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Old 02-06-2007, 12:44 PM
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Can Anyone Give Info On The Point System And How To Reduce Points?
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The points that are received from write ups etc and that help determine custody level.
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Actually, I think you want more points. He gets those by going to classes (not just school courses, AA, NA, etc., too) or working or doing whatever he can to prove that he's trying to make a difference in his life.
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I thought it was the other way around--the fewer the better. Maybe RetiredDOC, WolfRider or NoLaw can shed some light on this.

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You're exactly right...the fewer points, the better. Points are given for writeup, past sentences, assaults, sexual offenses, etc. At one time, anything over 13 points was medium custody and the Unit Superintendent had to do an override to keep the subject in honor grade. (That was fairly common with inmates who had been in for a long time on say 1st degree murder. I would override the point system to keep them in honor grade and get them a MAPP contract).

The point system can be very confusing at times to staff and inmates. Generally when it really comes into play is when an inmate is in minimum custody, gets an infraction, but then those couple of points puts him back in medium custody. Same thing when in medium custody and then maybe an infraction for fighting gives the inmate enough points to put in close custody.

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Thanks for the answers, how does an inmate reduce his number of points to get back to minimum or medium custody?
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*LOL* Talk about confusing!
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Thanks for the answers, how does an inmate reduce his number of points to get back to minimum or medium custody?
Generally the only way to reduce points is the passage of time, stay infraction free, and get good work reports.
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*LOL* Talk about confusing!
Rumor has it that there was actually one person who figured out the point system completely...but sadly his brain exploded before he could share the secret with anyone else.......
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NC DEPARTMENT OF CORRECTIONS POLICIES&PROCEDURES MANUAL,
could anyone tell me where i could get a hold of a copy..
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Rumor has it that there was actually one person who figured out the point system completely...but sadly his brain exploded before he could share the secret with anyone else.......
It's best that way. He would have exploded trying to make it work, anyway. Too much logic on his part. It's still a mystery this way
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Generally the only way to reduce points is the passage of time, stay infraction free, and get good work reports.
I have been told of a "contract" he could sign stating that
if he did this and this and this etc
hey would reduce his points.
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Default The Point System

This was given to me when I got locked up in 2002. It's still in effect. The ways to lower your points are to get older, don't get into trouble, take classes like Anger Management, get good reviews from the people you work for in there. I came in with 13, and within 3 years I had 1 point.

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Initial Classification

All felons will begin with: 9 Base Pts

1. Primary Conviction
Class A and B 10 Points
Class C and D 4 Points
Class E and F 3 Points

2. Secondary Conviction
Class A and B 6 Points
Class C and D 4 Points

3. Institutional Violence
(Assaults are evaluated for the previous five years of confinement from any correctional setting. Confinements do not have to be continuous.)

Assault/Battery w/ Weapon and/or
serious injurty during last 5 years 7 Points

Predatory Assaultive Behavior without
Weapon or Serious Injury last 5 years 3 Points

*Add 3 Pts if assaultive behavior was within last six months

4. Escape History:
Escapes are evaluated for the previous five years of confinement from any correctional setting. Confinements do not have to be continuous.

Unarmed Supervision/no actual or threatened violence:
Within 1 year (Each escape) 3 Points
Over 1 year (each escape) 1 Point

Armed Supervision or any custory with actual or
threatened violence:
Within 1 year (each escape) 7 Points
Over 1 year (each escape) 5 Points


Total sections 1 through 4. If total is 19 or greated, classify as close custody. If 18 or below, continue with sub-totals.

5. 2 or more Prior Felony Convictions: 2 Points

6. Age:
Age 25-27 -1 Point
Age 28-30 -2 Points
Age 31-33 -3 Points
Age 34-37 -4 Points
Age 38-43 -5 Points
Age 44+ -6 Points

7. Time Remaining on Sentence:
Unaudited sentences will be calculated as total sentence minus jail credit.
Up to 8 months 1 Point
9-16 months 2 Points
17-27 months 3 Points
28 months or longer 4 Points

8. Prior Infraction Record:
.1 - .6 infractions 1 Point
.7 - 1.2 infractions 2 Points
1.3 - 1.8 infractions 3 Points
1.9 - 2.4 infractions 4 points
2.5 - 3.0 infractions 5 points
3.1 - 3.6 infractions 6 points
3.7 - 4.2 infractions 7 points
4.3 or more Infractions 8 points

Infractions are evaluated per guilty verdict, for the previous five years of confinement for any correcttional setting. Total number of inftractions incurred during previous five years are prorated per year. Confinements do not have to be continuaous. (EX: An inmate incurred 15 infractions of five years. 15 divided by 5 =3 infractions per year. This would equal 5 points.

If the prior incarceration time was less than ine months, the followin scale will be used:

1 infraction 2 Points
2 infractions 4 Points
3 infractions 6 Points
4 or more infractions 8 Points



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There is a little bit of confusion about exactly how many points you have to have to get minumum, either 9 or 13. My latest paper says 9, but I seem to recall they go by less than 13. In any case the point is to get fewer and fewer.
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OMG! They have GOT to be kidding...who the hell sits down and thinks this stuff up?? It would be simpler to write up the process for curing the common cold!
Gotta love the DOC...probably paid somebody a hefty sum to come up with this crap...
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I'm godo with numbers. I'll have to shoot them a resume and contract to come up with a pint system for everything else. Ya know, for like "line leaders to chow" and who gets the weights first. I'm gonna be RICH! *LMAO*
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LOL Mel I love your sense of humor.

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Mel-Yeah, we could come up with "incentives" such as "2 points reduction equals an extra scoop of POWDERED EGGS...HA HA HA
YUMMY!!
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question here for "worried one" , thanks for the info on the point system, sure is helpful, my question is this, if you had 2 charges and the primary offense got you jailtime and the other was suspended , are you given points for both offenses or just the primmary one?
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Should be just for the one you got convicted of. And notice that the secondary offense has to be an A- D charge. But I can't see any reason why they'd give you points for something you aren't in prison for. I couldn't always figure out exactly what my points were (sometimes I was a point off), but I was always pretty close, and the case managers should tell you what your points are, and you can figure out if they screwed up from that chart.

As an aside, I kept thinking I should be in minimum because my points were low enough to be, but then I found a DOC policy that says that they HAVE to put you in minimum if your points are low UNLESS (and this is followed by a bunch of legitimate items the last of which is) the Superintendent of the camp you're at decides you shouldn't go.

So there.

Any other questions, it's all still fresh in my mind.

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well thats just typical I guess, my son should have went in with 12 points, but like you say he can't get a straight answer, but he went in medium, and is still there, he thinks hes down to 10 now , with a review coming up soon, I'm writing and calling some congressmen to try to get a transfer to minimum, they tell me after the review maybe they can do something so I'm keeping my fingers crossed
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That's true. When my man was up for his first review from Med to Min1, the Super told him he was only giving him the option because he did well on Min his last bid years ago. Kinda makes you wonder why they have a point system if you still have to be liked by the people themselves....that alone makes it less objective, huh? These people and their policies make no sense no matter how many guidelines they incorporate. It worked out that time, but had he not transferred right before this review, that Super certainly would not have allowed it...they didn't like each other.
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there rules are much like NASCAR, nobody really knows what they are, I'll be glad when all this is over, I feel for all of you
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there rules are much like NASCAR, nobody really knows what they are
That's because it's easier to make them up as they wish! If you don't want to do something for someone, you can pull out some regulation that backs you up and no one can argue because you'd be arguing with nothing. It IS frustrating, but we endure because they can't break something this strong, right?!?!
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well it seems as if the DOC has rules and policies , they just seem to think their above them, I know they have a huge job to do and I guess some do it well with what they have to do with , like putting 1200 people in a place designed for 800 and finding something to keep all those folks occupied, and, we all know guards smuggle in drugs and whatever to inmates, so when you get down to it many of them are doing worse than
the people behind bars, and they are in a position of authority and should
be held to the same standards as everyone else, but they get to go home to their families every day, I guess really I'm just bitchn' about the whole situation and its good to complain here since its really all we got, and I know most of you feel the same way, but since this about the point system,I guess it only really applies when points go up not down
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