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Old 02-04-2007, 11:03 PM
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Default Ethics of Odinism / Asatru

Greetings,

I noticed that there are a few different threads of spiritualities mentioned here on this page. All are very good and valid to the adherence thereof. But there was none for the Odinist or Asatruar. Some of you might have a loved one that has mentioned this faith and not known what they were talking about. I hope that those who's loved ones are following this path of spirituality will not shun them for this, but rather gain a bit of knowledge and understand a little better why they walk this path.

Without going too far in depth as to the theology and terminology I would like to start this thread off as basic as possible, of what is believed by us.

Since adherence of this spiritual path are generally unknown to public at large I'll start off small with what we call the Nine Noble Virtues. These words are not like a list of 'Thou Shalt Nots'. They are a form of mental reference to reflect upon the greater good of ones Folk in all their daily actions. They are as follows:
Courage

Truth

Honour

Fidelity

Discipline

Hospitality

Industriousness

Self-Reliance

Perseverance

This was codified by the Odinic Rite, from the Havamal. An ancient writing from the peoples of Northern Europe. This belief system is the indigenous faith of the peoples of Northern Europe. As this thread continues I will try and put up a stanza of the Havamal each week. Through reading what anothers faith is about, one can begin to grasp the concepts of why and what attracts their own adherence. It is my hope that more people will come to an understanding that not all people will feel or believe the same way. But through our facilities of reasoning and learning one can attain true tolarance of others.

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Old 02-05-2007, 11:12 AM
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Default Hávamál or The Sayings of Hár

The following is from the Lee M. Hollander translation.

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The man who stands at a strange
threshold,
Should be cautious before he cross it,
Glance this way and that:

Who knows beforehand what foes may sit
Awaiting him in the hall?


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Old 02-06-2007, 05:55 AM
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To avoid any confusion, I'm just going to use the Lee M. Hollander translation for this.


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Greetings to the host,
The guest has arrived,
In which seat shall he sit?
Rash is he who at unknown doors
Relies on his good luck,




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Thanks for posting these!!
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We got a Dog, Named him Odin
The cats got mad
The kid rolled his eyes....
But they all get along and
EVERYONE is happy!


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Not a problem Mrs. D.. I figured that we need some representation in a similar fashion as the other faiths. This way I am hoping to present our ancestral way of life to those whom are open to understanding a different religion. Or, as I stated, have a loved one who have discovered their ancestral path. I'd like to dispel the misconceptions that have run rampant, ie: It's a prison religion/gang, it's racist, etc., etc.. By putting forth exactly what we believe one can view for themselves.

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Fire is needed by the newcomer
Whose knees are frozen numb;
Meat and clean linen a man needs
Who has fared across the fells,

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Very interesting...what ancestral lands would this spiritual practice be from?
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Water, too, that he may wash before
eating,

Handcloth's and a hearty welcome,
Courteous words, then courteous silence
That he may tell his tale,


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It reminds me of Chaucer.
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Hi Valentina,


Asatru / Odinism (the name really is merely a label for modern times), was the pre-Christian beliefs of the peoples of Northern Europe. Like every culture and race at one time or another in the pages of history have had their own gods, rituals and basic way of looking at life. Mankind is a very complex creature, not all will fit in the cookie cutter model of mono-culturalism. One is not better then the other. All races and cultures are unique and we should hail that diversity, rather then to try and quell it.

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I know that I said I'd post these stanzas once a week. But with my correspondences having the habit of becoming backlogged at times. I'll take the chance to put up ones while I have time.

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Who travels widely needs his wits about him,
The stupid should stay at home:
The ignorant man is often laughed at
When he sits at meat with the sage,


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Of his knowledge a man should never boast,
Rather be sparing of speech
When to his house a wiser comes:
Seldom do those who are silent Make mistakes;
mother wit Is ever a faithful friend,




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Thank you for this. I am always interested in learning about all types of beliefs.
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A guest should be courteous
When he comes to the table
And sit in wary silence,
His ears attentive,
his eyes alert:
So he protects himself,

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Fortunate is he who is favored in his lifetime
With praise and words of wisdom:
Evil counsel is often given
By those of evil heart,

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Blessed is he who in his own lifetime
Is awarded praise and wit,
For ill counsel is often given
By mortal men to each other,

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Better gear than good sense
A traveler cannot carry,
Better than riches for a wretched man,
Far from his own home,




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Better gear than good sense
A traveler cannot carry,
A more tedious burden than too much drink
A traveler cannot carry,

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Less good than belief would have it
Is mead for the sons of men:
A man knows less the more he drinks,
Becomes a befuddled fool,
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I forget is the name men give the heron
Who hovers over the feast:
Fettered I was in his feathers that night,
When a guest in Gunnlod's court

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Drunk I got, dead drunk,
When Fjalar the wise was with me:
Best is the banquet one looks back on after,
And remembers all that happened,

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Silence becomes the Son of a prince,
To be silent but brave in battle:
It befits a man to be merry and glad
Until the day of his death,

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The coward believes he will live forever
If he holds back in the battle,
But in old age he shall have no peace
Though spears have spared his limbs

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When he meets friends, the fool gapes,
Is shy and sheepish at first,
Then he sips his mead and immediately
All know what an oaf he is,

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