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Old 12-27-2019, 09:43 AM
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Hello everyone. I’m feeling a bit scared and panicked and wasn’t sure where to turn to and then thought of this forum. I really hope that’s ok?

About a year ago now I changed jobs as started working as a personal assistant/secretary at this large company near where I live. Long story short my boss (who is the person I am a PA for) for was arrested at the beginning of last week. There have been a lot of rumours flying around and I won’t post exactly what here, as I don’t want to incriminate her or myself even further.

Soon after this, I was also visited by the police who spoke to me in detail for a long period of time about my boss and everything I had been doing for her. It actually freaked me out a little bit and now I’m panicking that I might be linked to all of this somehow. That is the feeling the police are giving me too, although I’ve not been formally charged with anything yet.

Does anyone have any advice for me? I realize that many people will probably say I need to speak to a lawyer. Is that the case? Money is tight for me and I really don’t have a lot spare right now! And advice would be very much appreciated.
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Def need to run this by an attny. Wish you had done so prior to talking with the police.
But thats water under the bridge.
I'd try contacting one and ask for a consult. It may not be that horrible much cost wise.
Sorry this has happened.
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Thank you so much! I know it was stupid to talk to the police, but it all took me really by surprise. One minute I was sitting at my desk, the next they were there and wanted a word with me. I thought it would look bad if I said no. I never imagined they would talk to be for so long and start to basically integrate me!
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Its so difficult for me to think about if it were to happen to me.

I mean its one thing if you know you broke the law, but entirely another if the questions are being asked about someone else. Or you THINK they are being asked about someone else.
I should watch that video again called......Never talk to the police. It reinforces things for me.
I think at this point try to get a consult. If asked anything further by detectives/police...I'd probably say I need to speak with my attny and have him/her present should you need to talk with me again.
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Thank you so much! I know it was stupid to talk to the police, but it all took me really by surprise. One minute I was sitting at my desk, the next they were there and wanted a word with me. I thought it would look bad if I said no. I never imagined they would talk to be for so long and start to basically integrate me!
Remember, in spite of anything they say, police are not there to help you or help your boss. They are gathering information for prosecutors. I don't know if you need a lawyer or not at this point. Try to remember what police said / you said in case it comes up later and you do need a lawyer.

Don't talk to police again. Police are good at making you say things or, as you point out, make you feel like you will look bad if you don't talk to them. Don't post anything specific here as this is a public forum - you seem to understand that.
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Thank you to everyone. I'm really scared now I might have incriminated myself or my boss! I know it was not a good idea! Hopefully this will be the end of it all though, but I don't know for sure.
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Did they mirandize you? (is that the right word?).
From now on I would not speak to them again without legal counsel. You might not be in trouble at all but they can use anything you say against you and her. The police/detectives need to do their job but sometimes they might not be too sensitive to some people because they need the info about the crime.
But.... you are probably not at fault at all, you were just working closely together. But get advice and don't talk to them again without legal assistant. It's just for your protection.
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Hi Mizzy, no they did not mirandize me. They simply told me they wanted a ‘little chat’ and sat down with me in my office. It was only when they started asking me probing questions about my boss and my own work that I realized how serious it all was. I was really taken aback when they started asking me about other specific deals and contracts I’d helped my boss with!

I’m actually heart broken with the developments. I was told to take time off over Christmas and come back to work today. Then this morning I was immediately called into the office of the head of the whole company who told me that in light on the allegations against my boss and my connection they were suspecting me immediately from my job, which has left me feeling really concerned and obviously very upset. I honestly never knew how serious this all was until today!

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The police aren't able to use anything you said during the first interview against you personally because they didn't advise you of your rights to a lawyer, and your right to refuse to answer any questions you believe in any way might be incriminating.

That doesn't mean you are home free, especially since your employer feels you are involved in the crime enough to fire you. If you have sufficient knowledge/proof against your former boss to interest the prosecutors in obtaining your cooperation, and in your possible testimony, you need to have a lawyer involved in case they, or the police, contact you further. Your lawyer will protect you from prosecutorial abuse by negotiating the terms of your cooperation, or by educating you on your rights in case the discussions break down and you are subpoenaed to testify. Police and prosecutors are allowed to lie in order to obtain admissions that are clearly against your own best interests. If you lie to them instead, it can constitute a new crime against you.
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If you lie to them instead, it can constitute a new crime against you.
What charge would that be?
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The police aren't able to use anything you said during the first interview against you personally because they didn't advise you of your rights to a lawyer, and your right to refuse to answer any questions you believe in any way might be incriminating.

That doesn't mean you are home free, especially since your employer feels you are involved in the crime enough to fire you. If you have sufficient knowledge/proof against your former boss to interest the prosecutors in obtaining your cooperation, and in your possible testimony, you need to have a lawyer involved in case they, or the police, contact you further. Your lawyer will protect you from prosecutorial abuse by negotiating the terms of your cooperation, or by educating you on your rights in case the discussions break down and you are subpoenaed to testify. Police and prosecutors are allowed to lie in order to obtain admissions that are clearly against your own best interests. If you lie to them instead, it can constitute a new crime against you.
No. They can still use stuff against you. Depends on whether you were detained or not. If she was able to get up and leave, they did not have to Mirandize her.

It's like this - they go to a murder scene and talk to the person who discovered the body. They do not have to Mirandize that person, or anybody else until they are getting ready to take a person “downtown” for a formal interview, and even then, if the person can get up and leave, Miranda is not required.

oP - pay for an hour of attorney time and pay out everything that you know and experienced to that attorney. You will get a clearer answer then. Then you will know if you have potential criminal liability, whether you can expect to be a witness against your former boss, or whether you are superfluous to the charges against your boss.

Get rid of the desire to protect your boss - it will only get you in trouble.

When in doubt, ask for a lawyer. One will be provided for you or you will be cut loose. Do not listen when they ask why you might need a lawyer or state that only guilty people need lawyers. Just ask for a lawyer. Ask also if you are free to go. If you are free to go, leave.
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My son always believed "the truth shall set you free"..until he had to deal with law enforcement. Their "friendly chat" never turns out good for you. We just watched the Richard Jewell movie. It was a classic example of how people can be deceived & even their innocent remarks can be twisted against them. The lawyer in the movie kept advising the Jewell character to not talk. But he couldn't help himself, he wanted to be helpful & prove he was innocent. In reality he was just digging his own hole deeper.
My dad was a retired lawyer. His advice to us was say nothing but LAWYER. Let someone who knows the law & can stand between you & them do that. It's worth the money. One of my son's lawyers said that if you have a good attorney you'll have to spend money but you have a better chance of being free to earn more. If you try it on your own you might save some money but what is having your life back worth? My answer is PRICELESS.
Keeping fingers crossed that all goes well for you. I would definitely make notes while everything is fresh in your mind & give it to an attorney. If you leave it laying around & the police do decide to search your stuff, they can & will use it to build their version of the facts.
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My advice would be dont say anything. If you give the police an inch they will make it a mile. You will be surprised how they can put a story together off of assumptions. If you feel that they could potentially charge you with a crime. Call an attorney it will be worth the money.
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Thank you all. I've arranged to speak with a lawyer immediately.
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Am so glad Yourself popped in.
VERY glad wintermisk that you are going to go ahead and contact an attny!
Whew. At least you will know better if you have said something to get you in trouble, or done anything to warrant being in trouble.


I am guessing you meant that the big boss suspended you? Meaning you have not lost your job, just yet? I hope so.
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VERY glad wintermisk that you are going to go ahead and contact an attny!
Whew. At least you will know better if you have said something to get you in trouble, or done anything to warrant being in trouble.


I am guessing you meant that the big boss suspended you? Meaning you have not lost your job, just yet? I hope so.
Thank you for the kind words. Yes, I've only been suspended not fired. I'm very disappointed, but being rational I do understand a little why they did it.

I've still not heard anything from my boss since she was arrested. Only rumours from co-workers. I'm wondering if she could be in jail or if she is just out on bail now?
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I'd not concern yourself with your old boss. In fact, I'd avoid talking with her if she tries to contact you.


And remember rumors are just rumors. I wouldnt talk to your other coworkers either, not until this is over (and even maybe not then either)
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Did they mirandize you? (is that the right word?).
From now on I would not speak to them again without legal counsel. You might not be in trouble at all but they can use anything you say against you and her. The police/detectives need to do their job but sometimes they might not be too sensitive to some people because they need the info about the crime.
But.... you are probably not at fault at all, you were just working closely together. But get advice and don't talk to them again without legal assistant. It's just for your protection.

By the time they read Miranda to you little late you are under arrest. Every thing you say prior to Miranda will be used against you.
It is hard when the police contact you not to talk. You are usually caught off guard when they contact you. Best policy is say nothing you are not obligated to speak to them just give them your name then decline to answer any questions. After a certain amount of time you ask if you are free to leave. then remain silent. try and keep track of the time. If you ask for a attorney during the interview they will say you are not under arrest, then you ask to leave once again. Easy to say sitting here behind my keyboard, but once you buy one lesson . You will never speak to the Police again even if you are not involved in anything . To many people try to talk their way out of the Police Station, which usually ends up with the person saying to much. Silence is your best friend when dealing with the police. No matter how pissed off they get at you. Do not fall for any of their B.S lies like "Help us. We will ask the D.A. to go easy on you" The police have nothing to due with that
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Glad you got a lawyer, hopefully a criminal lawyer who is experienced with federal manners. You also should speak to an employment lawyer, to review what your employer is doing. Do not sign anything at work without legal review. Maryland is a good state for workers, so you have that on your side.

I think you have been a little too relaxed about this, but it sounds like you know others could try to target you. If you still have access to the company computer, I think you should DL all your emails and correspondence in case you need them later. Let us know how this turns out. And don't let your boss or employer railroad you.
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Hello everyone. I’m feeling a bit scared and panicked and wasn’t sure where to turn to and then thought of this forum. I really hope that’s ok?

About a year ago now I changed jobs as started working as a personal assistant/secretary at this large company near where I live. Long story short my boss (who is the person I am a PA for) for was arrested at the beginning of last week. There have been a lot of rumours flying around and I won’t post exactly what here, as I don’t want to incriminate her or myself even further.

Soon after this, I was also visited by the police who spoke to me in detail for a long period of time about my boss and everything I had been doing for her. It actually freaked me out a little bit and now I’m panicking that I might be linked to all of this somehow. That is the feeling the police are giving me too, although I’ve not been formally charged with anything yet.

Does anyone have any advice for me? I realize that many people will probably say I need to speak to a lawyer. Is that the case? Money is tight for me and I really don’t have a lot spare right now! And advice would be very much appreciated.
Thank you from a slightly scared lady!
Keep your mouth shut and get an attorney. Guilty innocent or in the middle.... just shhh for now. Good luck
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I don’t know anything bout your situation but if you are in a position at work directly reporting to a boss report sent of leadership and you are not holding an executive title you will have some rights as a subordinate!!!

Understand you may have a position of offense and not defense in some cases!!!!
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So, I feel like I should post an update on everything. I was officially arrested last week and formally charged. The experience was like a nightmare and I feel sick to my stomach.

It seems like my boss is trying to put the blame on me for actions she benefited from. I really can’t believe it. I am determined to prove that I am innocent though and had nothing to do with this whole mess!

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I'm sorry that sucks. Of course your boss is going to try to shift everything on you. I hope everything turns out ok for you. Good luck!
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Ug. I am so sorry.

How considerate of your ex boss.
Well I hope it goes in your favor. wrong wrong wrong.
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