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Old 08-30-2003, 03:56 PM
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issed: The Gov't must be making to much money on inmates to let them got to treatment instead!!! I know that personally, my husband would not be in prison if it were not for drugs. Sure we all have choices to make, and we have to pay for the bad ones, but to be sentenced to prison instead of treatment is CRAZY!!!! I know that in the State of Calif. it cost approx $37,000 per year (so they say) to keep an inmate in a minimum security facility!!! I know of a number of places here that for $18,000 they would receive treatment, programs, housing, food, everything!!! And possibly the chance to clean up and live a productive life. But instead in our case, he will have a criminal record, and being that the crime he commited for the money to get his drugs is violent, it will be very difficult for him to become a normal citizen of society. The common businessman will not hire a criminal who goes in to apply for a job and says that he is an ex felon and was just released from prison and needs a job. But on every Wednesday at 1:30pm he has to be able to report to his parole officer in a city about 40 miles from home!!!! I think the entire system needs revamping and the sooner that it happens the better off alot of people will be. And how was your day?? KJsTT
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Old 08-31-2003, 12:01 AM
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Wow-I could have written your story. My boyfriend is back in prison on a parole violation for using. I could understand it better if he had gotten charged with another crime, but he didn't. He has already been in for 15 months, and has another 5 months to go.
I wish they would have sent him to treatment instead. Imagine if he could have been in an inpatient rehab for the past year and a half instead of behind bars.
In a perfect world I guess.
I totally understand where you are coming from. At times it is so insane that I can't even believe it.
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Old 10-21-2003, 09:30 AM
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ISn't funny how they have the money to let people charged with Domestic Violence(in the state of FL is a Misdeminor) go through anger management classes?? Last time I heard, that was a violent crime. :argh
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Old 10-23-2003, 07:00 PM
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No not a single government agency or the Federal Govt "makes money" from putting people in jail. In my state it cost $79 a day for each inmate. I can't see the logic or policy directive that would have a Probationer or Parolee go back to jail for drug use wihtout already trying treatment first!! I am a Probation and Parole Officer and in 9 year Ive NEVER sent someone back for drug use unles they have failed and failed again at treatment. Eventually, the community expects me to hold them accountable. This is a broad topic with many variables, each person is a different case.
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Old 10-23-2003, 07:29 PM
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The government certainly does not make a "profit"...but there's BIG money to be had by a lot of corporations dealing with prisoners, starting with companies that build prisons, supply prison clothing, bedding, food, commissary items, TELEPHONE CALLS, hundreds of thousands of jobs with good benefits for prison employees in towns that are suffering economically 'til the prison opens up. It's mind boggling. And you know that there are kickbacks and stuff to officials who get to award prison contracts. It's all just about money first! And the public interest is way at the bottom. But it keeps the food chain going which is why it will never end or get better.
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Many people have different views on drugs. What I know is people have choices to make. If they are smart enough to know that drugs screws up your life, and smart enough to know that the government wont rehabilitate you, than you should spend your time rehabilitating yourself. If rehabilitation is possible, than who better than to help than yourself?
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Yes, people have choices to make. I don't know about you, but I know that I have made some really stupid decisions in my life. (while being a smart person!) I have never gotten to the point where I made the decision to try drugs, for the most part, and I am happy about that. I don't care if you are the smartest person in the world or not, things happen in life. I don't know what drove my boyfriend to use drugs. Was it something in his life that he couldn't handle? Did drugs give him courage when he felt he didn't have any? Was it a way to fit in? I don't know. But what I do know is that when you are at the point in your life when you are contemplating shooting heroin or not, you are not worrying about what the govt will or won't do for you.
You are probably at the point where you don't care about much anymore. That's my take on it anyways.
So, to bring this back around, if someone is depressed and messed up enough to be shooting heroin into their veins every day, do you honestly think that sending them to prison is going to fix them? Like they are going to have the time to REALLY work on themselves while being locked up with a bunch of people who don't care if you live or die?
We need to get to the root of the drug problem, and I think we can safely say that by sending people to prison for drugs, we are not even CLOSE to the root of the problem. In fact, we are causing more problems.
There are people, like my boyfriend, who need a starting point to figure out why they went in the direction they did. They need help to, as you say, rehabilitate themselves. It's not as easy as you make it out to be.
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...do you honestly think that sending them to prison is going to fix them?
No, though drug rehabs have just as high of a recidivism rate. So that doesn't help either.

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Like they are going to have the time to REALLY work on themselves while being locked up ...
That is all they have. If you don't have time then, you will never have time. It starts with yourself if people want to change you or even the government wants to change you it comes to nothing. I know it doesn't seem right that a person with a drug problem gets prison time, but its not right when somebody gets murdered for the 5 dollars they have in there pocket so somebody can get a fix. Court systems give out sentences of time knowing that society at large will be safe from those offenders for that amount of time. Since Drug rehabs are not effective and very expensive what choice do they have? I do feel there should be more treatment, and society needs to come to grips with the drug problem by finding solutions.
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This drug war is scary as hell to me cuz I don't see a fix all solution either. Even though you say rehabs don't work as well as people would like them to, prisons work less.
When you are sending someone to prison for a drug habit, cuz you have nothing else to do with them, there is a problem.
Rehabs don't work like we want, prison definitely doesn't work, shouldn't WE be working on something that does?
But that would be admitting that drug use is not just for "criminals" anymore.
Wow- I am off on a tangent! LOL
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my husband has been clean for about 3 years. He meets some guy in his rehab class which was court mandated and it turn out this guy wanted him to get him something for his birthday and my husband the idiot he is got it for him and the guy was wired well in the end my husband got 2to 5 for doing a favor although a stupid favor and I think it should have been a drug treatment cent er not a jail because what does jail really do for you but make you feel sorry for yourself and want to do things more. My husband is so depressed over this he really wanted to kill himself before he went to jail. He thought about his kids and thank god didn;t do it. but he really deserved a treatment program not jail
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The senerio you explain sucks!! If that is how it actually came about then that is sad. Again someone in "treatment" that buys drugs for a fellow "treatment" person is an issue all in itself. The reality is we all need to accept the fact you sell drugs or "distrupute" as a favor or gift you go to jail! Although I will certainly say regardless of ones record, if the evidence is that you where providing only a small useable amount for little or no financial gain then anyhting more than a few months in the county jail is ridiculas and a waste of tax dollars.
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