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Old 05-26-2015, 06:15 PM
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My son got 6 - 30 years as a second time offender the plea was he would plea guilty to both charges meth lab and procession of meth and in turn he would get Drug Court, he was screened by Drug Court and excepted the judge that started with the case retired a couple months before court, the new Judge said if anyone needed a program it was my son but swift and sure which is another drug program for high risk felons was full so then he said 6 -30 years my son went white and looked so lost broke my heart. We have appealed the appeals attorney said his case was more about did he get a fair shake,
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Old 05-26-2015, 07:45 PM
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After reading all these stories, and being involved in many prison ministry groups since my son has been in, my question is what can we do about it? Support and venting are great but it doesn't change it. This country has gone incarceration happy, and it needs to stop. Too many peoples lives are completely ruined and thrown away. My son also has a mental illness and they have taken his meds away. He is having all kinds of anger/emotional problems which happens without the meds, and they have been alerted to it by his therapist, but they just look the other way. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get organized?
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Old 05-27-2015, 08:24 AM
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After reading all these stories, and being involved in many prison ministry groups since my son has been in, my question is what can we do about it? Support and venting are great but it doesn't change it. This country has gone incarceration happy, and it needs to stop. Too many peoples lives are completely ruined and thrown away. My son also has a mental illness and they have taken his meds away. He is having all kinds of anger/emotional problems which happens without the meds, and they have been alerted to it by his therapist, but they just look the other way. Does anyone have any ideas of how to get organized?

If someone figures out what to do about this, I will be happy to put myself out there to help. My youngest son about 5 yrs ago was tried as a adult for playing doctor with his step cousin, got 1yr in jail, has to register as a sex offender for life. He was 15 when this happened. He also is mentally ill. That was not taken into consideration at all. Since he only had a public defender he was forced to take a plea. Since he's been out, his whole life has been changed. Where he was planning collage, to get a degree in culinary arts, he's having to work for minimum wage at a subway. And grateful for that! His personally has changed, he's not the same young man at all!
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Old 05-27-2015, 09:56 AM
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I agree with you on the Megan's law. Know some good people who have been accused of it. Sickening life long effects of it. Know someone who was accused of it and is from Russia. When he is out, he is going back to Russia to live because he says it's better there. Does anyone know of a group that is working on plea bargains and/or Megans Law, I would love to know. There is power in numbers and those of us who feel so inclined should join forces so we have a bigger voice.
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Old 06-07-2015, 11:41 AM
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my husband took a plea was suppose to be 1 year in a min security and then 10 years of probation. First time offender never been in trouble be for and way only 21 at time of sentencing. but then when the day came to take this deal to the judge she laughed and threw the deal out and sent my husband to prison on a 2 to life term. he has now spent 6 1/2 years in prison. no one ever told us that the judge could ignore a plea deal and do what ever she wanted or we would have never taken the deal (
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Old 08-27-2015, 02:12 AM
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i took a plea for 10 i was facing 15 to life for drug charges.. my first time ever going to court ..
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reading all these stories and experiencing the same exact thing with my boyfriend makes me sick to my stomach. he would tell me things about how the system was messed up and rigged like this, and I listened to his ($30K) attorney and convinced him to take a plea because he was facing life in prison if he went to trial.

my story is no greater or much different from all posted so I'll stop myself from ranting. I just wish there was something we could do to change it. it's so wrong that you have to have money and/or social influence in order to get justice.
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Old 02-19-2016, 12:46 AM
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I think what pisses me off the most is the way everyone judges people who go to prison and don't think twice about how fucked up the justice system is because it doesn't directly affect their lives. SO many people don't realize if/when the charges they read are all part of a bullshit plea that someone was basically forced to take. and all those people make up the majority of America, which is why I feel hopeless about anything ever changing
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Old 04-21-2017, 05:08 AM
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Hi, my fiancé caught two charges. One in 2012 for Man/Del 4-200g (heroin), and he did around 15 months back time on that charge. Then in 2015, he caught another charge for Poss CS 4-200 ( Meth) . He had two court appointed attorneys, one for each charge. Before his court date, one of these Atty. called and told me to make sure his mother, and sister showed up to court. I thought it a curious thing to ask, but I let them know he requested they be there. As soon as we got there I realized why! The Atty asked his mother, and sister to write a note to him begging him to take the offer! I had just recently had a charge dismissed because I refused to sign, so we knew this was possible. But, this attorney got his mother, and sister so upset , and they continued to beg, and cry! And, I believe this is why he relented, and signed. He had 15 months back time on the first charge, and told his Atty he would "only agree to sign if this Atty made sure he got credit for said backtime." Of course, we never heard from the Atty again, even after I showed up to his office! Instead my fiancé got two 9 year sentences, that were supposed to be consecutive, but are treated like they are stacked, because he has two parole qualification dates, and his backtime was not applied, or he would of been eligible for parole earlier then he was. Texas Atty's are shady and can't be trusted for sure!
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Old 04-21-2017, 08:45 AM
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They did my son the same way-they got him to take a deal and then they stuck it to him. He had a drug problem and just couldn't shake it. He burglarized a house where I live in Tifton, GA. The judge that sentenced him was a relative of the person he burglarized so they threw the book at him. They gave him a very long sentences and band him from Tift County and all the counties around where we live. He got cancer in prison and they still wouldn't let him come home to die. They didn't even let us know when he was close to death so we could go and see him. I lived 200 miles from the prison he was in so it was hard for me to get to see him. Just before he died I had sent him $100.00 worth of food-he never got to eat any of it. The guards took it and ate it themselves. I had a hard time getting my money back from the prison. I didn't care about the money it was the issue that the prison was just so crooked. My son was on chemo and the doctor said for the prison to give him something to eat besides bologna sandwiches but cause it burned his mouth and he couldn't eat it. So they basically starved him to death. There is nothing I can do about it. Helpless!!!! Dot
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Old 05-24-2017, 08:20 AM
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Good day, all!
Keep the faith! Stay focused.
how many of you had a loved one talked into a plea bargain? Usually under threat of being "buried in prison", like our son. Please specify FED or STATE, and let me know a little bit about the background if you don't mind. I'm getting ready to try and talk a really great professor into doing a presentation on plea bargains in the federal system to put in front of the us sentencing commission.
thank you!
I wish it were not a fact but it is. How is everyone?
My 17 year old son is autistic and he got into a fight at school because he was assaulted while trying to protect his younger brother from being bullied.
During the fight, a police officer was injured and my son was arrested for assaulting the officer although no one knew how he was injured.
Anyway, to make a long story short, the public defender was trying to get my son to sign a plea deal. I told him there was video footage that proves my son didn't assault the officer and the lawyer told me in order to get the footage my son had to be indicted! I asked question after question and the lawyer said to me that he didn't have to answer my questions because I wasn't his client and when I said to him that my son is a 17 year old autistic young man he ignored me and continued to do so.
I tried talking to him and he either ignored me or said something mean, and then would deliberately turn around continuing to tell my son to take the plea.
I called him a racist and he said he wasn't, but what would you called his blatant disrespect toward me and my son.
The plea was, admit to guilt and do 3 months in county jail. My son is an A student, an athlete, and hard working and it took me years to get him to even want to socialize. He still has a hard time with social cues but he hides it well. He may be somewhat high functioning but it doesn't change the fact that he is on the pdd spectrum.
The public defender refused to talk to me and I was out of time and options, and no one else would help us. My son is graduating hs in June and he was admitted into college (I was so happy giving the circumstances of autism). He was baited into signing the plea deal behind my back because I was too sick to go to court.
There was a 17 year old Caucasian girl who was to to not come without her parents and the judge said that he couldn't see the case without her parents present, but within the same hour, you tell me my African American presence is unnecessary for my 17 year old child! This system is corrupted and a good young man's life could possibly get destroyed over the color of his skin! His sentencing is June 8,2017 and I am completely stressed.
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I wish my friend took the plea bargain. He was charged in Florida by the feds with some drug charges and I think a conspiracy charge and a felon in possession of a firearm charge. The Assistant US Attorney that prosecuted the case offered him a plea bargain. The offer was plead guilty to the charges and the government promised that they would not file any additional charges. The government also promised not to object to my friend being sentenced to the low end of the sentencing guidelines, which meant he would probably receive about 21 years in prison. The US Attorney told my friend that if he turned down the deal, they would file more charges, including some 924(c) gun charges that carry draconian mandatory sentences that, by law, must run consecutive to any other sentences imposed. (Google "924c stacking")

21 years seemed like an eternity to my 30 year-old friend. He foolishly decided to go to trial with his public defender. The jury deliberated about 2 hours before finding him guilty of almost all the charges against him. He was sentenced to 90 years in prison. He will be 107 years-old when he is released. I think my friend will be in his late 70s when he is eligible to be housed in something other than a high security prison.

My friend appealed, of course. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed his convictions and sentences. He then filed a pro se 2255 motion for post-conviction relief. Last month that motion was denied and the judge did not issue a certificate that would allow an appeal. I'm not really sure if this means that my friend has exhausted all of his appeals. Sadly, I think my friend will most likely die in a federal prison. If he had taken the original plea bargain offered by the government, he would have been in his early 50s when he got out of prison.

Thank you for letting me write about this. I like this website. It helps to be able to talk to people that are going through similar experiences.

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Dirty Hippie, welcome to Prison Talk and thank you for sharing the story about your friend. I am always horrified by the American sentences (I am in Northern Europe). I hope your friend finds some kind of purpose and peace with his life; hopefully also at some point in the coming years/decades his situation could change for better....as long as there's life, there's hope (I hope!)
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I wish my friend took the plea bargain. He was charged in Florida by the feds with some drug charges and I think a conspiracy charge and a felon in possession of a firearm charge. The Assistant US Attorney that prosecuted the case offered him a plea bargain. The offer was plead guilty to the charges and the government promised that they would not file any additional charges. The government also promised not to object to my friend being sentenced to the low end of the sentencing guidelines, which meant he would probably receive about 21 years in prison. The US Attorney told my friend that if he turned down the deal, they would file more charges, including some 924(c) gun charges that carry draconian mandatory sentences that, by law, must run consecutive to any other sentences imposed. (Google "924c stacking")

21 years seemed like an eternity to my 30 year-old friend. He foolishly decided to go to trial with his public defender. The jury deliberated about 2 hours before finding him guilty of almost all the charges against him. He was sentenced to 90 years in prison. He will be 107 years-old when he is released. I think my friend will be in his late 70s when he is eligible to be housed in something other than a high security prison.

My friend appealed, of course. The 11th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed his convictions and sentences. He then filed a pro se 2255 motion for post-conviction relief. Last month that motion was denied and the judge did not issue a certificate that would allow an appeal. I'm not really sure if this means that my friend has exhausted all of his appeals. Sadly, I think my friend will most likely die in a federal prison. If he had taken the original plea bargain offered by the government, he would have been in his early 50s when he got out of prison.

Thank you for letting me write about this. I like this website. It helps to be able to talk to people that are going through similar experiences.


It is my view that prosecutors will hang you if you turn down their plea deal. Remember folks, they’re doing your a huge favor! Some take it very personally.
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My lady ended up with a 6 yr plea deal on charges for drugs found under her passenger seat the passenger whos drugs they were did not admit to them and they were both arrested. they both are in prison both took a deal. But thats was only after they sat in county jail for over a year with no court date in site... but its not just with drugs they pull that shit on. I myself have charges i agreed and signed to that i was not guilty of due to being offered time served. When the jail has your class b set at 80,000 bucks unless you have 15 to 18 grand laying around you are stuck. Ended up doing 4 1/2 months and a plea deal for a crime i still have no clue as of the details to. My jaw hit the table at my court appointed's reply when i asked well what happens if i do not sign? why sign to something i know nothing of? he replied well how did you like these 4 months? ready to do 4 more? The whole system is wack. we have had a president who has been on MTV and did all but brag about his illegal drug use but claims "it was relaxed" we guess what buddy you now have the power to make it "relaxed" everywhere and well of course he was to stupid to see we are still locking folks up and taking away rights for thinks the president has done and admitted to doing... Kind of a sorry message that speaks. Get caught with drugs become a criminal and a felon dont get caught become president.. does not say anything to help addiction. but they do not want to cure addiction then our government would lose their human traffic/ slave ring they have going by locking up non violent "dope heads" and mentally insane. Our court system is a disgrace and it blows my mind Americans are not fully aware of the facts because if they were there would be riots in the streets until it was fixed... sorry a fragile subject for me lol.... i have done tons and tons of research
on this whole war on drugs and i wish you the best of luck with your efforts
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