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Default Discussion about first-time drug charges going to prison

I think someone should start a petition on first-time drug charges going to prison. I think that some people get into more trouble than they could have expected.

They should be given an automatic chance on probation with some type of class that has to be taken as well, instead of being thrown in prison for 2-10 years or more!

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I sold 2 oz of POT in pennsylvaina and was given 18-60 months in a max state prison.... 2 oz = $300 worth of pot ....1st offence ever in my life ...so do i thing there needs to be a change the answer is hells YES...
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Do you think a first time offender that gets caught with crack in a school zone should be given probation?
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I think the whole school zone thing is ridiculous anyway. If someone is soliciting drugs to children then yes, they should get a harsher punishment. And I am not saying that I believe in drugs in any way; however, the school zone thing is STUPID. Just because someone is in a school zone does not mean that they are dealing drugs to kids. The school zones are so large that in some counties pretty much the whole city is a school zone.

You also have people that get caught with drugs in THEIR OWN HOUSE that aren't even selling these drugs, be it marijuana or whatever that live across the street from a school or down the street from a school.

I don't think that first-time offenders should go to prison. Not at all. The government should be getting HELP for these people. Not locking them up in prison away from their families. The only people that actually are being punished by this is the offender's families. I think that if you commit a NONAGGRIVATED or VIOLENT crime, such as dealing drugs or doing drugs that instead of throwing you in prison for a HUGE amount of time that you should be given probation. Give the person a chance to realize on their own that what they have done is wrong. Give the person the chance to see how much trouble they could have actually gotten into. Tell them that this time you are given probation, next time you are given 10 years in prison, and I bet you 80% of the people do not get involved in this kind of trouble again. And that is 80% less space taken up in the prisons by drug offenders. And that is 80% more people that can support their families. That is 80% less families on welfare. The prisons are overcrowded as it is. The government is spending God knows how much money on feeding and housing these prisoners, when they could be given a chance to do right, but instead are being thrown in prison, taken away from their families, and leaving a HUGE mess of bills for women and children. It's just not right.

That's my opinion on it. But of course, the beauty of America is that we have freedom of speech.

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I agree, my husband has a clean record, not even a traffic ticket. He was set up dropping off 2 oz of cocaine and was sentenced to 3 years mand. but luckly he only has to serve 85% of his time so he should be home in 2008. I think they should do probation or house arrest or maybe a few months in county jail and then probation but for first time offenders to send them off to state prison for 2 or more years is crazy. I looked all over the place to see if I could get it reduced but wasn't very successful. Florida prision sucks!
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I think the whole school zone thing is ridiculous anyway. If someone is soliciting drugs to children then yes, they should get a harsher punishment. And I am not saying that I believe in drugs in any way; however, the school zone thing is STUPID. Just because someone is in a school zone does not mean that they are dealing drugs to kids. The school zones are so large that in some counties pretty much the whole city is a school zone.

You also have people that get caught with drugs in THEIR OWN HOUSE that aren't even selling these drugs, be it marijuana or whatever that live across the street from a school or down the street from a school.

I don't think that first-time offenders should go to prison. Not at all. The government should be getting HELP for these people. Not locking them up in prison away from their families. The only people that actually are being punished by this is the offender's families. I think that if you commit a NONAGGRIVATED or VIOLENT crime, such as dealing drugs or doing drugs that instead of throwing you in prison for a HUGE amount of time that you should be given probation. Give the person a chance to realize on their own that what they have done is wrong. Give the person the chance to see how much trouble they could have actually gotten into. Tell them that this time you are given probation, next time you are given 10 years in prison, and I bet you 80% of the people do not get involved in this kind of trouble again. And that is 80% less space taken up in the prisons by drug offenders. And that is 80% more people that can support their families. That is 80% less families on welfare. The prisons are overcrowded as it is. The government is spending God knows how much money on feeding and housing these prisoners, when they could be given a chance to do right, but instead are being thrown in prison, taken away from their families, and leaving a HUGE mess of bills for women and children. It's just not right.

That's my opinion on it. But of course, the beauty of America is that we have freedom of speech.

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That is so true, they should be helping the first time offenders! Help them rehabilitate with a real job so they dont do things they normally wouldnt do to get by! My man is a first time offender period.. no prior charges whatsoever, caught dealing crack/cocaine.... less than 8 grams ... He just got 16 years. Its so stupid... They take away the breadwinner and leaves his family to depend on the welfare system. They could just as easily have helped the man become more goal oriented....
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Its all a money making game and believe me the more people that they can lock up and make felons are more people that lose their right to vote, to be able to tell the truth on a job app....The rich people like Lindsey Lohan and Charlie Sheen never see time, and they've been getting high for years in front of his kids!! He is WINNING!
Locking someone up does not solve the problem...and believe me I know...Mike Huckabee was the only one that tried to do anything about getting people rehab and he's the only one that stood up for people. He was the best Govenor that Ark ever had. Start a petition to the white house and have people sign a letter that we are sick of them ruining lives over a lil dope....rapist get off with less time than a person caught with dope...and molesters can never be rehabilitated and they know that and they still let them walk the streets with their balls intact...Its a crazy world!
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I think the whole school zone thing is ridiculous anyway. If someone is soliciting drugs to children then yes, they should get a harsher punishment. And I am not saying that I believe in drugs in any way; however, the school zone thing is STUPID. Just because someone is in a school zone does not mean that they are dealing drugs to kids. The school zones are so large that in some counties pretty much the whole city is a school zone.

You also have people that get caught with drugs in THEIR OWN HOUSE that aren't even selling these drugs, be it marijuana or whatever that live across the street from a school or down the street from a school.

I don't think that first-time offenders should go to prison. Not at all. The government should be getting HELP for these people. Not locking them up in prison away from their families. The only people that actually are being punished by this is the offender's families. I think that if you commit a NONAGGRIVATED or VIOLENT crime, such as dealing drugs or doing drugs that instead of throwing you in prison for a HUGE amount of time that you should be given probation. Give the person a chance to realize on their own that what they have done is wrong. Give the person the chance to see how much trouble they could have actually gotten into. Tell them that this time you are given probation, next time you are given 10 years in prison, and I bet you 80% of the people do not get involved in this kind of trouble again. And that is 80% less space taken up in the prisons by drug offenders. And that is 80% more people that can support their families. That is 80% less families on welfare. The prisons are overcrowded as it is. The government is spending God knows how much money on feeding and housing these prisoners, when they could be given a chance to do right, but instead are being thrown in prison, taken away from their families, and leaving a HUGE mess of bills for women and children. It's just not right.

That's my opinion on it. But of course, the beauty of America is that we have freedom of speech.

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My house is within the certain school zone & that isn't something we can control. My mom was lucky to have her school zone charges dropped.. she had oxycontins & a small measure of cocaine. There is an entire forest and 2 soccer fields between my house and the school.... it's not like the little kids are even in sight of my house.
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Dangerous Drugs in a school zone is a different topic. I don't think any of us agree with that. I myself am thinking of drug users that get caught for the first time with a sizable amount to be considered "personal use".( And if they get accused of selling there also needs to be evidence..not just the word of a 2X convicted criminal or word form a COP without proof...just saying!) Forgive me this is just a touchy subject for me. Truth is anybody, from any lifestyle at anytime can become addicted to a drug. And I feel drug laws need to protect everyone!y
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Dangerous Drugs in a school zone is a different topic. I don't think any of us agree with that.

School zone charges are bullshit in most cases. If you live in an urban area, almost anywhere you go is a "school zone". An arrestee will be charged with possessing or distributing in a school zone whether or not he INTENDED to be anywhere near a school.

It is mostly a means for the prosecutor to be able to stack charges that carry mandatory minimums so that they can carry a "big stick" in plea negotiations.

It borders on slander in my opinion - make every defendant sound like some perverted candy-man who wants to corrupt little children.

I know a person who got hit with a school zone charge after being set up by an undercover officer who purchased from him inside the place where he worked NOTHING to do with being on school property but there was a school a block away, sooooo....

Another person who was in the parking lot of his apartment complex, searched by a cop who was patrolling the area (actually this person should have refused the search, but) - there was a day care a block and a half away and even though the arrest took place at night when the day care was closed and no children about....school zone charge.

Don't buy into the BS, those laws are not about protecting children, they are about maintaining the 98% guilty plea rate for prosecutors.
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look up the national criminal justice commission act of 2009. also senator jim webb of virginia
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The scary part of this whole drug war, is that NOTHING has changed in 10 years! I was in FPC Bryan TX til 2000 and it was crazy then.Ive kept up with the war and it has stayed the same. They hand down these harsh sentences and throw people and their lives away......literally! I can only imagine the pain that thousands of people and their families are going through each day,its depressing. I highly doubt it will ever change.
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I sold 2 oz of POT in pennsylvaina and was given 18-60 months in a max state prison.... 2 oz = $300 worth of pot ....1st offence ever in my life ...so do i thing there needs to be a change the answer is hells YES...
but where do we start ?????
Pot should be legal. That is stupid. I am sorry. The system likes to make money of off people and hurt families for stupid things like pot. MJ almost became legal in CA this year. We barely lost the vote. Oh and by the way, I have never even smoked a cigarette in my life. I just think that small violations that lead to state prison are stupid. If you were a movie star or celebrity, you wouldn't have gone to prison. You would have had millions of dollars of defense money to hire Cochran style attorneys.
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I said yes on the poll, but then I realized "prison". So my "yes" vote is for jail, not prison.
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The thing is, when we are talking about first-time drug offenses, that includes alot of things. There is a big difference between selling pot or selling crack, posession vs. operating a meth lab, etc. They all should not be punished the same, IMHO.
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I was just given a plea yesterday to my first time drug offense, 15 years on a class x, which means I have to serve 7 years. I was asking for 15 on a class 1, but no luck. I too think that is much, but I have no control now. I have 3 kids, 14, 7, and 2. They are the ones who are going to pay. I wish I knew of a way to get this lowered, afterall it is my first offense.
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Manufacturing is much different. I actually have a friend that has a friend that was caught manufacturing meth in Brownwood, Tx. Funny thing is he got probation... the system is so messed up. It's all about money. If you or your family have money you can get out of just about any mess you find yourself in.

Another situation, someone who was charged with the same as my husband, only 10x more of the drug... they came from a wealthy family. So their parents paid $10,000 up front in fines and they got 10 years probation and didn't even have to serve the full 10. I'm pretty sure it was 10, if not it was 5. And my husband wasted $5000 on a lawyer and got 10 years in prison... that doesn't add up. It's wrong and it is inhumane. Period!
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I dont agree. I was sentenced to prison my first offense, and if i wasnt I prob wouldnt have learned a lesson from probation. I think people that sell drugs know exactly what they are getting themselves into when they do the crime. Now I can understand someone that gets caught with a pound of marijuana, but what about 8 ounces of crack, i dont think that is for personal use. Maybe not prison but some jail time for sure. And thats my opinion, even after I was sentenced on a first time offense.
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And a petition for first time drug offenders to recieve probation? Thats a waste of paper and ink, they would never pass that law no matter how many signed it. You want a petition that is a pass to sell drugs until you get caught once, almost everybody would deal drugs until they got caught.
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I dont agree. I was sentenced to prison my first offense, and if i wasnt I prob wouldnt have learned a lesson from probation. I think people that sell drugs know exactly what they are getting themselves into when they do the crime. Now I can understand someone that gets caught with a pound of marijuana, but what about 8 ounces of crack, i dont think that is for personal use. Maybe not prison but some jail time for sure. And thats my opinion, even after I was sentenced on a first time offense.

I don't want to insult anybody here or their family members. But I was kind of thinking the same thing.

There is a difference between the types of dealers and drugs that there are. But the business of selling drugs is a violent one. There is a reason why drug dealers carry guns. Just because a person may not have been convicted of a violent crime, doesn't mean that the person isn't violent. It's an incredibily violent business.


Aside from that, I have a problem with no jail time for any felony, only because I have never seen anybody take plain probation seriously, for anything, I'm not just talking about drug offenders. Even if it's 30 days in jail, I think it is a good thing, if a person has never been in jail before, that might have a better effect on them than just probation.
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Aside from that, I have a problem with no jail time for any felony, only because I have never seen anybody take plain probation seriously, for anything, I'm not just talking about drug offenders. Even if it's 30 days in jail, I think it is a good thing, if a person has never been in jail before, that might have a better effect on them than just probation.
I don't agree. My father is a criminal attorney, and I have listened to many stories over the years. The stress of the trial, knowing how close you are to prison, the enormous fines and community service, checking in with the PO, having UA's...this makes an impression on many, many people.

The most recent one he told me was of a woman caught up in drugs, ended up selling to afford her habit....he got her ten years probation and she cleaned up 100%. And remains so years after probation is over.

The prisons are clogged with drug offenders hurting no one but themselves. And you and I are paying to house them. You and I are paying welfare for their children. I'd rather pay for rehab and have them do their community service and walk the line on probation.
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