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Keep them on the brink of starvation so they don’t get out of line. Save millions on mustard packets.
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Keep them on the brink of starvation so they donít get out of line. Save millions on mustard packets.
LOL And do you know how many get wasted during visit?
I was more shocked at the 2oz of meat. Four ounces is a serving...how were they splitting two ounces of meat between four slices of bread?
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More control of the inmate by what you feed them. I ate CDCR(CDC) nasty sack lunches for 11years they were crappy then . Now they want to act like they are worried about the inmates health. Most of the lunch meat we didn't eat. Reason being it had a green tinge to it from sitting on aluminum sheet pans. Food temperatures are a joke in CDCR facilities sure all of the cooks are supposed to check temperatures but they don't. Cutting back on the bread means the poor inmate get hungry faster. Why? Because lots of time you just eat the bread and dump mystery meat. Cut the food budget but give the correctional officer a raise. Pure B.S All of this looks good on paper show us random pictures of the actual lunches. Modify the lunches. serve same high sodium B.S breakfast and dinner
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LOL And do you know how many get wasted during visit?
I was more shocked at the 2oz of meat. Four ounces is a serving...how were they splitting two ounces of meat between four slices of bread?
I donít know... Iím on weight watchers and I weigh my food. Two ounces is what my turkey package says is a serving size and it makes a good size sandwich. The extra slices of bread seemed unnecessary though.

This doesnít sound all that bad for a mid-day meal.
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I don’t know... I’m on weight watchers and I weigh my food. Two ounces is what my turkey package says is a serving size and it makes a good size sandwich. The extra slices of bread seemed unnecessary though.

This doesn’t sound all that bad for a mid-day meal.
When they're locked down, it's lunch and dinner. My husband definitely doesn't need to lose weight and he's said the same that Patrick has-- most of them toss the meat because it's suspect. They use peanut butter or package items to make 'spread' out of the bread. Long lockdowns meant he easily lost 10 pounds. I know-- he's fed. And I'm not looking for sympathy, just making sure when we run the three hots and a cot flag up the pole, we actually know what that "hot" entails.
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I donít know... Iím on weight watchers and I weigh my food. Two ounces is what my turkey package says is a serving size and it makes a good size sandwich. The extra slices of bread seemed unnecessary though.

This doesnít sound all that bad for a mid-day meal.


It looks good on paper just like Prop.57 did. I can put all the memos out in the world that I am doing something. Lets us randomly walk up to one of the carts holding those lunches at room temperature and look inside.
I have been on both sides of meal dispensing. I done my time at CDCR(CDC)
and I ate their "three hot's ( hasn't been three hot's that I can remember my first term was in 1989)
Upon my release I was hired as Correctional Cook I. For Youth Authority( Now know as Department of Juvenile Justice) I have know what kind of product we started out with . I know what it looked like when we served. I also witnessed mismanagement of the Food Service dollar department wide. This is just one example that I will share. CDCR would put out to bid their annual produce for vendors to bid on. There were set guidelines that the vender was supposed to supply us with # produce. The didn't. they knew that what ever they sent to CDCR would not be returned even if it was not up to bid contract standards. I have personally seen bags of potatoes that were culls (rejects from the packing house)in 100 lbs. sacks. Yet CDCR was paying for #1 produce which means those potatoes should have been delivered to us in bags just like you and I buy at the store. Big difference in the price of culls and #1 produce.
Same thing with our bread contract at Youth Authority. The bread company would drop day old product off on us. We did have a contract on our sliced bread which required a certain number of slice per loaf( restaurant count)
If CDCR was getting its dollars worth when they buy products just maybe the lunches would be able to stomach.
Remember CDCR also get USDA commodities to feed inmates. They get these commodities because they are running educational programs at the facilities. If I remember correctly when I worked for Youth Authority our daily feeding amount was $2.50 a day for three meals. Even though we were feeding well over 2,500 wards a day. We still had budget issues. That $2.50 a day just wasn't for food. Equipment and repairs to equipment came out of that also. I could ramble on about the waste I saw as an inmate and as a state employee. I can see why they say it cost over $75,000 a years to house an inmate. Of that actual $75,000 I can assure that less then $25,000 actually reaches the inmate or the care of the inmate. The rest is ate up in labor. From the Director all the way down to the person mowing the lawn at the facility. Look at how many people just this Memo went out to. Each one of those positions mentioned on that Memo are position making a minimum of $80,000 a year or better
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Yeah. Memos like this take great pain to talk about the real reason being CDCR's altruistic desire to help inmates health, help them with their calorie intake and sodium intake and be Heart Healthy.

For a moment there I thought maybe it had something to do with saving money to help pay for salary increases and other benefits for CDCR staff.

I'm so glad they took the time to explain all that to me.

How touching and heartwarming.
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Yeah. Memos like this take great pain to talk about the real reason being CDCR's altruistic desire to help inmates health, help them with their calorie intake and sodium intake and be Heart Healthy.

For a moment there I thought maybe it had something to do with saving money to help pay for salary increases and other benefits for CDCR staff.

I'm so glad they took the time to explain all that to me.

How touching and heartwarming.
Don't you feel better knowing they're reducing the amount of sodium and protein in their diet? His heart will be sooo healthy!

My husband struggles to build muscle as it is. I don't think two ounces less of still-sodium-laden lunch meat is going to break him but it would be nice if they didn't have bologna so often. I'm not even sure if it's bologna, to be honest. The way he describes it, with green flecks and peppercorns? Whatever it is, I'm sick of hearing about it. I can't imagine looking at it and knowing if you don't eat it today you'll get another shot tomorrow.
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The bread isnt wheat. At least not good wheat bread. Its white bread.
This i know from my hub who will NOT eat white bread. He always gave it away or traded it for the fruit. (fake wheat bread...lol)
And hub hates mustard too. Wont touch it (unless I disguise it in a dish)


Dont know what the *snack* is, but I do know hub would have been better off with more fruit, less bread and zero mustard.
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The bread isnt wheat. At least not good wheat bread. Its white bread.
This i know from my hub who will NOT eat white bread. He always gave it away or traded it for the fruit. (fake wheat bread...lol)
And hub hates mustard too. Wont touch it (unless I disguise it in a dish)


Dont know what the *snack* is, but I do know hub would have been better off with more fruit, less bread and zero mustard.
Good question. I'm going to ask. Husband always mentions the weird meat, cookie and fruit...but snack? Now I'm curious. And you're right, it's not a whole grain bread it's white bread with a tan. LOL
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How noble that they are so concerned with inmates health, I am sure this is the sole reason for the calorie reduction. Maybe more fruit and vegetables and wholemeal bread and chicken and fish.
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Even though I am dealing with Florida, this thread caught my attention. The food in the system here is HORRID! My husband had his routine bloodwork done November 2017. His cholestorol was up some, but not much....April 2018, after being in county for 3 months, it was up over 100 points from November. The prison food is even worse than the food in county. WTH is up with this crap?
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Even though I am dealing with Florida, this thread caught my attention. The food in the system here is HORRID! My husband had his routine bloodwork done November 2017. His cholestorol was up some, but not much....April 2018, after being in county for 3 months, it was up over 100 points from November. The prison food is even worse than the food in county. WTH is up with this crap?
I think in the realm of All Things Prison, people expect the food to be bad. It's an easy place to trim the budget (or rearrange the budget) without much fuss. If they started locking them down more because of staff shortages or turning off the heat in winter, people would notice. But food? It's always bad. Now it's just a tiny bit worse. Package companies probably love this kind of thing.
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I think in the realm of All Things Prison, people expect the food to be bad. It's an easy place to trim the budget (or rearrange the budget) without much fuss. If they started locking them down more because of staff shortages or turning off the heat in winter, people would notice. But food? It's always bad. Now it's just a tiny bit worse. Package companies probably love this kind of thing.
From what we are hearing here, we are not going to be able to get the packages (the ones the family can purchase). I agree with what you are saying about people not taking notice. But again...here in our state the majority of facilities have no heat and air to begin with and they are constantly not getting rec because of "staff shortages". There has to be some solution to this issues...it is just a matter of getting those who make the decisions to stop long enough to figure it out.
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I'm grateful we get to send food packages every month. Mine doesn't go to chow. Maybe to get bread once and a while, but that is it. Right now he is solely concerned with eating healthy. Misses salads. They are just hard to keep fresh longer than a day or two

You would think with media so costs being so high, they would see the value in serving real food and healthy food. This also affects their mood and brain health.
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Hub said he really really missed oranges and bananas.


When I'd order food packages for him, I would usually order him fish. Tuna, sardines (yuck) or more tuna. lol. The soup packages I'd order he would usually trade for other things he wanted.
I sure hope they dont stop allowing packages to be sent.
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Clearly a money saver. Couldíve replaced the snack and cookie with more fresh fruit and veg instead of bread and mustard. Would be WAT more heart healthy that way. SMH
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Clearly a money saver. Couldíve replaced the snack and cookie with more fresh fruit and veg instead of bread and mustard. Would be WAT more heart healthy that way. SMH
CDCR reason for doing away with the apples , oranges and most fruits was to cut down on the making of prison alcohol drinks. Bull shit as we all know. Yet they pulled the fruit but haven't replaced it with any thing that is healthy .
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Ok...so I asked hubs about this today. This is what he gets and what he has been getting for years:
4 slices of bread, 2 slices of bologna, a cookie and a packet of sugar free Koolaid.

He asked who in the hell was getting chicken. No fruit as they're not allowed to have it in their cells (pruno). And he had no idea what the snack was.

So basically, if you're him and they actually apply this menu, he'll get two slices of bologna, two slices of bread, a cookie and Koolaid.
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Ok...so I asked hubs about this today. This is what he gets and what he has been getting for years:
4 slices of bread, 2 slices of bologna, a cookie and a packet of sugar free Koolaid.

He asked who in the hell was getting chicken. No fruit as they're not allowed to have it in their cells (pruno). And he had no idea what the snack was.

So basically, if you're him and they actually apply this menu, he'll get two slices of bologna, two slices of bread, a cookie and Koolaid.

2 slices of bologna that maybe slightly green if it has came in contact with the sheet pan. I see the only change in the 19 years I have been out is no fruit The fruit was pulled ( apples, oranges anything else just a few years after I got out) This idea to pull the fruit came from ISU to cut down on prison wine making. CDCR went on to give out some stats on how much violent out burst are down since they pulled the fruit from the lunches. The good old propaganda machine at work.
Basically now with the new and improved lunch menu on paper everyone that pushes papers around in a office is so happy for what they are doing for the inmate. On the other hand the inmate still gets shit but less of it Those in the office still pork out all day long at work on chips, candy and soda
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On the other hand the inmate still gets shit but less of it Those in the office still pork out all day long at work on chips, candy and soda
And wine sales are doing just fine without the fruit at lunch.
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Husband always mentions the weird meat, cookie and fruit...
I guess my fruit memories are old. He said he hasn't had fruit for three years and two facilities ago.
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My son is in chcf and is starving...prison has gone to serving a bagged lunch and bagged dinner ..he says it is the same bag for lunch and dinner...two pieces of wheat bread, packet of peanut butter, packet of jam, two small cookies and a apple nothing to drink and no snack in the bags...this is horrible..breakfast was two boiled eggs, a cup of mush with 1/2 pint of no fat milk..calories for the day around 1,200 if that much...my son is a big guy...he needs more food..i have contacted the ombudsman in sacramento
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If they could get away with keeping them alive without having to feed them and still get paid they would. Huuuuge problem in this U.S.

That bologna is actually soy and is not good for men or women to be eating (totally forced; bad for entire body...hormones) especially as often as they are. The only ones getting turkey or chicken are pregnant inmates and that isn't everywhere. Plus pregnant women have to earn that meat. No jokes.

The food reduction with increased sun reduction and activity will be great for their as well as generational mental health as well. ....and one wonders why certain mental illness exists in certain .....

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