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Old 01-16-2014, 01:10 PM
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Angry Going in soon. Oh C***p/Updated

After meeting barrister for briefing yesterday I gof major shock. So far I'd been told as I've pleaded guilty to some offences I'd definitely be going to jail, but, there'd be a gap between jury's decision and sentencing while reports were written assessing my risk etc.
So I planned on court next week, then a gap of three weeks ish so I could give notice on my flat and set my affairs in order etc.
Found out yesterday I'm more likely to be remanded straight from court, so now I'm panicking like mad. Need to give landlord notice, sell my car, move bank accounts, clear and prob sell all I possess in here, and all before next Mondays trial starts (3 days).
No stress honest !
Just to throw another spanner in. My RLO is telling my ex partner (my sons mum) that it will be adjourned for pre sentencing reports.
Who do I believe ?
My barrister who is an "expert" in my kind of case.
Or my RLO who is Police officer and dealt with numerous offenders line myself ?

Sorry to rant, but nowhere else could I post this without a torrent of abuse.

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Old 01-17-2014, 05:02 PM
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Spoke to solicitor today, many questions to ask but regarding pre sentence report we could ask for one but as I'm pleading guilty to all but one charge now "it'd be wasting the courts time and the judge would look at it less favourably". In other words, no pre sentence reports for me then.

Of interest I also phoned Hull prison to ask what I needed / could bring in with me. Got told as a convicted prisoner to walk in with what I'm wearing, no extra socks undies toiletries etc which kind of contradicts what I've heard before ! Just hope this wasn't some PO yanking my chain, although I'm fair judge of character and she was either genuine or she's bloody good at bull !

Update further if I can.......

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Old 01-17-2014, 05:27 PM
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Unlike america people who have been sentenced to prison can't self surrender. In the UK you'll be sentenced and the handcuffs will go on a few seconds later and you'll be taken out of the dock to the court cells. After that you wait for the prison van in the court cells. It could take from half an hour to many hours for you to get on a van.

Pre sentencing reports can be helpful to a case where a defendant has a mental disorder or illness. If sentencing has been delayed for reports which come back showing no signs of any problems it could slightly annoy a judge in theory. If you think you suffer from no mental health problems or disorders it's probably best to skip them. I would personally take what your barrister is saying as the truth at the moment but don't take my word.

As for clothing I was allowed to take some socks and a toothbrush but it might vary from prison to prison. What you can take is very limited anyway and will probably be provided. The most important thing to take is money. Keep some money in your pocket in court like £50. Money should get added to your account the first hour you arrive in prison and allows you to make phone calls and buy things from the prison canteen (shop) and can make your life easier than extra clothes. If you don't take in any money it can take up to two weeks to add money to your phone (phone credit is bought via the canteen which is done once weekly and only for the following week). If you don't take any money the prison might give you some which is only a few pounds and will actually be a loan.
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I'm pretty sure even in America it's only federal time where people self surrender . When my boyfriend went in the handcuffs went on in the courtroom and he was led out by the sheriffs looking back over his shoulder at me sitting there crying like in a bad motion picture (I tend to be a little dramatic ..I am a Leo) sorry for your situation but you will persevere ..hang in there !
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Old 01-17-2014, 09:24 PM
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Thanks guys, I hate not being in control and being inside is really going to screw my head.
I was just peeved that for last six months I'd been told there would be a two to three week gap between Court and sentencing so finding out Wed's that I have less than a week to sort my outside life out was a real kick in the man bits.

Nines I've replied via pm thanks, you actually made more sense above than both barrister and solicitor !

Still bricking court Monday, even though I already know I'll get a guilty verdict. If it wasn't for one charge I'd have plead guilty to them all just to save a jury's time (and get full credits for early plea of course).

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You'll probably be out sooner than you think. My cell mate had a 3 year sentence and he said it was over in a flash. Time seems to warp a little in prison.
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Have better idea tomorrow but estimate somewhere between three and six.
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Hmm 3 and six ? Underestimated that !
Trial cancelled, made a deal with CPS / CJS. Changed one not guilty to a modified guilty (they agreed to my original statement, not the victims grossly inflated one) and they dropped four other charges.
Think they knew they had enough to send me away anyway so to save court time negotiated.
Not happy I've had to plead to something I know didn't happen, but it's complicated. At least my o/h no longer has to take stand against me which is massive relief for her.

Waiting for probation to do pre sentence report now then back next month for sentencing.

Least I get time to sort stuff out now before i go....
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At least you now know what's happening and you have time to sort yourself out

Make sure your solicitor finds out what the pre sentencing report says, that way you will know what recommendations probation are making. All the best honey
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Will you 100% have custody?
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On who ? Not following you sorry
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Had probation interview today (pre sentence report).
I know you can never rely on gut instinct but think it actually went well. I'll be dealing with him inside as well so good to see a face I'll recognise.
Think I've sold house as well, cutting it bit fine but it's one less thing o/h has to sort.....
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I meant will you 100% be going INTO custody, into prison?
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Oh sorry yes. I'm with you now (was late night + stress).

Yes definitely going inside, from what probation said I reckon four years minimum......
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Whats the offense?!
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Three days till I become resident behind bars. Surprisingly calm at minute, think I'm like a lot of inmates and more worried how those left behind will cope.
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Big day looms, packing my IT gear away so end of this post till I get out in few years.

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Big day looms, packing my IT gear away so end of this post till I get out in few years.

Thanks to all who contributed.

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Well THAT was educational !

Original estimate of four to six years turned into 11.9 ! (9.9 after appeal)

Ferk me, what a fun experience never to be repeated. Met some great folks, met some complete nutters and got on with most

Typically the honorable judge went overboard on sentencing (hence appeal) .
Starting point for one charge was four years, he supposedly gave me full discount for early guilty plea and promptly gave me eight, never have worked that out (Nor the appeal Judges).
Think he sentenced me because of who I worked for, not the crime.

Anyway.
Been out two years, life is, well Covid!
I'm alive and survived which unfortunately some of my colleagues didn't.
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