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Old 06-03-2011, 07:16 AM
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A 12 yr. old boy was charged with first degree murder of his 2 yr. old brother. I do not understand how this could be possible. This child is being held in the county jail instead of a juvenile facility, of course he's with juveniles, but this is absurd. 12 yrs. old and he's being tried as an adult? This is hard to comprehend, even if this child did commit this crime, he's still just a kid and he is in desperate need of some help. Kids that age don't just commit premeditated murders!!!! His mother is charged with negligent homicide and his 2 other siblings have been taken into protective custody. This is a scary, depressing thing for grown people to go through. I can't imagine how this little boy must feel, locked up away from his family and home. He must be frightened to death!

As we all know this system fails many people in one way or another, I am saddened to know that it is now going to fail a child. He is the youngest person in Jacksonville's history to be charged withfirst degree murder. the fl. times union article says, "It is very disturbing, but when you know you have to balance the safety of other children in the home and in the community, it is not so disturbing." The article on news4jax says "The fact that we indicted a 12 yr. old in and of itself is a stunning event and a sad event in our prosecutorial lives that we had to ddo this, but it is the only legal mechanism that we can use to protect the community from this particular defendant at this point," and goes on to say ," In a case of this magnitude where the facts are absolutely proveable as first degree murder, then the only way that we can trust that we can fashion any kind of a sentence that both protects the public and at some point tries to help someone who is 12 yrs. old and commits a first degree murder is to put it in the adult system and work from there"

I don't agree with that at all, their only choice? Why are some kids who commit murders in juvenile facilities and some are in adult system? And how they say at some point try to help this boy? Why at some point? Why not now? If he is guilty he is in need of help and probably has been for a while. This is not normal for a kid this age to do and it only takes a little common sense to know that!!!

I had to write about this it has been weighing heavy on my mind. I worry about my son who's 23 in prison and then I see this child facing life. I'm saddened by this and wondering why noone saw any signs of trouble with him. You don't go from just being a kid to a murderer without red flags.I will keep this child on my mind and in my prayers. I hope this so called justice system will wake up one day and be fair, help those in need and rehabilitate, not just incarcerate!!!!

This child's name is Christian Fernandez, please pray for this child, his mom and his 2 siblings. There are sooooo many victims here, noone wins in a situation like this. And the poor little boy who lost his life!

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This post brings back some bad memories from 12 years ago when 2 children ages 12 and 13 who were friends of my children were charged as adults with 1st degree murder in Brevard Co., Florida. Ultimately they were convicted of 2nd degree and received 18 years each in prison. They are still in prison and, thank God, are both doing very well but it still makes no sense to me why they were charged as adults when I know for a fact that they were nowhere close to being able to make an adult decision. I credit their strong faith and the strength of their father for keeping them on the right path through this ordeal but it seems to me that the so-called system failed them miserably. To this day they have not received one iota of rehabilitation from the state. I will keep Christian in my prayers.
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I feel so bad for that whole family. Praying for them.
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This boggles my mind. If your a child you are a child!!! They do not sometimes give out drivers lic. or the right to vote to minors, so why do the courts charge children as adults??? Prayes out for this family.
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We have a case here in PA..a boy who was 11 shot and killed his pregnant future stepmom. He is being tried as an adult. from the article:

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This is absolutely appalling. I am at a loss for words. There are so many things that I could say and would love to say but really my heart is aching right now for that little boy. If his mother had him when she was 12 I would be interested to know if he was a product of rape. Then putting both the mom and son into foster care? I just don't understand. He will get no rehab in PRISON. Where as if he was sent to juvie there are more programs for him to be rehabilitated. I know in OR our juveniles get all kinds of programs to rehab themselves. Where in adult prison there is nothing. Regardless of what they say there is no rehab. It seems this boy has been behind the 8 ball his whole life and no one helped? I don't get it. America is becoming a wasteland of lock em up and throw away the key.

I am so disheartened by this news. I will pray that this child gets the helps he should have had in the first place. God be with him through this ordeal.
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I knew there was more to this story than met the eye and now I am even more upset about this case. This child has endured a horrible life from the get go and the system did in fact fail him.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...eglected-child
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My heart really goes out to the family of these 2 children. How sad that a 2 year old's life was taken before he/she ever had a start.
The justice system is failing all around us. I see it everyday myself but what exactly are you suppose to do with troubled children and adolescents? I'm sure no one on this board actually believes that the state or federal government is going to try to pay for rehabilitation. The government is not set up to deal with mental issues and for sure will not fund the stint of a mental health facility. It doesn't happen. There are so many mentally ill people in prison that I quit looking at the statistics some time ago. And then boy/girl obviously has some issues as well.
I think most of us a comparing this case to our children. 'OMG what if that was my child!' But let me tell you, I have come across some very disturbed children in my life. Children that have no consensus, remorse, feelings, or regrets. They need mental help not prison. So maybe we should all start writting our congressmen to change the laws, demand something be done about the high priced health care plans that are in place, maybe tell them to take a pay cut and quit traveling on jets and staying in 5 star hotels. That right there would pay for a lot of peoples mental health issues, medication and some real rehabiliation instead of throwing them (the children) away like they are trash.
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I knew there was more to this story than met the eye and now I am even more upset about this case. This child has endured a horrible life from the get go and the system did in fact fail him.

http://jacksonville.com/news/crime/2...eglected-child
Thank you for that article, I hadn't seen that yet. This is so sad.
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Afwul, just awful.The abuse seems to have been passed along by many hands in this family.I was'nt surprised that at one point the 12 yr. old was living with an addicted grandmother at a flea bag hotel.His mother was only 12 when she gave birth to him.The poor little 2 year old obviously suffered before at the hands of his older brother with a leg that had been broken and explain by a playground fall.Very sad for the whole family.Praying
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so so sad,,,why would they do this to a young child ,,,,he needs help,, not to be locked up ,,god bless this family,,and shame on this so called justice crap,that is what it is......
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you know as I listened to the story all I could think of is why didn't someone help this little boy before this happened. How ironic that his name is Christian when he apparently was never exposed to the love of Christ - -the only thing that could have helped him survive the abuse he was living. weren't there teachers that saw something . .and I can't blame social workers that may have been assigned to the case because they are so overworked and have so many cases they can't keep up? and more than likely they moved often, so social services probably couldn't have kept up with him . . I wonder if he even went to school . . weren't there neighbors who could help? or relatives? the sad thing is no one reached out to help him . . .and sadly, in a horrible way, maybe he saved his little brother from a lifetime of abuse -- his little brother won't be beaten, raped, molested . .he is now in the arms of God. As for Christian, how I hope he is at least put in a section of the jail where his abuse won't continue, I can't begin to imagine what the years of abuse and not ever being loved has done to him -- he is probably only a shell of a person. It seems everyone has failed him . .from the moment he was born. This story is tragic. I hope when he is in prison someone kind (obviously it will have to be an inmate) will take him under their care and watch over him and help him.
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It is an outrage these kids are charged with adult crimes. How can they held responsible when the law says they are responsible enough to vote, drive, drink, get a job, etc.?

This kid is a victim himself.

What can we do about putting these babies in prison?
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The people who failed Christian and David are his mother and grandmother.

Christian should have been adopted by a loving family. What 12 year old keeps their child to raise? WTH? Grandmother too doped up to give HER child any guidance.

Now the "system" has the monumental task of rehabilitating a child that never had a lick of guidance or proper care.

These "parental figures" should be stripped of their freedoms.

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my gosh... this is going to really scar him for the rest of his life now.. its such a young age to really understand this all. truely mind blowing ugh makes me sick to my stomach

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We have a case here in PA..a boy who was 11 shot and killed his pregnant future stepmom. He is being tried as an adult. from the article:



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I thought about this Pennsylvania case as I was reading this thread. The sad thing is that in both states (PA & FL), a person receiving a LIFE sentence is not eligible for parole. What sort of society would lock up a 12 year-old for the next 70+ years?
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my gosh... this is going to really scar him for the rest of his life now.. its such a young age to really understand this all. truely mind blowing ugh makes me sick to my stomach

Yes, I agree. The incarceration and eventual trial will be an added scar on this boy's life.

But they aren't the scars that molded the monster in him and allowed him to do what he did to David. That rests soley on the shoulders of a mother too young to know better and a Grandmother too doped up to give a rat's azz.

If the system was guilty of anything, it was seeing a 14 year old and her 2 yr old baby walk in and out of foster care. I wish we had the resources, funding, manpower AND authority to take every situation like this and ASSUME that a child in that environment will be a danger to themselves or someone else in the forseeable future. In our free society, however, parental rights are so protected, common sense takes a back seat.

That mother knew David was in danger. He was consistantly and slowly being tortured in that home. This wasn't a tantrum by Christian overnight. Christian beat David so badly, that David had to be treated for a broken leg in January. David must have feared waking up every morning, having no idea why he hurt. What did "mom" do? She lied and made no attempt to get help for her violent son, let alone the one getting beaten. When she came home that fateful day to an unresponsive David, she doesn't call 911, she doesn't seek help from anyone...she just waits around hoping he comes to. Stupidity and neglect. All David wanted to do was breathe at that point.

I do not believe that Christian should be tried as an adult. I believe he should be dealt with through the juvenile system, and trust the saints that work with these troubled youths to do the best they can with the hand they've been dealt. And I would expect that type of work would require years and years and years and years of therapy. I wouldn't want to see him out anytime soon.

But that mother should be facing a hellofa lot more than manslaughter. She and her mother should be taken out of circulation and stripped of every right imaginable. They stripped both of these boys from all the dignity, gifts and grace they were given by the God. Makes me physically sick.
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The people who failed Christian and David are his mother and grandmother.

Christian should have been adopted by a loving family. What 12 year old keeps their child to raise? WTH? Grandmother too doped up to give HER child any guidance.

Now the "system" has the monumental task of rehabilitating a child that never had a lick of guidance or proper care.

These "parental figures" should be stripped of their freedoms.

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The mother gave birth to this boy when she was only 12, the same age as he is now. She, herself, was obviously abused. She, herself, is a victim. She needs help not further victimisation as does her son.
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Way to many are going onto prison now. The thing is when you go in young not having worked or lived. What will you do when getting out. Yes prayer or out to this young man.
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Im really torn. Yes, what if it was my child that killed my other child? How would I feel? praise god I may never know. But unlike all the responses before you,,,,,,,,, I would be beyond angry, resentful, and feel hatred before I could even begin to be able to heal from such a horrific event.

I will say I would still have to as a parent do my best to find him the best care possible, but could I ever do it whole heartedly or would it be out of duty? I cant answer that.

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My heart really goes out to the family of these 2 children. How sad that a 2 year old's life was taken before he/she ever had a start.
The justice system is failing all around us. I see it everyday myself but what exactly are you suppose to do with troubled children and adolescents? I'm sure no one on this board actually believes that the state or federal government is going to try to pay for rehabilitation. The government is not set up to deal with mental issues and for sure will not fund the stint of a mental health facility. It doesn't happen. There are so many mentally ill people in prison that I quit looking at the statistics some time ago. And then boy/girl obviously has some issues as well.
I think most of us a comparing this case to our children. 'OMG what if that was my child!' But let me tell you, I have come across some very disturbed children in my life. Children that have no consensus, remorse, feelings, or regrets. They need mental help not prison. So maybe we should all start writting our congressmen to change the laws, demand something be done about the high priced health care plans that are in place, maybe tell them to take a pay cut and quit traveling on jets and staying in 5 star hotels. That right there would pay for a lot of peoples mental health issues, medication and some real rehabiliation instead of throwing them (the children) away like they are trash.
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Scar him? He killed his brother.(he was already scarred ). I know he didnt plan it, but he did. And that brings up some very serious issues to be considered.

We can blame it on genetics and rightfully so!. But that does not change the here and now. No amount of hugs and coddling is going to change the reality of the situation. Whatever damage, its been done. Hugs and love isnt going to change it now.

He needs intensive one on one counseling that he isnt going to get from the system.



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My prayers are going up for both little boys right now. I just hope that Christian is treated with patience and respect as the authorities try to get to the bottom of the reasons why.

The loss of one child's life for any parent is tragic, the loss of two lives must be almost unbearable.

All I know is that whatever the crime Jesus still loves Christian and if he gets to the point of a repentant heart then he will be forgiven.
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