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Old 07-29-2009, 09:57 PM
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Can anyone tell me if there is a difference between Changes and Voyager? My husband said they are the same and since he has completed one can he get his sentenced shortened.
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I know Voyager is religious based, but I think Changes is more about decision making, kind of like cognitive intervention. Mrs. Vincent who does Voyager at Gist is very good about getting the guys to open up.
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That is the difference. Here is an excerpt from the preciousheart.net site that gives a bit of a description ...

The Voyager Program was most the recent statewide chaplaincy effort and was a team effort with the Windham School District. Half of the program curriculum used by the chaplaincy department was a duplication of Windham's total Changes Program. The latter half of the Voyager Program was additional material that was spiritually based and flexible enough to accommodate different religions. The Voyager Program was designed to help prisoners explore personal, spiritual, and interpersonal growth issues utilizing a workbook and group dynamics under the guidance of a facilitator.

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http://www.preciousheart.net/chaplai...ng_History.htm
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I don't think just because he completed one of those classes that he can get his sentence shortened, tho. Usually the classes are required before they are released on Parole. They are usually required to take it within 2 years of being released, so the fact that he's completed it is a good sign.
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Michele is right, it won't affect when he is released other than most folks are required to take Changes (or Voyager, if available and they choose it) before release so if he has it done then there will be no wait to complete it if he is approved for parole
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Am I to understand that they can voluntarily take Changes? They don't need to wait to be directed by the parole board to take it? And if they've taken cognitive intervention, should/would they be required to also take Changes?
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I don't think Changes is something they can request, but the unit will sign them up for it or the Parole Board will require it as a condition of release. It is a separate class from Cognitive Intervention, tho they might go over some of the same things that they did in CI. There are several units (I think 7), each one lasting 10 days. My fiancee is in it now and is really enjoying it. And, contrary to what I've read on other posts, he doesn't watch a video every day. He really likes his teacher, too.
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My son just completed his first week of cognitive intervention. He loves it too! And it's not a fluff class or waste of taxpayor dollars as I've seen others posting. It's for real! Now, he does describe some of those in as, well, imagine Animal House meets TDCJ ... but the instructor has control over it and uses some of the bizarreness to really make them think. And believe it or not ... he's got my son journaling!!!!! Who woulda thunk?
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Changes is not a class that someone can simply choose to take. Anyone that is in Changes has been placed there by the parole division and it happens in the normal course of events once a person comes within two years of their PRD. I do not think that the parole division will place someone into Voyager which is voluntary. I am not certain if there are any restrictions on when someone can sign up for Voyager such as the "within two years of their PRD" restriction on Changes. I do believe that if someone takes either class too far in advance of release they will be required to take it again if it is a prerequisite for such.
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My son just completed his first week of cognitive intervention. He loves it too! And it's not a fluff class or waste of taxpayor dollars as I've seen others posting. It's for real! Now, he does describe some of those in as, well, imagine Animal House meets TDCJ ... but the instructor has control over it and uses some of the bizarreness to really make them think. And believe it or not ... he's got my son journaling!!!!! Who woulda thunk?
What's funny is after our postings of it being a "fluff" class, there was a big turn over in how it was being administered and the curriculum writer had to alter some things. Windham School did read this board and make the necessary curriculum changes to the "Change" class.

Once they know the public is "on" to them...it's amazing what is accomplished.

So...keep writing on this board everyone...it can make a difference!
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Update on Windham School Classes: Cognitive Intervention is getting rave reviews. They say it is truly useful information and well written curriculum. "Changes" on the other hand, still leaves alot to be desired. The writer of the curriculum got ticked off when she heard that experienced teachers trying to do their job disagreed with her that the class should take 220 hours to complete. Parole was told it could be completed with 180 hours (3 months) and teachers and students with teaching backgrounds look at the curriculum and agreed that it is stretching it to make the class last more than 120 hours. So it still needs some work. The quotes written by the curriculum writer quite honestly are the types of things you would see in a kindergarten classroom. My man got to meet the writer when she audited their class one day. He said she is one of the most arogant women he has ever met. Thank heavens he had a gifted and talented teacher imparting the information. She was able to make it as interesting as possible. He really wishes he had been assigned to take Cognitive Intervention instead of Changes after learning of the drastic program differences. Maybe it's time that Changes be scratched from the offerings. What do you think?
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My fiancee said that a lot of the same things from CI are in Changes. How long as your hubby been in Changes?
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My fiancee said that a lot of the same things from CI are in Changes. How long as your hubby been in Changes?
He just finished the course. He is a former teacher and writer and told me from day one when he saw the outline of the course and the curriculum he knew it wouldn't take anywhere near 180 hours to teach it. The information in Cognitive Intervention sounded to him to be much more valuable and useful to the average inmate than Changes was.

Voyager is basically the Changes class from a Christian perspective.

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Update on Windham School Classes: Cognitive Intervention is getting rave reviews. They say it is truly useful information and well written curriculum. "Changes" on the other hand, still leaves alot to be desired. The writer of the curriculum got ticked off when she heard that experienced teachers trying to do their job disagreed with her that the class should take 220 hours to complete. Parole was told it could be completed with 180 hours (3 months) and teachers and students with teaching backgrounds look at the curriculum and agreed that it is stretching it to make the class last more than 120 hours. So it still needs some work. The quotes written by the curriculum writer quite honestly are the types of things you would see in a kindergarten classroom. My man got to meet the writer when she audited their class one day. He said she is one of the most arogant women he has ever met. Thank heavens he had a gifted and talented teacher imparting the information. She was able to make it as interesting as possible. He really wishes he had been assigned to take Cognitive Intervention instead of Changes after learning of the drastic program differences. Maybe it's time that Changes be scratched from the offerings. What do you think?

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My fiancee did say that he was getting a lot out of Changes, so I don't know if it needs to be scratched completey, maybe just revamped and shortened.
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