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ioilover 12-17-2017 01:46 PM

Few questions about Craf and ISP program
 
Hi. I am getting sentenced in a few weeks. I took a plea, 5yr flat for intent to distribute marijuana (2nd degree). I have no prior record. In a few weeks, I have sentencing court and getting sent to craf. I also plan on applying for ISP.

Here are the questions. Any help would be appreciated :)

What is the procedure I go through at craf when I arrive?
Will I get drug tested? If I get positive for marijuana, will it affect me applying for ISP?

If there is anyone who applied for ISP, how was your experience?

georgelpz 12-21-2017 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioilover (Post 7686877)
Hi. I am getting sentenced in a few weeks. I took a plea, 5yr flat for intent to distribute marijuana (2nd degree). I have no prior record. In a few weeks, I have sentencing court and getting sent to craf. I also plan on applying for ISP.

Here are the questions. Any help would be appreciated :)

What is the procedure I go through at craf when I arrive?
Will I get drug tested? If I get positive for marijuana, will it affect me applying for ISP?

If there is anyone who applied for ISP, how was your experience?

Hey man,

I've been asked about CRAF many, many times by different people so instead of re-writing the entire thing, I'm copying and pasting a post from this past July about my experience there...I will also answer your other questions at the end as well.

I did my entire sentence housed at CRAF (I had a 5 with a 2 - they keep a very small work unit there to run the facility), so I'll try and help you as much as I can.

It's better if I don't sugar coat the conditions at CRAF for you - it's pretty terrible. It is a very old facility (built in 1901 and not really updated at all). Neither county jail or prison is really dangerous at all (unless you look for trouble), but I didn't find CRAF to be dangerous - just really really boring. CRAF for me was a total culture shock. It is unlike anywhere I had ever seen. Also a first time offender, I was completely blown away by what I saw when I got there. Just really old, really dirty and really primitive. While you are intake (which is usually no more than 2-3 days), you are in your cell with your bunkie for 24 hours a day. Nothing is permitted in these cells (with the exception of your net bag with the clothes and linens they give you when you first get there). You eat all of your meals in the cell. You are permitted to take a bible or other holy book with you from county, but that too may get taken, depending on the officer that is escorting you (although it's against the law). After being in intake, you will be transferred to another section of CRAF while you are waiting to be classified to a prison. While you are on that tier, you are locked down in your cell with your bunkie 23 hours a day and you are allowed out for 1 hour to shower, make phone calls or just relax. Every third day, you will have yard for an hour as well. You will also be called constantly to go to different parts of the facility for intake procedures (medical clinic, social workers, education dept, etc...) so that will allow you some other time out of his cell. If you are there long enough, he can order commissary but it's only for cosmetics and you with have a money limit that you can spend on them (I believe it was $25 but don't quote me on that). As a permanent inmate there, I was allowed to order the standard commissary but even that was ridiculously small. Wherever you go will be better than CRAF!

Since you are a first time offender, judging by your charge and the length of your sentence, odds are in your favor that you will get sent to Jones Farm which is a satellite farm of CRAF. It's only 2 miles down the road from CRAF. Don't take my word for it - I don't know what else you have on your jacket that may prevent you from being full minimum - but if just the intent charge, you're probably going to get sent there. As far as getting drug tested, you will go through a full battery of tests when you first get to CRAF so any drugs that you are on will pop up in your system, but no, this will not have any effect on your admissibility to ISP. I didn't apply for ISP because I had a mandatory minimum of 2 years and you cannot go on ISP until you complete your mandatory minimum, and I maxed out 14 months after the expiration of my stip so it would have been silly for me to go on it. You, on the other hand, may benefit from ISP. Considering you got a 5 flat, your first parole eligibility (based on no jail credits and max work/custody credits given) will be in roughly 17 months...with ISP, you must apply for it first through the ISP case worker at CRAF (or whatever facility they send you to) - my advice is to drop for ISP ASAP. This way, they can get you in the system and get the ball rolling. One thing you will learn is that EVERYTHING takes 10x as long as it should in the DOC. Be patient. With your crime, you will be eligible for ISP. They will meet with you to discuss the program. If they think you would be good for it, they will refer you to a 2 person panel, where they will discuss ISP even further with you there. If they think you'll be good, they will tell you right then and there that they are going to be referring you to a judge, who will them make a decision whether to grant you ISP or not. For you, you will probably have to do a MINIMUM of 5 months in prison before they will consider you for the ISP program. The general rule of thumb is they want you to do a month for every year that you were sentenced before they will consider letting you out. I've never seen it go less with other people before but it could go longer. ISP is never guaranteed, even if you make it all the way to the re-sentencing judge. ISP is also no walk in the park! I was on parole for 14 months after I was locked up and that was a piece of cake. ISP is completely different. You will have extremely strict curfews and rules that will have to follow to the T or they will violate you! Please be prepared to follow EACH AND EVERY condition they give you and do not deviate or they WILL throw your ass back in prison! The minimum amount of time you can do on ISP is 16 months, and they could give you longer than that. Anyway, that's pretty much how ISP works. ALSO - a piece of advice for prison...whatever you do, keep your head down, your ears open and your mouth shut. It's always best to take in as much as possible before saying or doing anything. I had no problems in prison because I kept to myself and didn't try to make "friends". Prison is easy as long as you want it to be!

I know it's a hard time for you right now but it will get better!! You have to trust me with this.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.

georgelpz 12-21-2017 01:10 AM

Also - when is your actual sentencing date?

Teesgirl95 12-22-2017 09:40 PM

Hi, I don’t have much advice to give about CRAF figuring my boyfriend got sent out in like 4 days but we are currently going through the isp process so I do have a lot of information on that. Okay so get to craf and get the application for isp and send it out as soon as you get there. (T didn’t apply until a few weeks after he got down state..) submit the application and have your people on the outside call down and check up on it. You don’t want your application to get lost somewhere under papers on a desk. We’ve called once a week since T put his application in. Just ask if there’s any news on it. They are normally always very friendly and helpful with giving information.
After they get your application and look it over you’ll have someone coming to interview you. They just ask you a bunch of questions get a feel for your situation and who you are and if the program is an option for you. If all goes well, someone will come to your house or whichever residence you will stay at, and check out the house and meet with the people you will be living with. They don’t like dogs. For us it was the same person that came to interview him. The guy who gave T his first interview came to the house in less than a week from the time he saw him. Then it’s a waiting game from there to see the screening board. Have your people call once in a while to check in with them but don’t expect a date. It was about a month and a half until the screening board came to see him. Mind you it’s around the holidays so it could be faster for you. Screening board came and he thinks everything went okay it’s so hard to tell at this part I’ve heard they assess the inmates sincerity and motivation for the program. It’s a hard program from what I’ve read, and only you know yourself and if you can conplete it. We are now waiting for his letter telling us his court date. Well if he’s accepted he’ll get the court date but if not they send a letter telling you that you were denied. I’ve called probably once a week and they said that he will probably receive his court date a couple of weeks before. He is probably going to court beginning of February. If you have any questions feel free to ask. The toughest part is the not knowing and waiting for answers and dates. My boyfriend always says if I just had a date to count down to I would be so happy. Unfortunately it doesn’t seem like you really get a date on anything, just an approximation. I feel like our process took a little longer because it’s sround the holidays. With thanksgiving and Christmas I feel like things are slower. I’ll let you know when I find more out.

ioilover 01-08-2018 02:05 PM

Drug Court
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by georgelpz (Post 7687738)
Hey man,

I've been asked about CRAF many, many times by different people so instead of re-writing the entire thing, I'm copying and pasting a post from this past July about my experience there...I will also answer your other questions at the end as well.

I did my entire sentence housed at CRAF (I had a 5 with a 2 - they keep a very small work unit there to run the facility), so I'll try and help you as much as I can.

It's better if I don't sugar coat the conditions at CRAF for you - it's pretty terrible. It is a very old facility (built in 1901 and not really updated at all). Neither county jail or prison is really dangerous at all (unless you look for trouble), but I didn't find CRAF to be dangerous - just really really boring. CRAF for me was a total culture shock. It is unlike anywhere I had ever seen. Also a first time offender, I was completely blown away by what I saw when I got there. Just really old, really dirty and really primitive. While you are intake (which is usually no more than 2-3 days), you are in your cell with your bunkie for 24 hours a day. Nothing is permitted in these cells (with the exception of your net bag with the clothes and linens they give you when you first get there). You eat all of your meals in the cell. You are permitted to take a bible or other holy book with you from county, but that too may get taken, depending on the officer that is escorting you (although it's against the law). After being in intake, you will be transferred to another section of CRAF while you are waiting to be classified to a prison. While you are on that tier, you are locked down in your cell with your bunkie 23 hours a day and you are allowed out for 1 hour to shower, make phone calls or just relax. Every third day, you will have yard for an hour as well. You will also be called constantly to go to different parts of the facility for intake procedures (medical clinic, social workers, education dept, etc...) so that will allow you some other time out of his cell. If you are there long enough, he can order commissary but it's only for cosmetics and you with have a money limit that you can spend on them (I believe it was $25 but don't quote me on that). As a permanent inmate there, I was allowed to order the standard commissary but even that was ridiculously small. Wherever you go will be better than CRAF!

Since you are a first time offender, judging by your charge and the length of your sentence, odds are in your favor that you will get sent to Jones Farm which is a satellite farm of CRAF. It's only 2 miles down the road from CRAF. Don't take my word for it - I don't know what else you have on your jacket that may prevent you from being full minimum - but if just the intent charge, you're probably going to get sent there. As far as getting drug tested, you will go through a full battery of tests when you first get to CRAF so any drugs that you are on will pop up in your system, but no, this will not have any effect on your admissibility to ISP. I didn't apply for ISP because I had a mandatory minimum of 2 years and you cannot go on ISP until you complete your mandatory minimum, and I maxed out 14 months after the expiration of my stip so it would have been silly for me to go on it. You, on the other hand, may benefit from ISP. Considering you got a 5 flat, your first parole eligibility (based on no jail credits and max work/custody credits given) will be in roughly 17 months...with ISP, you must apply for it first through the ISP case worker at CRAF (or whatever facility they send you to) - my advice is to drop for ISP ASAP. This way, they can get you in the system and get the ball rolling. One thing you will learn is that EVERYTHING takes 10x as long as it should in the DOC. Be patient. With your crime, you will be eligible for ISP. They will meet with you to discuss the program. If they think you would be good for it, they will refer you to a 2 person panel, where they will discuss ISP even further with you there. If they think you'll be good, they will tell you right then and there that they are going to be referring you to a judge, who will them make a decision whether to grant you ISP or not. For you, you will probably have to do a MINIMUM of 5 months in prison before they will consider you for the ISP program. The general rule of thumb is they want you to do a month for every year that you were sentenced before they will consider letting you out. I've never seen it go less with other people before but it could go longer. ISP is never guaranteed, even if you make it all the way to the re-sentencing judge. ISP is also no walk in the park! I was on parole for 14 months after I was locked up and that was a piece of cake. ISP is completely different. You will have extremely strict curfews and rules that will have to follow to the T or they will violate you! Please be prepared to follow EACH AND EVERY condition they give you and do not deviate or they WILL throw your ass back in prison! The minimum amount of time you can do on ISP is 16 months, and they could give you longer than that. Anyway, that's pretty much how ISP works. ALSO - a piece of advice for prison...whatever you do, keep your head down, your ears open and your mouth shut. It's always best to take in as much as possible before saying or doing anything. I had no problems in prison because I kept to myself and didn't try to make "friends". Prison is easy as long as you want it to be!

I know it's a hard time for you right now but it will get better!! You have to trust me with this.

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask.



Hi, Thank you for such an extensive reply!

Would I be eligible for drug court? Do you think it is a better option for me instead of the ISP program? Can I apply for both drug court and isp at the same time?

Also, it might be a stretch but is there a possibility for me to get early release?
I spent a month before getting bailed out. What does my maximum date look like from my 5 year flat sentence?

Thank you again. Your response was such a big help!

ioilover 01-08-2018 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teesgirl95 (Post 7688047)
Hi, I donít have much advice to give about CRAF figuring my boyfriend got sent out in like 4 days but we are currently going through the isp process so I do have a lot of information on that. Okay so get to craf and get the application for isp and send it out as soon as you get there. (T didnít apply until a few weeks after he got down state..) submit the application and have your people on the outside call down and check up on it. You donít want your application to get lost somewhere under papers on a desk. Weíve called once a week since T put his application in. Just ask if thereís any news on it. They are normally always very friendly and helpful with giving information.
After they get your application and look it over youíll have someone coming to interview you. They just ask you a bunch of questions get a feel for your situation and who you are and if the program is an option for you. If all goes well, someone will come to your house or whichever residence you will stay at, and check out the house and meet with the people you will be living with. They donít like dogs. For us it was the same person that came to interview him. The guy who gave T his first interview came to the house in less than a week from the time he saw him. Then itís a waiting game from there to see the screening board. Have your people call once in a while to check in with them but donít expect a date. It was about a month and a half until the screening board came to see him. Mind you itís around the holidays so it could be faster for you. Screening board came and he thinks everything went okay itís so hard to tell at this part Iíve heard they assess the inmates sincerity and motivation for the program. Itís a hard program from what Iíve read, and only you know yourself and if you can conplete it. We are now waiting for his letter telling us his court date. Well if heís accepted heíll get the court date but if not they send a letter telling you that you were denied. Iíve called probably once a week and they said that he will probably receive his court date a couple of weeks before. He is probably going to court beginning of February. If you have any questions feel free to ask. The toughest part is the not knowing and waiting for answers and dates. My boyfriend always says if I just had a date to count down to I would be so happy. Unfortunately it doesnít seem like you really get a date on anything, just an approximation. I feel like our process took a little longer because itís sround the holidays. With thanksgiving and Christmas I feel like things are slower. Iíll let you know when I find more out.

Hi, thank you for all the great info. I will have more questions in the future and my wife can continue to ask them on this thread. Your help would be HUGE! Appreciate it :)

Thank you.

ioilover 01-08-2018 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioilover (Post 7691625)
Hi, Thank you for such an extensive reply!

Would I be eligible for drug court? Do you think it is a better option for me instead of the ISP program? Can I apply for both drug court and isp at the same time?

Also, it might be a stretch but is there a possibility for me to get early release?
I spent a month before getting bailed out. What does my maximum date look like from my 5 year flat sentence?

Thank you again. Your response was such a big help!


Also what about halfway house for my situation?

georgelpz 01-12-2018 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ioilover (Post 7691625)
Hi, Thank you for such an extensive reply!

Would I be eligible for drug court? Do you think it is a better option for me instead of the ISP program? Can I apply for both drug court and isp at the same time?

Also, it might be a stretch but is there a possibility for me to get early release?
I spent a month before getting bailed out. What does my maximum date look like from my 5 year flat sentence?

Thank you again. Your response was such a big help!

No problem, I'm happy to help. It's a rough situation, I know.

As far as drug court goes, I don't know about that. My situation didn't involve drugs so I'm not really knowledgeable about drug court. It may be something for you to research before you get sentenced. I DO believe, however, that you must apply for drug court before you go to prison. I think you need to apply for drug court through the county you got pinched in and the courts have to accept you into it. I've heard it's not easy though, (to complete) so make sure you follow the rules to a T if you get in.

Early release? No such thing in NJ. The soonest you will be able to be released from prison on a 5 flat is roughly 17-18 months. That will be your first parole date. Each prison is different with how they grant parole, so make sure you are on your best behavior at all times, participate in every program available to you at the prison you are assigned, go to religious services and make sure you get no charges when you are in prison (known as white sheets and blue sheets - they are disciplinary charges that you can written against you while you are locked up and are staggeringly easy to get if you have the wrong CO. I kept my head down my entire time there and managed to get 2 white sheets and 2 blue sheets. I had to go to something referred to as "Courtline" while I was locked up to fight the blue sheets and eventually got them dismissed. If the Parole board sees charges in your file, you are almost certain not to get out at your parole date, so avoid them!).

Your max date depends on a few variables, such as how much time served you already have, your commutation credits (also known as "good time"), your custody status (you will be either full minimum, gang minimum (which has nothing to do with gangs), medium or max, and work credits. Since you have no criminal history and a drug crime, I can almost assure you that will be given full minimum status right off the rip which allows for the maximum amount of good time given. As far as work credits go, you will be given a chance to work a 5 day a week job or a 7 day a week job when you get to your home prison. If you want to get out at the earliest possible time and have the lowest max date possible, I HIGHLY recommend taking a 7 day a week job. If you are at full minimum (like I was) and worked a 7 day a week job (like I did my entire time), your max date will be computed as:

TOTAL SENTENCE:

60 MONTHS
-444 days good time (standard on a 5 year sentence, roughly 15 months)
-7 months custody credit/work credit
-1 month time served already
=
37 MONTHS MAX

I served 2 days altogether so my max was 38 months.

Anyway, if you have anything else, please let me know. I'm happy to help.

Teesgirl95 01-16-2018 02:32 PM

No problem ! I know how stressful this all is. I don’t know when you will be getting sentenced but let your wife know that she can pm me anytime. My boyfriend should be getting his letter sometime this week so we are praying that he gets accepted. From reading your first post, I really don’t think you will have a problem getting accepted. You don’t have a prior and it’s a drug charge you’re literally the ideal candidate. If you have read up more on isp which I’m sure you have, make sure you get your application in as soon as you get to craf. The faster the better. Good luck to you I hope everything goes well and pm me for any more questions


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