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Old 07-17-2017, 02:47 AM
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Im not sure this is the correct place but I read through what they sent me, and I dont undestand. I looked around here and wasnt sure where to ask. No I am not asking you guys for money. I just need to know, if any of you ae aware: does g*f***me have rules that prohibit any account that benefits someone who is in custody? Like I said I tried looking at the guidelines that they sent me back when they said that they removed the account before it was even opened. I dont see anything written out that I violated.
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They do have rules against that. You can check out this thread. The information there might prove useful.
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The go fund me site rules are very clear you can not set up or use an account to support anyone alleged to be involved in criminal activity. Please check their website terms and conditions.
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Im not sure this is the correct place but I read through what they sent me, and I dont undestand. I looked around here and wasnt sure where to ask. No I am not asking you guys for money. I just need to know, if any of you ae aware: does g*f***me have rules that prohibit any account that benefits someone who is in custody? Like I said I tried looking at the guidelines that they sent me back when they said that they removed the account before it was even opened. I dont see anything written out that I violated.
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Hi If u still need info it is GoFundMe.com and everything u need is there, u will have to setup like a bank account to receive your donations. The administrator told me I couldn't post my go fund here. I hope this help u!!!
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Just to reaffirm we do not allow go fund me requests or
Any money requests to be posted on this site.
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Only if in the inmate in question is an illegal immigrant in ICE custody. Then it's OK to raise money for bail, legal fees, etc. Not sure why the double standard but it ticks me off and is the reason why I will never donate to gofundme.
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Only if in the inmate in question is an illegal immigrant in ICE custody. Then it's OK to raise money for bail, legal fees, etc. Not sure why the double standard but it ticks me off and is the reason why I will never donate to gofundme.
Not exactly. There are more limits.

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The following are examples of the kind of content and/or use that is illegal or prohibited by GoFundMe. However, this list is not exhaustive and GoFundMe reserves the right to investigate anyone by engaging public and private organizations, including, but not limited to collection agents, private investigators, and local, state, federal and applicable international agencies, and take appropriate action against anyone who, in GoFundMe's sole discretion, violates any of the terms or spirit of these Terms of Service (or the principles described in our preamble hereto), including, without limitation, removing the offending content, suspending or terminating the account of such violators, stopping payments to any such Campaign, freezing or placing a hold on donated funds when GoFundMe reasonably believes it to be required by applicable law, and reporting you to law enforcement authorities or otherwise taking appropriate legal action including seeking restitution on behalf of itself and/or its users. Without limiting the foregoing, you agree to not use the Services to:

in connection with any of the following activities or items, including by establishing or contributing to any Campaign with the implicit or express purpose relating to any of the following:
any activity that violates any law or governmental regulation industry requirements, or third-party guidelines or agreements to which you are a party, including from payment card providers and payment processors that you utilize in connection with the Services;
content or campaigns that are fraudulent, misleading, inaccurate, dishonest, impossible or imitating any other person or fundraising campaign (whether on the Platform or not);
illegal drugs, narcotics, steroids, controlled substances, pharmaceuticals or other products that make health claims that have not been approved or verified by the applicable local and/or national regulatory body, legal substances that provide the same effect as an illegal drug or other products that present a risk to consumer safety or any related equipment or paraphernalia;
knives, explosives, ammunition, firearms, or other weaponry or accessories;
annuities, investments, equity or lottery contracts, lay-away systems, off-shore banking or similar transactions, money service businesses (including currency exchanges, check cashing or the like), pyramid schemes, “get rich quick schemes” (i.e., Investment opportunities or other services that promise high rewards), network marketing and referral marketing programs, debt collection or crypto-currencies;
gambling, gaming and/or any other activity with an entry fee and a prize, including, but not limited to casino games, sports betting, fantasy sports, horse or greyhound racing, lottery tickets, raffle tickets, auctions and other ventures that facilitate gambling, games of skill or chance (whether or not it is legally defined as a lottery) or sweepstakes;
campaigns deemed by GoFundMe, in its sole discretion, to be in support of, or for the legal defense of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism, or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity, or serious disabilities or diseases;
activities with, in, or involving countries, regions, governments, persons, or entities that are subject to U.S. and other economic sanctions under applicable law, unless such activities are expressly authorized by the appropriate governmental authority;
funding a ransom, human trafficking or exploitation, vigilantism, bribes or bounty;

pornography or other sexual content;
offensive, graphic, perverse or sensitive content;
offering monetary rewards, including gift cards;
transactions for the sale of items before the seller has control or possession of the item;
collection of payments on behalf of merchants by payment processors or otherwise; including but not limited to self-payments on campaigns or an attempt to bypass or otherwise circumvent the designated method of payment as provided by GoFundMe;
credit repair or debt settlement services;
to receive or grant cash advances or lines of credit to yourself or to another person for purposes other than those purposes clearly stated in the Campaign;
publication or removal of content (such as mug shots), where the primary purpose of posting such content is to cause or raise concerns of reputational harm;
sale or resale of a service without added benefit to the buyer; resale of government offerings without authorization or added value;
aggregation of funds owed to third parties, factoring, or other activities intended to obfuscate the origin of funds;
counterfeit music, movies, software, or other licensed materials without the appropriate authorization from the rights holder;
products or services that directly infringe or facilitate infringement upon the trademark, patent, copyright, trade secrets, or proprietary or privacy rights of any third party;
unauthorized sale or resale of brand name or designer products or services;
sale of goods or services that are illegally imported or exported;
processing where there is no bona fide donation accepted; card testing; evasion of card network chargeback monitoring programs;
collecting or providing funds for any purpose other than as described in a Campaign description; or
any other activity that GoFundMe may deem in its sole discretion to be unacceptable.
Is this a wise choice for funding? Dunno. Guess it depends on the depth and breadth of your friends and family, along with your expectations.
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Let's read gofundme's TOS:
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Without limiting the foregoing, you agree to not use the Services to:

A. in connection with any of the following activities or items, including by establishing or contributing to any Campaign with the implicit or express purpose relating to any of the following:

7. campaigns deemed by GoFundMe, in its sole discretion, to be in support of, or for the legal defense of alleged crimes associated with hate, violence, harassment, bullying, discrimination, terrorism, or intolerance of any kind relating to race, ethnicity, national origin, religious affiliation, sexual orientation, sex, gender or gender identity, or serious disabilities or diseases;
...doesn't say you can't for all alleged crimes/criminals, doesn't say you can. Doesn't specifically say you can for an illegal immigrant in ICE custody, doesn't say you can't.

What it does say is in its sole discretion: gofundmeTOS

EDIT: I spent too much time reading the TOS...yourself beat me to it
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I would think that would be covered at the very beginning of the TOS:

"Without limiting the foregoing, you agree to not use the Services to:

in connection with any of the following activities or items, including by establishing or contributing to any Campaign with the implicit or express purpose relating to any of the following:
any activity that violates any law"

Any activity that violates any law. Like crossing the border illegally. I mean, I'm no expert in legal jargon, but what I do know is that I tried to raise bail money for my fiancé and I was shut down almost immediately, while campaigns for bail for ICE detainees were allowed to continue.

I don't approve of the way gofundme uses it's discretion to allow bail fundraising only for illegal immigrants and I will never give them a dime.
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Any activity that violates any law. Like crossing the border illegally. I mean, I'm no expert in legal jargon, but what I do know is that I tried to raise bail money for my fiancé and I was shut down almost immediately, while campaigns for bail for ICE detainees were allowed to continue.
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I don't approve of the way gofundme uses it's discretion to allow bail fundraising only for illegal immigrants and I will never give them a dime.
If I had to hazard a guess, I'm assuming GoFundMe allows campaigns for asylum seekers who are being held in ICE facilities. These are refugees who have broken no laws, but were simply trying to claim asylum here in the US, but were detained due to "zero tolerance laws" imposed by the current administration.

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Btw, a criminal trial or a detention hearing is to determine whether a person has broken the law or is rightfully detained. The hearing itself, and the defense associated with it would not be against the law. We try not to convict somebody of a crime before there is a finding of guilt.

And yes, let’s remember, a lot of people are in detention with ICE not because they crossed illegally, but because they are claiming asylum. Asylum has nothing to do with quotas or lottery systems or waiting for a visa. It has everything to do with fleeing a regime where you stand the risk of death or great bodily injury staying. So, back when the USSR was a thing, if a citizen of that country came to the US as part of a ballet or something, that person could ask for asylum the moment his feet hit the ground. No visa, no lottery, no waiting for documents to get in order.

Had a case about 15 years ago where an athlete from Cuba came to the US for the Pan Am games in her sport. She disappeared from the hotel, somehow getting around the “coaches” and “trainers”. She popped up a few miles away, scared to death that her “coaches” and “trainers” would find her and haul her back to Cuba where she would be imprisoned, and tortured for her attempted escape. A few hours later, she was in the office of an attorney, somebody from the Cuban Refugee community was there, and we were coordinating things with the State Department to get her Refugee status and sever her ties with Castro's government. She now coaches Olympic hopefuls in her sport in the Miami area.

This inability for people to understand that these are refugees is infuriating. We are not talking about students overstaying their visa, vacationers overstaying their visas, or people crossing into Texas so that they can get food stamps (they can’t - gotta have a valid green card or proof of citizenship), HUD housing (can’t get that, either), or any of the other government programs that people think illegals are leeching from. Asylum seekers get a hand up the moment they come to this country (before trump) because they usually left in haste, unable to pack U Haul with all of their possessions, empty their bank account, and move here the way somebody who won the lottery would.

Today, because of zero tolerance, Asylum seekers are treated pretty much just like felons released from prison into ICE custody to await their deportation hearing. Hazard that for a moment - it's like fleeing a natural disaster only to be thrown in jail until a court gets around to figuring out if you were right to flee the likes of Hurricane Katrina.

Back to the subject; a court proceeding is not the same as endorsing or committing a crime. Bail is not the same as a finding of guilt. Crowd sourcing for a defense, an attorney, or bail may or may not be a good thing, though it depends on the individual case. Could somebody who was charged with treason for say colluding with the russians crowdsource on GoFundMe? Yes. However, GoFundMe may have a problem with it. Further, a defense that propagated racist or other abhorrent ideals contrary to gofundme's TOS, or the political/Business climate of the time could be refused. So, the guy in Charlottesville - the crying nazi dude, GoFundMe would probably have a problem with funds going to him, or his defense as it would cast the site in a light counter to its corporate image.

Make sense? For the most part, GoFundMe doesn’t care. Big enough case with particularly distasteful facts, and they could refuse you.
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