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Old 11-07-2003, 09:05 AM
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Hi Shiningdrum,

I have to say I am moved by your post. I have not known my soulmate out here I met him while doing research for a paper a few years back. We wrote for awhile and I connected to him through those letters.
I was abondoned by my Mom when I was 13 and have been alone ever since. Well except, I fell in love with someone when I was 14 who I ran with until he died. He ruined my chances of connecting out here in ways it seemed because we spent our time running all over the USA free toghther. I learned who I am through our travels. It seemed as I got older I was watching my soul die. Then I found in Ryan (Ryan is in prison) the free side of my self. He worked on the boats in Alaska and camped most of his last few free years. He had Chief stause in the prison he trasfered from and he is connected to himself and walks the red road as well as he can. I see a man who deserves my love and I know that if he were here I would want to be with him. I haven't wanted to be with a guy in a long time. Ryan has taught me alot about love. I don't understand it all yet but I know that somehow it all makes sense. We have a connection throuh birds and dreams.
Here I am inviting this situation in my life. You on the other hand have known your Husband out here. He has life you say. Ryan has 30 with 18 to go. I want you to know that I realize how strong you have to be to keep the balance for yourself. I realize that people deserve to be loved no matter where they might live. I also realize what a gift you must be in his life.
Do you guys try to connect through dreams and other spiritual means? I was born into that kind of thing so I have known about connetions and travel all my life but through Ryan I am actually learning to understand it all. I would like to hear what you have to say about that. It would be nice to chat about travels because I really am alone in my thoughts with Ryan except with Ryan and his Mother. Nobody understands my feelings for him as far as friends and family. Here I am thinking about marrying him and yet I can't even discuss him with a friend without an argument starting. Anyway I would like to know more about you.

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Old 11-07-2003, 09:51 AM
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Welcome to the newbies. I am so happy to see some new "faces" around. My husband and I met while he was inside. He's got 10 years, he's been down 7, with 3+ more to go. His out date is Aug. 06.
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Old 11-07-2003, 11:38 AM
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A poem I wrote for Ryan

My secret is the way I feel even when I'm down
You see I found someone to love
And we are always laughing around
I walk in away that's hard to understand
Her spirit guides me when my feet are in her sand
I could pretend it's all so new to me
But Ryan, I love you like the sea
I saw this coming for a long, long time
And now your pain is kind of mixed with mine
Tempers flare when your hearts left out in the cold
You know a lonley heart like mine
Has a way of feeling old
The maddness doesn't seem so hard to understand
Now that I have my heart sitting in the palm of your hand
I could pretend it's all so new to me
But Ryan, I love you like the sea
I saw this coming for a long, long time
Now your pain is kind of mixed with mine

The time your spending gone is hard to give away
The world seems to just move on
As we both learn to connect and prey
Spiritual feelings somehow cover up the lust,
The suffering is really just another form of trust
I could pretend it's all so new to me
But Ryan, I love you like the sea
I saw this coming for a long, long time
And now your pain is kind of mixed with mine

The morning dew softly gathering on my flesh
Lights a fire that burns strong
As I think of the condensation of your breath
The walls around you seem to diasapear
I know they can't become my master game of fear
I could pretend it's all so new to me
But Ryan, I love you like the sea
I saw this coming for a long, long time
And now your pain is kind of mixed with mine

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Old 11-08-2003, 03:20 PM
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hello- just wanted to post a site to explore for your language,etc. it is www.indigenous-language.org i clicked in left menu on teaching materialsthen on top of new screen it will say 'choose language' good luck
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Old 11-10-2003, 10:01 AM
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Thanks for that, shortstuff. BTW...I'm short too.
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Hi Fellow Native Americans

I hope I am not intruding. It seems I've just discovered this forum today, but I must admit I read quite a lot of very interesting and informative things throughout the different threads you started. Besides, you all look like a bunch of friendly peaceful people.

I would like to ask you a question if you don't mind. What exactly is the "Red Road" ?? Is it something common to all Natives, or is it a one tribe specificity ?? Also, what are those "Circles" you all mention ??

Please, if you feel I don't have to ask such questions, feel free not to answer. I don't want to offend anyone.

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Old 12-08-2003, 10:10 AM
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Hi Phil:
The Red Road, as many of us call our walk is similar to a Christian calling their belief system their "walk with God". It's just what we call our Ways...our Native Spiritual Ways, that is. It's sort of slang, if you will.

You are not intruding...don't ever feel that way. As long as people respect our Ways, we don't mind answering questions...unless it's about sacred things.

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Hau Kola's

Its is more the canku luta than just being used as a slang,it is way of life which goes way deeper than that and not all Indian although many tend to think so follow the red road at all,some have other beliefs,some have been caught in the ways of the vast majority. If you wish to learn more I would suggest that you read the book about the late Sicangu Lakota Holy Man - John Fire Lame Deer - seeker of visions. The stories was told to a man called Richard Erdoes and the book came in 1972 with the title: Lame Deer,Seeker of Visions
by John Fire Lame Deer and Richard Erdoes.
This bok shed light into many things and most of all take away the sterotype ideas of american Indians.
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Old 12-08-2003, 03:29 PM
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Thank you very much for your inputs Wendy and Winyan.

I will definitely look for this book.

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Hi everybody,

just wanted to introduce myself. I am fairly new to this forum, as I only found this website about a week ago. It is so interesting and I have found a lot of useful information already. Now it is time to say hello to all Native American people here! I myself am European, a woman from Austria, but my fiance is a Native American from South Dakota. We are planning to get married this year.

He was in prison for 12 years, and is now out on supervised parole. In prison he learned to cherish the traditional ways of his people, participated in the sweat lodge and other ceremonies they were allowed to have. Since he went back home to the reservation where all his family lives, he has been struggling and lost touch with his spirituality. Right now he is trying to get in touch with it all again. I hope that he will find his way back to the Red Road again, because he said it helped him so much to get through his time in prison.

Anyway, it is nice to have a forum for a Native American group here.
Thanks everybody for this great place to meet nice people!
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I had heard that was true, but was hoping it was not. Something will have to be done to change this. I have also heard Amerind inmates have to cut their hair, though Rastafarians are not required to do the same. There's definitely something wrong here.

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Skeeter, sorry it took me so long to get to this. Some prisons require proof of Native American ancestry before a prisoner can participate in Native American spiritual activities within the prison. Some prisons even go so far as to say you have to have a government card before they'll allow it. Texas is one of those I think. The Native American Church is different than the real Native spirituality in that it developed from a blending of Native American and Christian beliefs. I personally believe that if a person says they have Native American ancestry, that should be good enough, if they can give some sort of oral family history. As for people without the ancestry, I believe it should be done following tradition------if a Native American Elder deems the person should be included in the Circle, then it should be allowed. This isn't done lightly, so it's not done often. Indians are the only ethnic group that's expected to prove their ancestry-----no other ethnic group has to carry any kind of card or prove it in any way, by the way.
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Old 04-10-2004, 10:23 PM
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You are quite right SamIAm158, my aunt still refuses to consider herself Ind'in though my father was quite open about his heritage.

I'm so glad he was. He was also quite open to me about the 10 years he spent in prison in PA.

This was a long time ago, and he has now passed on, but I'm still fighting for Ind'in rights.

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and you know toi....the native americans alot of times kept quite...of their heritage to keep from being kicked off their land....i have cherokee in my heritage and we all know it but can not legally prove it...stories pasted from generation to generation doesn't help when the government thinks you want money...and we don't ...we just want to be reconized..
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my husband is not native american but has been practicing with the native american community and you have no idea how much this has helped him spritually. He has found an unusual bond with the other guys and as a result has helped him get through this in a more positive manner. I could go on and on as to how these teachings have helped him grow and learn infact i am so thankful he has found such comfort in the native american teachings.
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Hello Everyone,

I'm new to the site, just registered. I have a brother in Buckeye Prison in Arizona. He is of the Pima Tribe, and I am of the Pima/Navajo Tribes.

I'm glad to see there is a forum out there for families of prisoners.

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Welcome, Smitty. I write to several Natives, one is Pima/Navajo and another is Pima-Maricopa. I'm visited one's reservation in Sacaton this spring and am going to visit him this weekend. I have a Pima dictionary if you need some translations. Karen
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Karen,
Where did you find a Pima dictionary? That's funny. I speak a little, but my grandfather died before I could learn the entire language.

I am from the Gila River Tribe which is in Sacaton. That's my community.
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Glad you found us, Smitty..its a great place to chillout, learn a lil something and find the support that you may not find in your neighborhood...how's your bro holding up?
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If you're looking for native american singles sites, there's www.rezfox.com for native americans only.

My brother is doing ok. He seems to be keeping his spirit up and looking forward to staying with me.
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hello everybody,i am new name is karen, and my fiance is pomo,and he is in solano/vacaville,CA.,and i thtink they all should be able to practice what they feel, without any proof, ,well keep me up on anything new,thank you karen
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There are specific requirements that vary greatly from tribe to tribe.
Ironically the slang for the document PROVING ancestry is called a "white card", it is a C.D.I.B. which stands for Certificate Degree of Indian Blood.
For example the US goverment only recognizes certain tribes. Each tribe has it's OWN standard Trust me, it is NOT a simple DNA test! I am CREEK but here is a CHEROKEE registration page with downloadable forms and links aplenty!


http://www.cherokee.org/Services/Reg...es.asp?ID=FAQs
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WHAT happened to Morningsky_ndn (AKA Sandy) ? I knew her pretty well in Columbus, Ohio. Is she allright?
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I am really pleased this forum now exists. (And I am sad my N.A.P.A.C. friend Morningsky_ndn is not here in PTO to see this day.) Yes, toi-ama, you post well. Please post more here and encourage others that we may learn. I am particularly interested in what Native American justice has to teach us about what the real objectives of sentence should be. Vengeance as an attribute and prerogative of one's Deity, and as a model for what is good, certainly wearies me.
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MorningSky_ndn is just fine and living in Wisconsin, I'm still a member here although my time is limited by my own work I do slip in and out unseen at times. That was an old post that you saw from before Toi Ami left (or was removed don't remember which) So don't worry about me I'm doing fine. Can't speak for Toi or Sodai.

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Toi is around so she can speak if she would like to..
Good to see you ndn, hope you have been doing well.
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