Our start of 2005 isn't good either...guess my son has a ways to go. He was moved today to Draper because of drug contraband. God I thought we was getting there but seems he has some real issues with his addiction that he has to come to terms with. Does anyone know whether or not they have drug programs here? :cry:

lace...I am so sorry. I hate that had to happen. I don't know anything about Draper...but they probably have something. Hang in there...from one mama to another.

Kay

(((HUGS)))

I'm so sorry to hear this. As one who has been an addict for more years than not, the battle with addiction is never over. You just learn to live with it and maybe stay clean.

I asked my husband about SAP programs for another member a few weeks ago. He said that all camps had them in one form or another, so there should be something at Draper.

Best wishes to you and your son.

lace my prayers of strength are with you as you see him through these days....
much love

I am sorry this is happening to you. As a parent I can imagine how difficult it is to see this happening to you son. I hope that eventually the picture will improve ...but it is clearly hard and heartbreaking.

Thanks guys...my heart is broken and he is a basket case right now. He knows what he has done but somehow he can't get a grip on this addiction. I think we and I say we because they wanted to put him on anti-depressants and I told him no don't the parole board will probably frown on it. He really needed to be put on meds to keep him focused. I believe he would have been better off on them because now he just tries to medicate his self and we all know you can't do that in prison. I was real upset over the lack of concern at this camp to listen to him when he told them I'm not ready for this I'm a drug addict and I need help. The warden there has been extremely rude to me and not willing to tell me anything just scream and holler at me and seem to get a real kick out of it. But I will give credit where credit is due some of the CO's there have a heart and are very professional and was good to my son while in lock down. But hey we are going to get through this and be better and stronger in spite of it. If anyone has any info on draper please post it. I have read the posts here and would like to know more.
Thanks Ragland and Danielle do keep us in your prayers.
Kay one thing about us Moms we are in it for the long haul!

I am so sorry to hear about this. Drug addiction is a hard thing to cure...in fact...I don't think you can cure it. I have been fortunate to have never had a drug addiction but have friends that have and fight it every day. My fiance was addicted to heroin for years! So I know how it is to have a loved one in this battle. My prayers are with you!

Oh Lace I am so sorry to hear that your son has turned back to drugs. Maybe he can get some help soon. Just hang in there and we'll keep the prayers coming his and your way. I wish him and you both the best and the stregthn to get through this set back.
Love and hugs
Brandi

Lace, I'm so sorry about this. **{hug}}

Draper is where my guy spent the first several years of incarceration and it has all the usual substance abuse treatment programs most of the rest have. I'm sure they have SAP and probably an aftercare program, don't know about SAP Relapse but they may have that too.

It's not too bad a place either - it's kind of off-putting as far as looks go 'cos it's so old but it would probably fall at #2 of my guys' preferred places he's been.

Thank you guys for being there. I don't know what I would do if it wasn't my PTO family and all the support shown here.
Lysbeth thanks for the info, I was worried about this place but if it's #2 on your guys list then it can't be that bad.
I won't get to talk to him until the 28th because of his disciplinary.
So I guess I will get a letter before next week and will let you know what he has to say about this place.
The CO's have told him he can move back to minimum custody in 6 months to 1 year. So all hope is not gone here and I guess it's better he learn now than get out and get a parole violation.

I first went to Red Eagle Honor Farm back in 77, stayed 26 days, did a non-violent escape from work detail at the HIGHWAY PATROL station where I was assigned to work. They caught me in my hometown of Malone Fl., about 6 months later, took me to Montgomery jail and gave me 18 months run CONCURRENT with original 3 years. They then sent me to Draper and D.R. court and took ALL gain time! I tried to holler double jeaopardy. They said it was because I broke Institutional and State rule laws. I then ask my counselor what would it take for me to make parole, and did I have a chance, considering the escape d.r., and all. He said I would have a chance still, if, I got into "ANY" programs and completed as many as possiblre before I go to see PAROLE BOARD. I got my GED, COMPLETED 12 College credits and a few other little classes to do with drug/alcohol use. I met the parole board and was granted parole the first time. Parole woman named Sarah Cousin Sellers back then , told me that was the only way they granted it was because I had done things to better myself since the escape. Point is, dont give up because of a d.r. or something. Most things can over come, but it takes willpower and some effort, not just doing your work detail and then, laying around, playing cards and such as that.