000. Same level of reductions with the states. Get them out as soon as is possible and safe to do so. Rehabilitate and train to re-integrate in controlled environments outside of prison where it can be done far more effectively.
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Most state DOC's have parole, unlike the Federal system. In KY, inmates that work can earn 4 days a month off their sentence on top of 90 days for each 6 month program program they complete...and that's on top of Good Time. Federal isn't the only system with no parole. Florida DOC also does not have parole and I'm sure there are other states as well.

May I suggest that, if you haven't already, bookmark FAMM, SPLC, ACLU, Vera Institute of Justice. In order for criminal justice reform to happen in meaningful ways we all have to work together, with a common agenda and a united voice....and choose our battles carefully, prioritize.
Thanks, already a member of FAMM and receive notifications from them and notifications every time there is a change to the bill sitting in the senate. I will have to check out the other sites.

I like that a Federal Inmate that passes the GED gets a $25 (I think that's the amount) bonus, but I don't think that goes far enough. A lot of the inmates don't care about the money, and a lot of them only go through the motions of the GED class, sign their name that they attended and put their heads down for the entire class. But having said that, if a student is rewarded for their work and passing their GED, and again I think that's a huge accomplishment, why not give them more than $25? Kick the ones who don't give a damn about coming, out of it. And, give other "rewards" for passing the test. Even if it's a day out early, or some sort of furlough or escorted furlough, but something. And for the tutors themselves, same thing. If a student of theirs passes, why not give something to motivate them as well? Whether it be a nominal monetary bonus, a day off their sentence, a day furlough (escorted or not), but something.

Again goes to the positive and negative reinforcement. It often makes me think about when our kids get report cards and rarely do you have a teacher make a positive comment on a report card when they've done something good, but if the student has done something bad, the teacher always takes the time to write something. There was a lot of turmoil in our school district this past Spring over our Superintendent, and it hit me that everyone bitches and complains to and about the teachers, but same deal, how often do they get the kudos they deserve. So, I emailed all of my kids teachers. Fortunately, some were redundant and sent a thank you note to them all about the impact they have had on my kids. I think I sent it to 18 people and all but maybe 2 went out of their way to either say something to me in person or email a response telling me how much it meant to them. That tiny gesture. It does mean a lot. So yes, positive reinforcement, incentives, motivation. Some will look at it as bribery, fine if that's how they want to look at it, but clearly what we have now, isn't fixing the problem.
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Positive reinforcement works for every other kind of animal besides humans. Gotta figure it's the most effective way for us too.

I'm tempted, when I read about a correctional officer saying "They're just animals", to write to him and say "Why don't you look up how good animal trainers work?".
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Transcript of meeting between the President and state governors about reform.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings...rm-roundtable/

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GOVERNOR BEVIN:* Mr. President, I just want to thank you again for convening this — not just once, not just twice, but on multiple occasions.* I had a chance to meet a number of folks around this table.* A comment was made early on, I think by you in your introductory comments, about the fact that this is a war where people can be lined up on the same side.
And the most powerful thing about this, and something I hope those of you in the media appreciate: I look at guys like John Bel Edwards in Louisiana.* Represents a different party than I do in Kentucky, in terms of our political affiliation, but this is something that we’re very much of like mind on.* And I think this transcends anything political.
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If there's hope for reform it will depend on people from different walks of life working together for changes that help everybody.

Collective action is the ONLY way things have ever changed. It's how we ended child labor, won the weekend, and the 8-hour workday.
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