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Old 01-13-2003, 03:13 PM
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Why are women drawn to men behind bars?

Ian Huntley, the man charged with the Soham murders, gets bundles of fan mail every day. Meanwhile, more than 100 British women are engaged or married to men on death row in the US. Denise Mina investigates the appeal

Monday January 13, 2003
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Three years ago a German waitress called Dagmar Polzin fell in love with a murderer while waiting at a Hamburg bus stop. She saw his photo on a Benetton anti-death-penalty poster. Bobby Lee Harris, a North Carolina man with an IQ of 75, was on death row for stabbing his boss to death during a robbery on a shrimp boat. Polzin was overwhelmed by the picture,
"It was something in his eyes," she later said. "There was this remorse, sadness. I was attracted. I knew he was the one."

Within the year Polzin and Harris were engaged and she had moved to America to live with his family. This story seems a little surprising, but if you see the picture that Dagmar fell in love with it is, frankly, astonishing. He may have many charming accomplishments to recommend him as a husband, but Harris is not a bonny boy.

Polzin's romance is not an isolated incident: no matter how extreme or appalling the crime with which they are associated, it seems there is always a woman keen to stand by the man. It was recently reported that Ian Huntley, the Soham man charged with the murders of schoolgirls Jessica Chapman and Holly Wells, receives bundles of fan mail from women every week - many containing photographs of themselves.

Prison romances seem in no danger of dying out. But the cliche of the prison bride as wig-wearing trailer-trash is misguided: the women come from all sectors of society. Carlos the Jackal become engaged to his lawyer last year. The famous Glasgow hard man Jimmy Boyle married a psychiatrist he met in prison. The most common form of contact, certainly for many of the 100 or so British women currently engaged or married to American men on death row, is through anti-death-penalty campaign internet sites.

These correspondence schemes provide heart-wrenching photographs of young men alongside explanations for their crimes and pleas for contact. One young Alabama death row inmate ends his request for pen pals with the statement "loneliness is a terrible thing"; another finishes, "a friend is waiting". All promise to reply to any letters.

In her book, Women Who Love Men Who Kill, Sheila Isenberg examines the phenomenon of prison lovers and finds genuine and universal bewilderment among the women at their situation. Even if they have had a series of romances with prisoners or, like one British woman, been engaged to several death-row inmates - all of whom were executed - they still claim not to have chosen that course for themselves. Karen Richey's partner, for instance, is on death row in Ohio. Karen says that she wasn't looking for a love affair when she made contact with Kenny, a 38-year-old Scot: "My war cry is that I only wanted to be a pen pal. Kenny insists this is going to be on my grave stone."

It takes considerable effort to meet men in secure containment facilities. Many women will write to a number of prisoners before they finally make a sustainable connection. They may even take on voluntary jobs in prison, or go on blind-date visits with men they know only by reputation.

As on the outside, famous people attract a disproportionate amount of attention because of the glamour that surrounds them and ordinary people's desire for vicarious celebrity. Serial killer Richard Ramirez, the so-called Night Stalker, who murdered and dismembered 13 people in the 1980s, had no trouble finding a bride. Doreen Lioy started writing to Ramirez after falling for his picture in the paper. They were married in 1996 in the prison waiting room.

Both Ramirez and Ted Bundy, a rapist-murderer who was suspected of murdering 35 young women, attracted gangs of admiring groupies who sat patiently through their court cases. Even John Wayne Gacy - not the most eligible man, with a history of drugging, raping and murdering 30 young men in Chicago - ended up marrying a woman he met while awaiting the death penalty.

So what other reasons could there be for so many women being attracted to convicted criminals? Isenberg suggests that vicarious murder may sometimes be a motivating factor. It is easier for the lovers of these men to overlook violence if they have considered it themselves: "Even while she denies his culpability, it is his ability to murder that attracts her. He acted on his rage, however unsuitably. [The woman] could never act on her rage. So [his] murder is [her] murder," she says.

It is certainly true that many prison brides have a history of violent relationships. Isenberg draws positive conclusions from this, arguing that an imprisoned partner may be a healthy strategy for women who are attracted to violent men, allowing them to engage without putting themselves in physical danger.

Religious fervour is another, more obvious motivator. Evangelical Christian schemes bring women into contact with prisoners and provide a basis for intense emotional interaction.

Jacquelynne Willcox-Bailey's book Dream Lovers: Women Who Marry Men Behind Bars is a series of interviews conducted with Australian women. The most melancholy story concerns two middle-aged Christian sisters, Avril and Rose, who left long-term "boring" marriages for men in prison. One man had been convicted of a string of minor property offences, the other man had killed his previous wife. His new wife, Rose, said: "I have faith that if you're genuine with the Lord you're a new person. A lot of people have said I should be worried about him because of what he did and his background - which is pretty awful and violent - but I have no fear."

Despite the women's faith, both relationships ended tragically: a week after his release the thief bludgeoned Avril to death with a hammer. The other husband ended up back in prison after trying to cut Rose's ear off and pull out her teeth with pliers.

However, it is rare that the most disturbing type of relationship is formed. Hybristophiliacs are sexually excited by violent outrages performed on others. These women often send pornographic pictures of themselves to prisoners. The self-styled "most violent prisoner in Britain", Charles Bronson, publishes photos he receives on his website.

But not all hybristophiliacs are passive admirers. A playwright named Veronica Lynn Compton began a torrid affair with one of the Hillside Stranglers, a pair of cousins who abducted, raped and mutilated very young women before ritualistically displaying their corpses on hillsides in Los Angeles in the 1970s. As part of an elaborate defence strategy, one of the stranglers, Kenneth Bianchi, asked Compton to kill a woman using his modus operandi.

DNA evidence was not then available - only the blood type could be determined from a fluid sample - so he asked her to sprinkle the dead body with his sperm, and passed her a sample in a rubber glove. Compton tried but bungled the attempt and her prospective victim got away. By the time Compton was imprisoned for the attempted murder, Bianchi had married a different woman. Compton found another sexual serial killer to romance. One year he sent her a photo of a decapitated female corpse as a Valentine card.

But most prison romances are not so extreme. Generally the women are decent, well-meaning and it is easy to see why they find their relationships fulfilling. Their boyfriends spend their days exercising and their evenings writing letters and poems or trying to phone home. They are more compliant and attentive than they would be on the outside because the women send money, pay for their legal representation and afford them the tremendous parole advantage of a permanent address.

Prison relationships retain the intoxicating elements present in every romance. The first endorphin-flush of love always involves a degree of transference; we all see our partners as we hope them to be, imagining that the love object embodies the qualities we crave. Polzin projected remorse into Harris's puffy eyes. It is only as the initial infatuation ebbs that we begin to realise which of those assumptions were actually true.

Woman with imprisoned partners have limited contact and need never move beyond this courting stage. The intense desire for each other need never translate to the ordinariness of sex and marriage.

But, as clinical psychologist Dr Stuart Fischoff says, the love object is "almost irrelevant at this point. He's a dream lover, a phantom limb". Such fantasy projection can be used to wish away any aspect of reality. The excuses the women give for their partner's alleged crimes operate as in all other relationships. They do what we all sometimes do when faced with negative information about loved ones: they refuse to believe it.

On one website devoted to Richard Ramirez his wife says, "I appeal to all intelligent persons not to believe everything that is being presented about Richard in the media. The facts of his case ultimately will confirm that Richard is a wrongly-convicted man, and I believe fervently that his innocence will be proven to the world."

One lawyer, who uses her official visits to have sex in the interview room with a man convicted of a violent assault, sums up what many feel about prison romance: "There are lots of sad relationships in prison. A lot of opportunistic, shallow, revolting relationships and a lot of sad, hopeless people clinging to each other."

This is the most pronounced parallel with more conventional relationships: we can always see the truth about other people's relationships more clearly than our own.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/women/stor...873464,00.html
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Old 01-13-2003, 03:48 PM
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what i find interesting is the way the writer seems to veer from being somewhat sensible to incredibly non-sensical..
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It seems as though the media and anyone who would write something like this would of course generalize as well as pick the names of the most sensational Prisoners in history.

When the general public read of Ted Bundy receiving mail and photos from women and prison romances then we would expect there to be a general consensus that all prison romances are bad... How could you not think this and have it turn your stomach? My stomach turned reading this.

The fortunate thing is that this is not talking about 'us' and all that really matters is that we can look at ourselves in the mirror and respect what we see...

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What about the ones (like me) who was with our man before he went to prison, but choose to stand beside them, love them, and get married? Has that subject been studied? I wonder?
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A desire for vicarious murder????

Oh, puh-LEASE!!!!

Room-temperature I.Q.'ed, armchair psychologist, posing as a journalist!

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Hybristophiliacs ??? Is it what we are ??? What's the name of our sickness ??? Hybristophiliacism ??? Does it apply to men drawn by men behind bars too ??? Or men drawn by women behind bars ??? Is it a fatal disease or can we be cured ???
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hmmmmm........

So when are you publishing your article on nuclear physics, Danielle??? Surely it will be more eloquent and informative than this.
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Few people in society will see that the writer is taking a minimal amount of information, and casting a blanket over the whole topic.

But that's how politic's works and that's the game this writer is playing. As to the others being quoted, one just has to ask question in such a way that you get the answers you want, and the game is fortified.
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So Danielle,

How do they explain women like me who have written about 20,000 letters to inmates over the space of 27 years, and except for the very first one (whom I knew before he got arrested) I NEVER ONCE even gave them my real name or address, and certainly NEVER got involved with any one of them?

Wow! I wonder what disease I have?

As for hybristophiliac, is that in the DSM? That's quite the word!

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"Even while she denies his culpability, it is his ability to murder that attracts her. He acted on his rage, however unsuitably. [The woman] could never act on her rage. So [his] murder is [her] murder,"

I want to murder? That's why I'm in love? Because I want to murder and can't?

As Menolly said:

Oh PLUH....... ease!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Oh, I saw this topic earlier and thought it referred to women having a thing for bartenders.

...damn, I've been out putting in applications all day!!!!
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LOL Toe, you make me laugh soooo much

Dumb dumb dumb article and like Horsegal said, that "theory" (I am using that term WAY loosely) doesn't "explain" (using that one loosely too) we women who were with or knew our guys before they went to prison. Yeah, I'd like to ask Ms. Mina what her theory is on me since I knew B. for 2+ years before he was convicted of murder and known him 12 more years since. Bleh.

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First this article is ridiclous, Oh my if this is true I am in real trouble or the people I want to muder are..
I am a psychologist, I was in love with someone on Death Row and I correspond with 800+ DR inmates, yikes......lol

The idiot that wrote this article should learn how to spell before they print things, it just shows their stupidity.
Hybristophilia: love of someone who has committed
an outrage. I guess maybe it sound better with liac on the end.
No menolly it is not listed in the DSM, it is a new one someone idiot some where came up with to explain something.
The word this author used doesn't exsist. I guess she put the liac on the end so she could use it for loving an inmate.

Gosh I really dislike stupid people who don't know how stupid they really are. Especially when they try to make others look bad.

Now I have to admit being a part of a fan club, for men like gacy, bundy, damher that does require having a few screws loose. But that has nothing to do with loving an inmate and staying beside them.

oh poop being with a man like that means you want to murder, so you are living your terrible wants and thoughts through that person. I am with you Menolly ohh PLUH....EASE. This women needs to make an appointment with me, she really needs some help herself.....

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LOL Yall crack me up.
But how true.

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I read the article, it was way off base, but it didn't offend me. I have no idea why. I just knew she didn't know me and there fore could not be refering to me. Hmmmmmm. Where is my rightous indignation?
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the only reason it didn't offend me was becasue the woman was so freaking stupid who wrote it!lol...i jsut couldn't even muster up the energy to be offended.
i laughed at ti actually becaseu as bray said it really has no backup research, studies(not that makes for REAL creidibility anyway-lol)...but it is so damn vague.
the line that made me laugh the hardes is the one you quoted though Joy...that shit is TOO funny.
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I do wish their was a more non bias in depth research on this subject.

I wondered the same question years ago when all those women were after Bundy's attention. It struck me the women were in a search and rescue mission. That being as close to the discription of what I was thinking.

Is their a theory that some of these women are coming from that mentality? For example from the article the sisters thinking that they would not be harmed and had no fear
of the prisoner/husbands. Both sisters ended up murdered and one had her teeth pulled out with pliers? yikes!

That is always my question about those type of relationships. Why do I think I would be so special to be above having harm done to me. My love is so grand (I am so wonderful) that they would NOT do to me what they did to the person or persons to be incarerated for?

I don't think so. As far as people changing? Maybe a few could change that drasticly. Again I'm not that special to think I would be the one to see it.
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The thing I want to know is who is on softie's list of people she wants to murder? Softie ole buddy, ole pal!

I think these people are clueless. They are trying to sell a book and they want to present the image of women in love with prisoners as insecure and crazy. Perhaps I am both and perhaps I am neither, but to lump all women into a cagegory - that is crazy.

I think they should just call those of us that love men behind bars courageous.
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Softie, your so colorful when you get on a roll, love it!!

Torrey, search and rescue mission. Interesting that you brought that up. I have thought the same thing at times. Personally, I don't think that's a bad thing in it's self.

It doesn't matter to what end of the spectrum a person feels about themselves, they still possess a desire for the phychology of humanity instead of judgement of what's on the surface.

Those on DR or LWOP are more apt to be open about there interself, then the majority in the free society, where the surface is the norm.

Anyway, another view point.
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EVERYONE ALWAYS WANTS TO MAKE GENERALIZATIONS AND GENERALIZATIONS ARE NEVER RIGHT-PEOPLE ARE INDIVIDUALS AND ARE ALL DIFFERENT- ALL RESEARCH VALUE HAS LIMITED CREDIBILITY--THERE IS ALWAYS A MARGIN OF ERROR ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT HUMAN BEINGS- SURE WE CAN SAY PEOPLE FROM CERTAIN BACKGROUNDS OR CERTAIN PERSONALITY CHARACTERISTICS ARE "MORE LIKELY" TO DO ...WHATEVER...BUT WHEN IT ALL COMES DOWN TO IT-THERE IS NO 100% AND THERE ARE INFINITE VARIABLES THAT DETERMINE CHOICES PEOPLE MAKE. WE CAN PLUCK ANY NUMBER OF INCIDENTS OR STORIES TO "SUPPORT" ANY VIEWPOINT WE CHOOSE. ARTICLES LIKE THESE ARE WRITTEN BY BIASED PEOPLE AND THEREFORE CONTAIN BIASED INFORMATION--THAT ALONE DESTROYS THE CREDIBILITY OF THE ARTICLE.
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What P***es me off about articles like this, is that they are measuring PEOPLE FROM THE MOST NEGATIVE vantage point!!! And also, as if such men are FOREVER static, and will never become "less evil"!

Why, for example, are they not measuring from the MOST POSITIVE vantage point? Say, give a name to a man who has the courage to see a good woman, and have the wisdom to come to realize that this person is a god-send in his life; that this person can show him how to live without crime, and anger and violence etc.

It's one of those "accentuate the positive" situations...

Let's INVENT a mega-dollar impressive-sounding, Latanic name for that, folks!!!

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