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Apparently there is a rumor flying around that CDCR is doing away with SNY yards and that there will be only programming and non programming yards, has anyone heard this rumor? My husband told me this today, that another inmate said his counselor mentioned it to him. It doesn't sound very concrete to me. I can't see CDCR actually doing this but then again you never know.
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It would fly in the face of them passing Prop 57 and the "R" in their title.

Who wouldn't have program? Mainline? Former SNY? And how does that status affect the ability or need to program? I can see disciplinary units not programming, but that's already in effect so...yeah, this isn't holding water.

So, no. I would chalk this up to another rumor to roll around until it dies a natural death.

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It would fly in the face of them passing Prop 57 and the "R" in their title.

Who wouldn't have program? Mainline? Former SNY? And how does that status affect the ability or need to program? I can see disciplinary units not programming, but that's already in effect so...yeah, this isn't holding water.

So, no. I would chalk this up to another rumor to roll around until it dies a natural death.
Thanks! That is exactly what I told him. There is no way this going to take place.
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Thanks! That is exactly what I told him. There is no way this going to take place.
I mean it is CDC(R?)...lol But this would be a stretch even for them. If you hear anything else, let us know. I'll ask when I see my husband next if he's heard anything.
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Apparently there is a rumor flying around that CDCR is doing away with SNY yards and that there will be only programming and non programming yards, has anyone heard this rumor? My husband told me this today, that another inmate said his counselor mentioned it to him. It doesn't sound very concrete to me. I can't see CDCR actually doing this but then again you never know.
They will have to keep SNY yards . Reason being the people that are housed in those units are there for their own safety as well as the safety of other inmates. SNY are programming yards they are not locked down 24/7 To do away with SNY yards would lead to many law suites and injuries or deaths to innocent individuals do to some of the stupid inmate politics that keep this rumor machine running
Notice when these things come up . It is always some counselor or officer saying this, never comes from Sacramento also a staff member . Staff feed the rumor mill to keep the s**t pot stirring also
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Sooo...I'm listening to the CARES for Youth conference call (Nov. 3rd) as I type this, and one of the callers rang in and asked about a memo she had read that would create a GP/SNY (volunteer honor?) program at Level 2 Donovan. The memo was dated Nov. 2016. The guest speaker from Root and Rebound didn't know anything about it, but the caller was going to forward the info to them for further research.

Not really any more info than we had, but thought I'd put it out there that someone was asking about this on that call.
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Sooo...I'm listening to the CARES for Youth conference call (Nov. 3rd) as I type this, and one of the callers rang in and asked about a memo she had read that would create a GP/SNY (volunteer honor?) program at Level 2 Donovan. The memo was dated Nov. 2016. The guest speaker from Root and Rebound didn't know anything about it, but the caller was going to forward the info to them for further research.

Not really any more info than we had, but thought I'd put it out there that someone was asking about this on that call.
This maybe a trial thing just at this institution also. They will really have to screen both groups before mixing GP/SNY Time will tell .
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This maybe a trial thing just at this institution also. They will really have to screening both groups before mixing GP/SNY Time will tell .
Someone posted in another thread about a a mixed program memo. I asked my husband if he'd heard anything (Level 3, SNY) and his immediate reaction was similar to mine...no way. So he's not heard anything, either.

He did say that the language may be tripping people up because SNY inmates are often referred to as "general population" but then further classified as active or non-active, as gangs still pop up on the SNY side.
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Someone posted in another thread about a a mixed program memo. I asked my husband if he'd heard anything (Level 3, SNY) and his immediate reaction was similar to mine...no way. So he's not heard anything, either.

He did say that the language may be tripping people up because SNY inmates are often referred to as "general population" but then further classified as active or non-active, as gangs still pop up on the SNY side.

What your husband said makes sense it is a wording thing that people on the outside do not understand CDCR ways of tangling words.
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Word on the Yards is that CDCR is trying to stir @$$@ up once more.

They are trying to force SNY and GP to live with each other "or else".

You can thank Kathleen Allison (D.A.I) for this newest turd in the pool move.

Apparently it is her idea that she can force this situation or she will take away the privileges that current Non Designated Programming facilities have.

I want everyone right now to remember this specific post that I am posting when your Loved one, who may be SNY is killed by another inmate when they try to do this. (Or even might be the opposite way around).

This will be the evidence that goes against CDCR when this happens.

CDCR is always finding new ways to get inmates to fight one another and make no mistake, this is a huge issue about to happen.

The Memo's have already started to roll out.

I suggest all you family members find a way to make some noise before your loved one is put in harms way.
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Could this be what is being talked about
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https://external-affairs-news.blogspot.com/

Could be. Thanks for the link, that's actually a bit of a treasure chest for other reasons. But...that still doesn't cover SNY. STG just means you're marked as affiliated, not necessarily that you've moved over. There are major reclassification changes happening and I think the rumor mill is in full effect.
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Word on the Yards is that CDCR is trying to stir @$$@ up once more.

They are trying to force SNY and GP to live with each other "or else".

You can thank Kathleen Allison (D.A.I) for this newest turd in the pool move.

Apparently it is her idea that she can force this situation or she will take away the privileges that current Non Designated Programming facilities have.

I want everyone right now to remember this specific post that I am posting when your Loved one, who may be SNY is killed by another inmate when they try to do this. (Or even might be the opposite way around).

This will be the evidence that goes against CDCR when this happens.

CDCR is always finding new ways to get inmates to fight one another and make no mistake, this is a huge issue about to happen.

The Memo's have already started to roll out.

I suggest all you family members find a way to make some noise before your loved one is put in harms way.
It is very much true.

This yard was already created at Donovan and is being expanded to other facilities. I know there is another post on here about it that I have posted in.

Basically, they are trying to make these so- called "programming yards" that are not either GP or SNY. They are called programming, but in reality, they contain both GP and SNY inmates. There are specific rules that have to be followed to live there and specific requirements that have to be met to be moved to one of these yards. But the idea behind it all is that they are trying to create yards where everyone (AKA inmates) all agree to work and live together regardless of anything. An SNY inmate has to give up SNY status to live there.

I, for one, think it is a big mistake. My husband is SNY and was hurt by another inmate while on an SNY yard. It was bad enough that gangs are already infiltrating SNY yards and causing problems, now this.

CDCR thinks that this is the answer to people who wanted to get off GP/mainline and just program and live peacefully. That may be the case, but it certainly will not work for all inmates.

IMHO, there will always have to be SNY yards, and if SNY inmates get penalized because he refuses to go to this type of facility..... well who knows where that will go. A whole new set of lawsuits.
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It is very much true.

This yard was already created at Donovan and is being expanded to other facilities. I know there is another post on here about it that I have posted in.
Interesting. But that negates the "forced or else" part of the other post which would be a whole 'nother ball game. If it's voluntary, then I suppose you have to decide if it's worth dropping your SNY status.

Isn't this a lot like Honor Yards?
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Make no mistake. This is not voluntary. It seems that way, but it is "Voluntold"

CDCR's brainless theory is "Program and get benefits" - In all reality its the same stuff they have been getting... or Refuse to house with PC's and you will be courtesy transferred to a facility that does not have anything... and they will make sure and set it up that way.

This is a reality.

CDCR is trying to sneak this in in a very manipulative manner and claim that it is for the good of the inmates. To the public (Who have no real clue what goes on inside prisons) this seems like a star move.

The blood is on their hands.
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So if this is true (still struggling to see the benefit to CDCR, but hey...I'm open minded) and people are being forced to move off SNY, are they disallowing anyone from flipping sides now? I mean, are they stopping the flow of new SNY? If not, what's the point?
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The Benefit is that CDCR would divert so called "Non Programmers" into Adseg Type Yards (Controlled Groups) and be able to push SNY's to more yards.

CDCR has perfectly functioning GP yards right now that they are about to send to hell.
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as an aside....my husband didnt get a choice. He was placed on sny. Told he would always be on an sny yard.
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Make no mistake. This is not voluntary. It seems that way, but it is "Voluntold"
He is correct. CHCF started this one or two months ago. All inmates were required to sign up to program. Or not sign up. Explicitly.

Inmates who agreed to program are maintaining normal benefits. Those who did not sign up had privileges removed. Contact visits were removed for example. I don't know the future for those inmates, but indications are they will all be transferred out of CHCF and other inmates will be transferred in who will agree to "program".

I've never been an inmate and won't venture into making predictions on how that will turn out. I'm inclined to listen to people on this thread who are experienced.
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Interesting. But that negates the "forced or else" part of the other post which would be a whole 'nother ball game. If it's voluntary, then I suppose you have to decide if it's worth dropping your SNY status.

Isn't this a lot like Honor Yards?
My son is up north at a Level II SNY but would like to transfer to Donovan to make it easier for us to visit. Our concern is the mixing of SNY & GP. Has anyone had any of their loved ones experience this at Donovan? My main concern is my son's safety of course.

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He is correct. CHCF started this one or two months ago. All inmates were required to sign up to program. Or not sign up. Explicitly.

Inmates who agreed to program are maintaining normal benefits. Those who did not sign up had privileges removed.
Well, damn. That's interesting. I don't really understand how they can forcibly remove SNY status, but I guess they're not. "Voluntold", as was said, leaves that open.

I'll be curious to see how those who didn't opt to program are handled. :/
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Well, damn. That's interesting. I don't really understand how they can forcibly remove SNY status, but I guess they're not. "Voluntold", as was said, leaves that open.

I'll be curious to see how those who didn't opt to program are handled. :/
CHCF is in transition on this as I understand. I do know that GP was told they had to decide on programming. And those that didn't have lost privileges and are in a "holding" state.

I do not know exactly if and how SNY is handled, if they will be integrated in any way with GP, or have to give up status. And I don't want to represent that. Yet.

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This came up during visit this past weekend. Here's what was said, in a nutshell:

The two yards that this is happening on are, in essence, being viewed as SNY by inmates. Mainline inmates who land on that yard have three days (inmate set timeline) to get off the yard. Yes, that means by whatever means. If they're still there on the fourth day, they're "no good". In other words, they've gone SNY themselves. Some of this goes back to the standard practice of showing your papers. If it's determined that you spent significant time on an SNY yard when your papers are shown, it's no good for you. That's where the 3 day "rule" came from.

Does this put actual SNY inmates in danger? It would seem so.
It's also been viewed as a way of going SNY without looking weak. Someone who has been on the fence is now 'forced' into it.
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This came up during visit this past weekend. Here's what was said, in a nutshell:

The two yards that this is happening on are, in essence, being viewed as SNY by inmates. Mainline inmates who land on that yard have three days (inmate set timeline) to get off the yard. Yes, that means by whatever means. If they're still there on the fourth day, they're "no good". In other words, they've gone SNY themselves. Some of this goes back to the standard practice of showing your papers. If it's determined that you spent significant time on an SNY yard when your papers are shown, it's no good for you. That's where the 3 day "rule" came from.

Does this put actual SNY inmates in danger? It would seem so.
It's also been viewed as a way of going SNY without looking weak. Someone who has been on the fence is now 'forced' into it.
That makes sense. And would scare me. These are not SNY per CDCR. But inmates view them as SNY. My understanding is CDCR sort of gives you a choice:

Take it or leave it.

You can say no and leave it. They remove privileges and presumably move you somewhere else. At least when you arrive somewhere else other inmates view you as "good".

You can say yes and take it. You are still GP. But you are not good per other inmates. I guess you're OK if you stay at that prison since you're with other inmates who made the same choice.

What the hell happens to you if CDCR decides one day to transfer you to another prison - GP yard? Unless I'm missing something, you would need to go to SNY for your safety.
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