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Old 07-30-2017, 01:11 AM
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OK folks, here's the situation. I was told that my old conviction only had a 10 year shelf life and would not appear in Canadian records. WRONG!! As I was heading up to Niagara Falls, ON for some sightseeing, I got detained by Canadian Customs for 3 hours ending up being declared inadmissible because of my 20 YO arson conviction. They told me the only recourse I had was to get a "Certificate of Rehabilitation" from the Canadian Consulate in NYC in order to be able to cross the border. Now, the processing cost is $770 US and the timeframe ranges between 8 months to a year and even then no guarantees. Plus my particular case was from being railroaded into it in the first place! That being said, how do I approach this new task? Because I am hoping to drive motorcoach next year and I NEED to be able to cross the border.
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If you want to go to Canada, you will have to complete their "process" and hope that our formerly friendly neighbors to the north will permit it. I used to drive to Alaska regularly, but as long as I can still fly there, I refuse to go anywhere I'm not wanted, especially if it comes with a $770.00 application fee.
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If you want to go to Canada, you will have to complete their "process" and hope that our formerly friendly neighbors to the north will permit it. I used to drive to Alaska regularly, but as long as I can still fly there, I refuse to go anywhere I'm not wanted, especially if it comes with a $770.00 application fee.
My only saving grace is the length of time and nothing but some traffic tickets since then.
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Then you may be approved in about a year, but minus $770.00.

One prime minister or one president can cause a huge amount of negative change (or positive, depending on your perspective) for an entire society.
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Then you may be approved in about a year, but minus $770.00.

One prime minister or one president can cause a huge amount of negative change (or positive, depending on your perspective) for an entire society.
That plus the truth that I was wrongfully convicted, but because of a weak alibi witness, I wound up taking a plea. Now this means confronting the fire marshals once again. But this time, I would have the Buffalo Fire Department Division Chief and my attorney present. Perhaps some legal pressure would force a statement of admission from them which I need as proof of this.
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This "wrongfully convicted" approach is going to fall apart pretty fast.

When you took the plea, you convicted yourself. You are the one that said you did it.

Who are you going to try to blame for that? How can you claim they wrongfully convicted you after you told them you were guilty?

As for "legal pressure", I think you might have some high hopes there. Other than a term that will do little or nothing for you, what form does this grand "legal pressure" take?
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You will be asking the Canadian bureaucracy for a favor, thus the one year wait for an answer, and the exorbitant cost. I hope you are approved, but think about seeing Niagara Falls from the US side instead.
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The $770 is a drop in the bucket compared to what OP will waste chasing frivolous litigation trying to unwind an antique conviction through the appellate process...not to mention it will be faster to pay the Canuck fee.
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Fwiw, a friend and sociology professor got refused admittance to a convention in Canada where she'd been invited as a major speaker. Her crime? Drug possession, personal use amount, 30 years prior. It was a misdemeanor in CA at the time and it was a couple of joints or something. Canada takes a number of crimes very seriously, drugs and crimes of violence being high on that list. My friend didn't even remember the conviction, after all, she'd finished her degree, got her PhD with all that entails, got married, had a kid, got tenure, wrote a couple of books....
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Fwiw, a friend and sociology professor got refused admittance to a convention in Canada where she'd been invited as a major speaker. Her crime? Drug possession, personal use amount, 30 years prior. It was a misdemeanor in CA at the time and it was a couple of joints or something. Canada takes a number of crimes very seriously, drugs and crimes of violence being high on that list. My friend didn't even remember the conviction, after all, she'd finished her degree, got her PhD with all that entails, got married, had a kid, got tenure, wrote a couple of books....
As I indicated in my other post, I'm not looking to overturn the conviction. I have to explain to Canadian Immigration the circumstances behind the conviction and I'm not about to lie about it. This is why I need a statement of admission from the BFD in order to back up my explanation.
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In cases I know of, 3 years is more likely the norm. The US treats Canada terribly, and this is one primary way of pushback. I don't blame them. If you are serious about getting a visa, I expect you will need to hire a lawyer or representative. At least they are willing to consider making exceptions, as opposed to Australia.
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In cases I know of, 3 years is more likely the norm. The US treats Canada terribly, and this is one primary way of pushback. I don't blame them. If you are serious about getting a visa, I expect you will need to hire a lawyer or representative. At least they are willing to consider making exceptions, as opposed to Australia.
It's not a visa, it is a Certificate of Rehabilitation. And the timeframe is between 8-12 months. In addition, I can get a Temporary Resident Permit (TRP) So I can work sooner.
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Looks like I may have this problem solved! I contacted an immigration attorney and he explained the entire process to me in a way for me to understand. Next February when it's tax time for me, I'm taking my refunds, plus whatever savings I build up, and retaining him to get this going. First thing is to get my Temporary Resident Permit (TRP) at the border crossing while I work on my Certificate of Rehabilitation. The TRP has a shelf life of three years so I'll be OK.
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OK folks, time for an update. My case manager for my attorney has me gathering the last of my documents that either need to be mailed out via snail mail or scanned and E-mailed to their office. This should be completed by next week Friday. Now, my attorney said that since Canadians love TRP and Rehabilitation candidates with job requirements to enter Canada, and since it's been 15 years after my discharge from probation, they say I am a strong candidate for those documents. All I'm waiting on is my NYS rap sheet and character reference letters. Very encouraging, folks. Very encouraging.

Oh, did I forget to mention I came across an early Christmas present that enabled me to hire the attorney two months ahead of schedule?
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