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Just out of curiosity: would you support strip searches in the regular (non-prison) workplace as well? Sorry, but the example below is just too good.

It's not a rhetorical question. Recently (in 2016), a former Royal Canadian Mint employee was found guilty of smuggling $190K (probably in Canadian dollars, though) of gold in his rectum. He was not caught in the act but he was reported by his bank after he sold the gold and tried to deposit the cheques.

It may start this way, then eventually other employers may find a reason why searches are supposedly justified in their workplace too. Before we know it, this could become as common as background checks.

In my humble opinion, it doesn't have to be part of serving time, or working, or of anything else, and it was not always part of it. We get whatever the society is willing to accept, although individual members are indeed powerless if the society at large accepts it.
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Just out of curiosity: would you support strip searches in the regular (non-prison) workplace as well? Sorry, but the example below is just too good.

It's not a rhetorical question. Recently (in 2016), a former Royal Canadian Mint employee was found guilty of smuggling $190K (probably in Canadian dollars, though) of gold in his rectum. He was not caught in the act but he was reported by his bank after he sold the gold and tried to deposit the cheques.

It may start this way, then eventually other employers may find a reason why searches are supposedly justified in their workplace too. Before we know it, this could become as common as background checks.

In my humble opinion, it doesn't have to be part of serving time, or working, or of anything else, and it was not always part of it. We get whatever the society is willing to accept, although individual members are indeed powerless if the society at large accepts it.
No, I wouldn't suggest that stripping out mint employees on a regular basis be something we see as normal. But again, cheeking some coins is a far cry from the direct threat a weapon carries. I get your point, but honestly...prison isn't your standard work environment.

This is becoming an ethics argument when the OP was asking how to get around, or out, of a current standard operation. The response is, you don't. We can debate the practicality of it elsewhere, but none of that is going to help the OP at this stage.
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It's over in a flash, and in thought it's lacking dignity. But, there are people who have no qualms having unsheathed razorblades, with a tampon like string, or pieces of weapons in their cavities. This is a danger to YOU and everyone else. And no touching, that (in NY) would only be done Medical staff.And NO ONE likes performing it, it's a job that feeds your kids.
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At what point do they start? I was under the impression that my friend started getting them when he was still in local lockup.
Yes you get striped search during booking in to the county jail. Anytime you are in custody you are subject to being striped searched
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Just out of curiosity: would you support strip searches in the regular (non-prison) workplace as well? Sorry, but the example below is just too good.

It's not a rhetorical question. Recently (in 2016), a former Royal Canadian Mint employee was found guilty of smuggling $190K (probably in Canadian dollars, though) of gold in his rectum. He was not caught in the act but he was reported by his bank after he sold the gold and tried to deposit the cheques.

It may start this way, then eventually other employers may find a reason why searches are supposedly justified in their workplace too. Before we know it, this could become as common as background checks.

In my humble opinion, it doesn't have to be part of serving time, or working, or of anything else, and it was not always part of it. We get whatever the society is willing to accept, although individual members are indeed powerless if the society at large accepts it.
This is SO far-fetched! In that sort of situation a metal detector or x-ray scan would be appropriate given it's a government organization. Heck, even employees of the IRS are not allowed to bring in their cell phones for security reasons. You are reaching to make some correlation to the possibility of this being standard workplace procedure.

We are talking about prison here...and a security measure for staff and fellow inmates. Stop trying to make this more than it is.
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This is SO far-fetched! In that sort of situation a metal detector or x-ray scan would be appropriate given it's a government organization. Heck, even employees of the IRS are not allowed to bring in their cell phones for security reasons. You are reaching to make some correlation to the possibility of this being standard workplace procedure.

We are talking about prison here...and a security measure for staff and fellow inmates. Stop trying to make this more than it is.
And the prison staff are responsible for the safety of all prisoners. If someone's LO or family member gets their throat cut because their cell mate didn't get properly searched and brought in a razor they're not going to be happy about lax security.
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I didn't want to say anything about this any more because it's a little off topic, but since one of you said that a metal detector or x-ray scan would have been appropriate at the workplace in question, let me quote this from an article about him. He was sentenced in February and got 30 months, by the way.

Royal mint worker who smuggled $165K worth of gold gets 30 months in prison

"Lawrence set off the metal detector more often than any other mint employee without metal implants, Doody [the judge] said in his ruling. But follow-up searches with hand wands never discovered the smuggled gold hidden in his body cavity."

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But they aren't just talking about metal. They are talking about large quantities of drugs, weapons (metal and otherwise) and who knows what else. My husband goes through metal detectors numerous times every day so they are in place as well.

This has gotten ridiculous. Well it was from the start so....
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And the guy who brought this ill-thought plan up has not returned to read our wise advice.
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Everybody goes through strip searches. Good luck with your unrealistic, fantasyland plans on avoiding the inevitable. You’re going to make yourself a hi-visibility target that all the CO’s are going to just love tormenting.

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And the guy who brought this ill-thought plan up has not returned to read our wise advice.
At least not using the same name.
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At least not using the same name.
Very good point.
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Don't cause anxiety over things you cannot control. I can tell you from experience, the things you were most worried about turn out to be absolutely nothing. After a month or two it becomes normal and you simply do not care. You need to portray an attitude that you don't care. You do not want to stick out anymore than you have to.

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Very good point.
It was nice to see that people went ahead and gave good advice so that whether the op was real or not, there's some good advice there for anyone who might end up needing it.
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it may not be what you wanted to hear, but the advice given in this thread has been realistic, which is the most valuable advice you can receive when headed to prison. I spent eight years in federal prison, strip searches were quick and done with great disinterest by staff members. The only time they occurred were upon arrival and for visits. Staff members are bound by policy, many of which do not rank high on their list of favorite things to do.

The key to making the best of bad situation is to be respectful of both staff members and other prisoners while there. I hope you keep seeking good counsel prior to going in, and are able to pivot to preparing to make the best of your time while incarcerated. There are some very good posts on PTO about good planning steps to take prior to going in. Thanks for reaching out to the community! I learned a great deal from this site prior to serving my own sentence that made my life MUCH easier once it came time to serve my sentence.
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