Marc was charged with murder and plead down to Assault with a Deadly weapon with intent to kill.....major BS...but I suppose they consider him a violent offender....I am just curious to see how many of us are in love with such "violent creatures!!!" LOL...I love my VO!
~Katie

Mine is also considered a VO due to the extent of the Felonious Assult. No matter, he's a teddy bear with me!!!

Two of eight of my penpals are definitely considered "violent"...a third one is iffy. He had a gun present but never threatened to use it and nobody was injured. Go figure, he has the longest sentence.

My adopted son is considered to be a Violent Offender because he used a gun to rob a drug dealer at the age of fifteen. (I didn't meet him until he was 18!) Recently, the parole board didn't want to believe him that he didn't know/ remember, nine years later, what the caliber of the gun was. He was just a kid (albeit a rotten one!) trying to survive on his own on the streets of North Philly. Here, in PA, you are a Violent Offender if you use a squirt water gun to rob a convenience store. I know a kid (young man) who has been inside about five years now, for doing just that.

Wow....bethbupp...that is crazy...I dont like that term Violent Offender.....Most of these men are not violent at all....Thanks for your answers.....
~Katie

Most of these men are not violent at all ~Katie
Hi Katie,
I seem to keep seeing you all over different forums. I think you posted a response to my daughter in the Siblings forum. Anyway, I think that the law's definition of violent is very different from that of the real world. My son is so "violent" that his idea of a really fun day is taking his littlest sister (3 the last time he saw her) down the water slide at the pool. I just hope that he gets to, next summer. We're in week eight of waiting for a decision from the parole board . . .

Beth....LOL...I am EVERYWHERE!!!!!! I try to look at everything here and see if I can relate to the things in different forums!!! I too hope your son will be home soon...Is your daughter Eli's sis...or something like that????
~Katie

Is your daughter Eli's sis...or something like that???? ~Katie
LOL! Between biological sisters and adopted ones, Eli has 7 sisters, but yes, my 11-year-old is "Eli's Sis". Eli has 3 sisters on his bio father's side that he has only met once (the 9-year-old writes to him); two brothers and a sister on his bio mom's side (he hasn't lived with them since he was eight, and they were 7, 6, & 4, but the one boy was locked up with him for years); and I have a total of 5 kids -- Eli (24), an 21-year-old boy at Army boot camp, an 18-year-old girl, Eli's Sis, and a 4-year-old girl. You and Marc look about Eli's age?

I am 22 and Marc is 21.....
Wow...so many kids....so little time!!! :)
~katie

Wow...so many kids....so little time!!! :) ~katie
I only have 2 kids at home -- the two littlest. Eli is a 15-minute phone call every other day, and a 4 page letter every other day, when he was in the hole. I do keep a watchful long-distance (6 hrs away) eye on the sibs on his bio mom's side. The 23-year-old boy is a parole absconder & recently took a 9mm bullet through his chest. The bio mom is a paranoid schizophrenic drug-abusing non-English-speaking bag-lady. Gee, I wonder why the two boys wound up in prison.

My son's first felony is for domestic assault. When my son was 17, his gf's parents let him move in with their 18 yr old daughter in their house. :argh: Everybody in the house had drug addictions and nobody had a job (you figure it out). I tried desperately to get him out of this situation for 2 yrs.
One night the girl stayed out all night and came home stoned out of her mind. My son and the gf had a fight, she said throw me the phone, I will call the person I was with so they can tell you there was no other guy. He threw the cordless (ok, maybe too hard because they were both angry). The phone hit her in the eye and she got a black eye. The parents called the police. It was a mess. He was so upset with himself for hurting his gf that he climbed on top of the house with a knife, threatening to jump with the knife pointing at his chest. He was finally talked down after 2 hours. In court, the gf tried to get the charges dropped. She said she would have caught the phone if she had not been so stoned. The court asked her what she was high on and she told them her mother's pills. But, as I was told, when there is a domestic assault case, it becomes a state case so she couldn't drop it. His biggest regret now is pleading guilty. He was told if he pled guilty, he would get out of jail quicker. That is all he cared about at the time. :banghead:
Another interesting part of this story is that my son was the 2nd to go to prison for assault on this girl. And there was another one after him. It was a merry-go-round. As soon as one got out, she would go back to him until the next one got out. These men were idiots, including my son! :banghead: He was so blinded by love for her that he believed all her lies.
She once told my son she was pregnant by him. My son loved the idea, was in the delivery room and had a big surprise when it turned out the baby was mixed race when my son and the gf were the same race; oops! :hmm:
Still, my son took better care of the baby than the mother. He loved that baby. He drew the line with drug usage when a child came into the picture. That is why he was home and she was out running around all night before the fight. And that is why he was so mad that she was still using.
After prison, his PO let him move back in with her, despite my pleadings and giving him reasons for him not to let that happen. :no: But the PO regarded me as a crazed mother. Well, duh!
I threw it up in his face after my son got in trouble again; for selling out of that house. Imagine that, duh again! But of course the PO got us back. My son was finally on the straight path; good job, college, etc. when he was violated for being in a car with somebody who had pot under her seat that he didn't know about. In fact, it was the first time he had met the girl. She was from another city 3 hours from our house. Here I was, relieved that he was making new friends. Geesh!
The PO told my son and me that no matter what, he was sending him back for being within arm's reach. My son gave up caring about everything and helped the PO send him back. :angry:

WHEW! And that is the condensed version!

So, yes, I have a loved one that is considered a VO.

My husband was an accessory to a robbery. the guy he happened to be with was running from 3 life sentences. My husbsnd met him that night at one of his so called friends home who conveintly forgot to tell him that the guy was a wanted person. Wlll while at his so called friend house he was high he was smoking weed and drinking. They gave him a pill and my husband (dumbself) didnt even ask what it was. he was incoherent, but anyway he was in the store with the guy when he robbed it. And he was caught on tape standing there and then the guy handed him the gun at first he said no that not mine but then he started to argue with the man behind the counter. Well anyway they went back to this hotel room where he left my husband and went swerving around and the police found him and he went back to where my husband was and started a shoot out ... then he told my husband to tell his wife and kids that he shot himself. The police knew that it was him doing the shooting they rushed the guy to the hospital.They told my husband that he was being charged with 3 counts of accesory. and when the guy died they raised it to 3 counts of AGG robbery.So he is considered a violent offender. so we are doing an appeal for when we did the first one they told him that he shouldnt have received this much time. So hopefully we win that and he can come back home to me and our beautiful daughter.

My husband and best friend is considered a vo also and he is the sweetest most caring man I've ever known(believe me I've been with some real winners!) Everyone who meets my man likes him instantly.I've been with him for 9 years and we have 5 kids who miss him terribly :cry:
We have soooo many people that love and miss him but unfortuneatly he was suckered into a plea bargain and now our lives are never going to be the same.
It always seems to happen to the good people who don't deserve it and their families are left to suffer tremendously as well.
We know the truth of what wonderful people our loved ones are.
Unfortuneatly he was never allowed to tell his side of the story like so many others like him and had an extemely lazy public pretender...I mean defender!
So the courts say he's guilty of a violent offense but I know and so do many others that he is special and wonderful!
All of our lives are forever changed but they can never take our memories and our love away from our loved ones that are incarcerated

Thanks for your responses....I like to get the story behind the "Violent critters" that we love so much!!!!
I am going to bed!!!! LOL Its about time...I will check in tomorrow to this thread and keep reading...yall keep posting....Goodnight!
~Katie

Hey Sweetie,,yes Mike Is Considered A V/o ( Agg.battety Causing Great Bodily Harm) But Hes My Baby And I Love Him...hes A Cream Puff To Me

Marc was charged with murder and plead down to Assault with a Deadly weapon with intent to kill.....major BS...but I suppose they consider him a violent offender....I am just curious to see how many of us are in love with such "violent creatures!!!" LOL...I love my VO!
~Katie katie, do you believe that your man did the crime? If so do you ever wonder if you might hurt you when he gets out? Please don't take that the wrong way because I just want some insight to what other women in my situation deal with in there day to day thoughts, feelings, and fears! My man just took a plea deal on a murder charge and swears he didn't do it and I'm feeling a lot of mixed and confused feelings so I want some insight in how to deal with what is going on in my heart & mind!
thanks :confused: C.H.

Raises hand... :)

I have told my story so many hundreds of times on PTO and I am lazy, so I will just copy/paste a previous response in here from when I first arrived on PTO...

My guy was young (22) and screwed up on drugs and alcohol at the time, and got himself into a wrong-place wrong-time situation where he could see no way out than to kill to save himself. Poor judgment due to drugs & booze and a history of being harmed himself led to a rage that left a man who was much bigger than him, and whom had made it clear was going to hurt him or worse, dead after numerous blows to the head. Yep, that's pretty violent. I can't say that if I was in the condition he was in and had, especially, lived in his shoes and through his past that I might not have been capable of the same under such circumstances... other than the fact, of course, that I am a female and much smaller and would have no doubt been the one killed in such a situation rather than being the killer.

He killed, yes, no question about that. The only other thing I can really say is what I know, and have known all the years I've known him; in his heart, he is not a murderer, even though the State says that's what he is.

my-heart-hurts, to answer your question to Katie for myself - no, I have no fear of him at all. I knew him for years before prison, have known him almost 16 years now, I'd put my life and anyone else's I care about in his hands without hesitation. The violent act he committed was borne out of an instinct to save himself from harm or death - he would never harm me, or anyone else except under such extenuating circumstances as what got him there. It was a tragic, terrible situation.

Great conversation starter, Katie! Thanks for starting this thread! :yes:

All I have to say is why does society have to continually label? As if the conviction and the sentence and prison life were not enough of a burden to bear, now we have to give them such a horrible name ... violent offenders.

I'm sure there are genuine VO's ... people that really do harm maliciously, but I'll bet everything that most that HAVE to be labelled a VO by state definition, nowhere near truly deserve that label.

I met my fiance while he has been incarcerated and I trust him with my life more so than anyone else out here in the free world who have no conviction and walk this earth of their own free will. I'm more afraid of my neighbours than the chance of ever being afraid of him. No, he's not perfect, I wouldn't want him to be, but he doesn't deserve such a label either. Doesn't deserve to be "classified" like that at all {shakes head}

I'm just glad he has me, to wrap plenty of love around him to ward off the emotional sting from all these punitive arrows slung around ... *sigh*

yep im loving a "violent offender" too. the charge:armed robbery & assault with a deadly weapon. the story: his little brother got robbed and he went the guys house that did it to get his brothers stuff back...with his brother...i understand the armed part because they had a weapon& the assault because they roughed them up BUT still cant figure out how its robbery when its your stuff though?:confused:

My son was a look out with a guy that took $5 from someone at knifepoint. He wasn't even at the scene and he is a vo. As a result, he can't take college courses, and the guy he was with...he's at home with his family, it was my son's first offense. The system sucks!! :angry:

Marc was charged with murder and plead down to Assault with a Deadly weapon with intent to kill.....major BS...but I suppose they consider him a violent offender....I am just curious to see how many of us are in love with such "violent creatures!!!" LOL...I love my VO!
~Katie

Yes, my man is considered a violent offender. He was convicted of a murder that he did not do. Of course if you say that to anyone outside of PTO they don't beleive it because they don't know him. I met him after he was in prison and I can tell that he couldn't murder anyone. I have people ask me all the time if I am afraid of him. How could I possibly be afraid of someone who shows me the love that he does. And if I were afraid of him why would I be with him? Someday all of these people will see just how much he cares for me and they will see what a good man he is.

matt is a violent offender, and i love him to absolute pieces. he is not "violent" in my opnion. so yes...i love someone "violent" lol makes no difference to me :)

Pooh's in on attempted murder, fighting a case, he's claiming self defense however the police report and eye witness accounts are against that. I know him to not be that person on paper. He suffers schizophrenia and drug addicting. No, he wasnt' taking his meds, and yes, he was high.

If I felt he was capable of hurting me, I would not be with him. He's never raise his voice or hand to me.

My baby is considered to be a violent offender but I don't think he is violent. I can't go into what he did because he doesn't want me telling everyone but what he did was to me self-defense. Anyone in his situation would have done the same thing he did. He was protecting his life.

Brant is considered violent just because he had a gun with him. The stupidest thing he's ever done. *sigh* He's sweet as pie with me. I can't even imagine him ever being considered violent. I guess drugs make people crazy, though, huh?

Well, be sure to add me to "A women in love with a VO", HOWEVER...

I LOVE ME SOME HIM!

my guy is in for a violent crime. seems strange to me - as soon as i heard he got arrested - i was like WHAT? ARE YOU KIDDING - he was always the kind of guy who i would have figured would be "Least likely to ever end up in prison". i don't think he's a voilent PERSON at all (like i would never in a zillion years be afraid of him) but he is considered a violent offender

My husband is considered a vo- armed robbery- it was over a drug beef. The whole thing happened during one of our infamous splits- he used to just flip out when we were apart and he would do anything and everything. At any rate, no I'm not scared of him, but I have seen the scary side of him directed at other people. He has a bad temper and he's a big guy- 6'4" 230 pds. So he looks scary too. I have to say right now I'm glad he looks like that because he is in what they call the "Gladiator Dorm" and he doesn't have any problems. You can imagine what a nightmare that place is, and he's there until March. He and I have gotten into some pretty nasty arguments, but he's never raised a hand to me.

He's signed up for anger management again- he's the one they tossed out the first time because he got mad!?! :( I hope he gets it under control before he comes home.

Kevin is considered a "violent offender" (yeah right...the man wouldn't intentially harm a flea). He was convicted of 3rd degree Robbery. It was all over a "drug deal"...a drug deal gone bad if you will. Dude took off with the money and the drugs...Kevin chased him to get the money (if he didn't...he would have probably been dead when he showed up with no money...or no "product") and he had a pistol...and hit the dude in the head with it a bunch of times. Therefore...he's "violent". I LOVE MY VO, TOO!!!! :D
*doesn't see where the "robbery" came in*
Selena

katie, do you believe that your man did the crime? If so do you ever wonder if you might hurt you when he gets out? Please don't take that the wrong way because I just want some insight to what other women in my situation deal with in there day to day thoughts, feelings, and fears! My man just took a plea deal on a murder charge and swears he didn't do it and I'm feeling a lot of mixed and confused feelings so I want some insight in how to deal with what is going on in my heart & mind!
thanks :confused: C.H.

I know for FACT that Marc did NOT kill anyone....he was at a party with some other guys...someone came out with a gun and Marc punched the guy in the face and started to leave...The guy got beat to death by some others and since Marc was the first one to throw a blow he was charged...there is no self defense law in NC...and Marc was "guilty by association" even though he tried to break it up....I know for a fact he has NEVER intentionally hurt anyone and I am in no way shape or form afraid that he might hurt me.....He doesnt have a hurtful bone in his body.....Just at the wrong place at the wrong time WITH THE WRONG CROWD...as 16 year olds tend to do sometimes....now he is 21, and serving 3 1/2 more years in prison for being a teenager at a party....:(
To answer your question...I will never be afraid of him....he is the most wonderful caring loving person I know....and *no offense taken*
~Katie

Katie,
I feel bad this happened. Despite what others may say, I do believe that some people do get in trouble because they are in the wrong place at the wrong time. How awful for you both. I hope the next 3 1/2 yrs fly by for you. You two make such a sweet couple. I really like that pic!

Thanks Jan7El....I think it happens more than a lot of people really know....being at the wrong place..at the wrong time....just proves that you should choose your friends wisely......I just hate that he will be labeled "violent" forever.....but I know the truth, he knows the truth, and most important God knows the truth....
~Katie

and most important God knows the truth....
~Katie

Well put! (and you are welcome)

My fiance would definetly be called a violent offender, and he is considered public enemy number one over in the county where he was arrested and later railroaded in their good ole boys courthouse. He was on the top ten most wanted fugitives in our state too, if you met him you all would love him to pieces and think he was the sweetest guy in the world. His co-defendant confessed to the shooting of the man in the incident they were involved in but later cut a deal and said my fiance was the triggerman, the fact he had no evidence of gun powder on his hands was said to be inadmissable by his judge too. don't let me get started on the injustice of his trial, but yeah he is considered violent, they tried to give him the death penalty too. He got life

Yep, too violent. I asked him once if people thought of him as "a scary guy". He laughed - said nobody can even believe he is in there. He was 16, and had what he calls a temper problem. I'm sure drugs and beer didn't help that.

Under the armor he keeps his heart hidden under is a very very sweet, soft-spoken man. I get glimpses, he can't take that armor all the way off, not in there. I think that's why he goes through tough times and his letters get impersonal (or currently-nonexistent), then suddenly they will be all sentimental again :) As for the crime: as many of you have said, wrong place, wrong time, wrong CROWD...

I too have a "VO". Yes, he does have a bad temper, but he has NEVER gotten out of hand around our girls and I! When you are pushed until you're gonna burst, it's going to happen every time.

my boyfriend is considered a violent offender as well. I wont lie at one point he was very violent, but he is not now. It isnt like hes in remission or anything hes just a different person when he is doing drugs. I know he would never hurt me or anyone that meant anything to us or is innocent, but part of my attraction to him is the fact that when a violent situation is at hand that we will be the ones who are safe in the end. he would never create this situation for us, but he could defend me if necessary. Its just a matter of life experience really....

My man is one of them... Convicted of murder... Things happen that you can't take back, but he's always going to be the love of my life!!!

My son is considered a VO too. Assault with a deadly weapon (a bat), producing great bodily injury ( a few bruises and 2 small cuts). The bruises were from my son and the cuts were from his friend. My son was defending is little brother from a deranged man with an ax, who attacked my youngest son. The police refused to take a report against the man and he is free. My son is serving a 5 year sentence. Two years for the assault w/deadly weapon and 3 yrs for the great bodily injury. We are appealing it at this time. This was my sons first offense and he was suppose to be leaving for the Army the day after this incident happened. My sons friend was with him and participated as well, he was sentenced to 1 yr county and served 7 1/2 months. My son would do anything to protect me and his brothers and in fact felt that it was his duty since I am a single mom. ( I am so sorry that he felt that way) I wish that he would have called the police but at 19 years old I can't say that I don't understand why he did what he did. He did not go over there to hit the man, he had the bat for protection from the ax. The man was not seriously injured. He had no internal injuries, no broken bones, no life threatening or disabling injuries. In the medical report it showed that the man was under the influence of drugs and alcohol. I love my son with all my heart and pray for his release. Take Care and God Bless!
-Lisa

LisaL,
I pray that your son's appeal brings justice. It is a shame that he would be charged with assault when the man had an ax. I just don't get it but there are a lot of things in the system that don't make sense.

ooohhh me too katie, i love a "vo" even though he isn't "violent" dumb maybe but not violent...lol. matts was similar, agg assualt with a deadly weapon. sigh....what am i going to do with that boy :o

My man is a violent offender :) Not that I'm happy about that, but I love him regardless...

Jan7EL,
Thanks for the support and prayers! I don't know how I would have survived without this site. Again thank you. Take Care and God Bless!

-Lisa

Mine got a DUI w/ a GBI (great bodily injury) upgrade which made him a violent offender which I don't understand! With GBI you can show intent by saying "you drink, you drive, you intend to hurt someone!"

My baby is a Vo, another incident of the wrong place, with the wrong people at the wrong time. He is in for first degree burglary, yet he didn't force entry, didn't have a weapon, didn't take anything! All he did was go and see what was taking his friend so long. He got 12 years on his first offense. But I know he would never hurt a fly. He is sweet as candy!

my man was convicted of murder / attempted murder intent to kill or injure.... i wasnt in his life at the time .

Yes, Larry has had many episodes of battery and always when he's drunk. He's been given 2 1/2 years and comes home November 9th "THIS YEAR" (SO glad to finally be able to say that!) When he's sober (which he's vowed to stay when he comes home) he's as calm as reasonable as anyone.
Larry is at Lawtey CI in Florida.
I can't wait to have him back in my arms!
Write me back if you want..

Carol Ann

HO5 is considered a "habitual offender" within the DOC system.... yes, I'm deeply in love with a labeled man... a violent offender who now has his "papers" in the Supreme Court for illegal sentencing.... 19 years later... there IS an end to this madness!!

My baby is is on a murder 2 charge, for driving drunk and having a wreck in which a woman died. The woman was in the back of a police car going to jail when he hit the police car. She hit the divider screen and she died from the head injuries. Any other drunk driving death that I've ever heard of has been manslaughter, but because his case involved a police car, he got the harshest penalty-murder 2. No, I am not trying to excuse what he did, neither is he, but he did not deliberately decide to take someones life, he made a very bad mistake and chose to drive home intoxicated. What I would like everyone to remember is how many times have we all made mistakes and drove after having a little too much to drink. Fortunately it doesnt always end up with a death, but it could.

Jason is considered a violent offender although i disagree. He is in for armed robbery. Him n his jackass so called friend got an idea one nite n well lets just say that cost him 39yrs of this life.:( This was his first offense n no one was harmed. I agree that yeah he should be punished for his crime but 39yrs??? no one was hurt n the mastermind of the plan only got 10 for diming my hunny out.:angry: I love my man but he is not known for his brains. b4 this, he never had a violent bone in his body n still to this day, 6 yrs being incarcerated he still doesnt. I pray he can get back into court this year and have his time reduced!

My husband is a VO because he got charged with Assault with Great Bodily Injury for defending himself in a bar fight. We are appealing this sentence but I am not sure anything will come of it. They gave him 6 years at 85%.

My baby is a sweetie and would never hurt a fly. He pretends he is some tough guy in prison and snarls at people but I just look at him and say knock it off you dork and of course he does.

So unfortunately I am married to a violent offender

I guess you can say that my husband is a violent , he was covicted of murder

My man is a VO armed robbery, but I love him regardless!!

My husband is a tru thug. He's reformed. I am so proud of him. He is the kindest, most loving man, he treats me 1,000% better than any other guys I've been with. I can count the number of times he has rasied his voice to me, he has never called me a mean name and has never frightened me. I think one reason I fell so much in love with him was because how society saw him compared to the person he really is.
But, he has a reputation. No one messes with him. Ever. Unless they want trouble.

John is considered a VO because when they got raided they also found guns so they consider him a VO dumb I swear but that's how thing's go I guess he has a bad temper but not anything to harm anothers life

Wow...I have really enjoyed reading everyone's responses...
Even though our men are considered Violent Offenders, we know in our hearts that they are good hearted human beings.....
Just wanted to say that I love my Violent Offender!
Hope you all are having a great night
~Katie

My husband is considered as violent offender. Hanging with people he considered his "friends". Attempted murder charge...but in my eyes it was self defense because he was shit at. Either way no one was hurt. Sentence 9-18 yrs...time served so far, 11 yrs. Goes to the parole board in July.

My grandson is considered a VO. At 17 he was with an adult that robbed a store and the adult had a gun. my grandson was outside (lokout) he was high on the adults meds and they went to two different places. He got 20 yrs. The adult got 21. My grandson never had the gun, and never in the buildings. yes he needed time but this is damn rediculous.
so he is labeled a VO

My husband at the "tender" age of 42, was in a car accident and the other guy died. They were never able to prove it was Tony's fault, but since he had beer in his system (.08 - "legal" limit is .10) and prescription valium from the night before, he was considered reckless. This is a man who for 42 years, followed the letter of the law, NEVER being in trouble before, not so much as a speeding ticket, married 21 years, three kids, total provider for us, is now considered a violent offender and was sentenced to 7 years 85% in a medium security prison two hours away. Oh yeah, soiety is sooooo much safer now!
Suzanne

My Husband was charged with agg. robbery at the age of 18(5yrs ago),, :(

My love is i guess you could a violent offender but i dont see him that way at all never have and never will

My son's father is labled as a V.O. and he wasnt even there...It was a conspiracy charge...but they placed him at the scene. With the weapon he didnt hold and made him a V.O. Isnt that some SH*@ !!!

my baby is a VO. before he met me, he served 9yrs for Armed Robbery, he was 18 at the time. he is the most sweetest person i know and hasnt been violent towards me at all! i never saw him as that kind of person, and i would never be afraid of him.

Yes my hunny is where he is because of a violent offense. He liked to fight...i swear since he was in third grade, and NOT ONE PERSON ever said "maybe this kid has some issues that he needs help with". I guess when your poor and amongst a dozen other kids, your labeled as a trouble maker instead of a troubled kid. Anyways...this is his first time ever in prison, but he got such a huge sentence, I know he won't go back. My hunny is made for the streets! So five years gone and two to go...we're almost there!

Mine is in now for a dv assault (bit my hand). When he was moved to yakima they placed him on the 4th floor with other violent offenders, he says it is their version of max security. He is there because "over 20 years ago" he was convicted on a murder 2 when he was 17. He did his time, now let it go. Since he bit me they consider his mouth a weapon & him a vo. :(

My guy was young and stupid he was 16 when convicted from lack any parents in his life not having an structure in his life he was able to do whatever he wanted and started to hang with the wrong people and is now and forever will be known as a v/o but he is the sweetest, caring, lovnig, passionate MAN I have ever known.

I got one of those. battery to a police officer and attempt to disarm a peace officer is what we fighting now. in this case, HE IS innocent. there is no evidence to corroborate the BS police report. it's all good tho. everything happens for a reason.

When Adam was 19 yrs old he got into a fight with a guy. He was charged with "assault w/ deadly weapon (his foot), producing great bodily injury".
Yes, now he is considered a Violent Offender.
Once upon a time he was a boy who got into lots of fights, but by the time I'd met him, two years after this happened, he'd grown up and learned his lessons and had become the sweetest guy ever... so much so in fact, that I fell in love with him and married him. My friends and I just could not believe he had this on-going case for a violent offense...it just seemed so "not him" :eek:
And yet, here we are :confused:

I guess it just goes to show that people grow up and people do change :thumbsup:

Too bad he's gotta face 7-9 yrs in prison now that he's already reformed himself :cool:

p.s. Heck no I'm not afraid of my baby ~ he's a big baby faced angel to me:p

Hi, my son is a violent offeder the victim got stabbed 17 times. He was two other guys they all went down 7yrs (85%) this was my sons first time in juvenile hall. He was 17 and was traid as an adult he just got transfered to Corcoran. He told me when he was in juvenile hall "mom they look at me and treat me like I'm a murder" it broke my heart because he isn't a VO he's my baby :( . . .

My baby is also a VO. (Armed bank robbery), but with me he's as sweet as sweet can be.

My man was convicted of two counts ACA, but prison has made him more of a V.O than he used to be. He can't stay out of the hole! :(

I am new to this and have only been on a couple of times. What I would like to know is how many women out there have a loved one on death row. I have several pen pals on death row, and have done for many years and found such a fulfilling experience. But one became so special to me, and between phone calls and letters, we fell in love. He is the warmest person I have ever come across and yet they insist he is a violent offender, obviously convicted of cold blooded murder. None of the evidence pointed to his guilt, and the jury had a real hard time in convicting him, and yet still he sits there and creates a smile. Some people have told me I must be insane, how can you love a man you may never be able to touch? But to me, love is a state of mind, not an action, and I will support and love this man until the day he is murdered by the state, which could be many years to come. But still I will get on that plane, and make my regular visits. Does anybody else have this to deal with, as I sometimes would just like to share how I am feeling, and it is truly difficult to find people who understand?

My man is considered a violent offender...although he was in the wrong place at the wrong time with people he thought were his friends..he was charged with manslaughter and got 20 yrs...hes got 9yrs left...I don't consider him violent at all...he is a sweet and caring person...

I try not to think about what he did. I still can't believe he did it, but I only knew him after he was behind the wall. He's never shown a bit of anger, but letters don't normally facilitate that. I don't know, has it ever worried anyone when their person is close to getting out?

My, Bobby, is considered a "Violent Offender" because of the extent of his felonious assault charge....I wouldnt consider him violent!!! Sweet as can be...But he got in a fight and the guy did get his but kicked...

My man is considered a VO, but I don't look at him that way. Yes, he had PART in what they said he did, but everything was put on him and the other 2 dudes got a deal and now they are walkin the streets. He wasn't tryin to be no snitch and it got him 30 years.

Please remember that the Feds count me as a violent offender based ONLY on the quanity of drugs I had; I was unarmed and had never been armed. It was my first, last, and only arrest, but I was violent to them none the less.

My hb is considered violent, assault and battery on a sherriff's deputy he did 2 yrs for a while back. But I have never posted in there cuz that is not what he's in for now. It did however get him sent to USP Leavenworth. :(

My hunny is considered a VO, he got 25 for a broken nose. He is the sweetest guy I've ever met in my life

My husband is a vo charge 2nd degree murder he was only 14 though we were teenage sweet hearts he has been locked for 15 years we have been togther all this time and married for three years come july 28th. He is such a softie with me though he would never harm me in any form or fashon.

My daughter's father is considered a violent offender. He's in for aggravated robbery. I won't dispute that what he did was violent and wrong, but they were isolated incidents resulting from too many drugs and bad influences. What bothers me, though, is that when these "violent offenders" are released, the label sticks and it makes it really hard for them to move on with their life and put their mistake behind them. It saddens me to know that when state legislatures do start to consider prison reforms in response to prison overcrowding, sentence reductions for violent offenders are the last options they would consider. :(

I am new to this and have only been on a couple of times. What I would like to know is how many women out there have a loved one on death row. I have several pen pals on death row, and have done for many years and found such a fulfilling experience. But one became so special to me, and between phone calls and letters, we fell in love. He is the warmest person I have ever come across and yet they insist he is a violent offender, obviously convicted of cold blooded murder. None of the evidence pointed to his guilt, and the jury had a real hard time in convicting him, and yet still he sits there and creates a smile. Some people have told me I must be insane, how can you love a man you may never be able to touch? But to me, love is a state of mind, not an action, and I will support and love this man until the day he is murdered by the state, which could be many years to come. But still I will get on that plane, and make my regular visits. Does anybody else have this to deal with, as I sometimes would just like to share how I am feeling, and it is truly difficult to find people who understand?
I do know how you feel, you can pm me if you like

Almost a year to the day, June 23, 2004 my husband lost it and well did a pretty good number on me, this was before I even knew about what was going on with my daughters.

My husband joined the P.A.R.S program and only spent one night in a holding cell and was granted bail.

Now with the 18 charges against him and the fact that less then a year ago he assaulted me he is having a hard time getting bail. Actually I have found out that he has been charged backwards. Usually it's Sex Assault charges first then followed by domestic violence that most people commit due to very ill people.

Do I feel safe around him? Yes because of the anger management course that he took, he has learned to control his anger.



Cheers,



Lynne

My husband, is a V/O, this guy jumped on him first, pulled my husbands hair and would not let go, my husband hit him a few times, the guy was drunk and on oxicotin, we couldn't afford an attorny, so he got 2 years in prision, and was charged with agg. assult, causing great bodily injury My huband is not a violant person, as far as I know he was protecting himself, so now I sit her with 3 boys, 16,13, and 2 trying to raise them by myself, and keep a roof over their heads.

My man is considered a violent offender and also a lifer with possible parole. He will tell you that he is guilty and takes responsiblity for his actions but he got sentences that would be for a murderer. I didn't meet him until after he was incarcerated but it is hard for me to imagine him some other way than his loving, humble, sensitive self. Drug additiction and alcohol played a big part in his crimes (armed robbery). He probably won't be released in my life time but I will still enjoy his love and give him mine for as long he chooses. Loving him has made my life brighter and I know my love helps him tolerate the chaos he lives with every day.

my husband has a drug charge from 1996 that he did his time for...he ended up violating parole and is in one of the worst prisons in New York for it ??????????? parole violator.......

My boo, Nathan is considered a violent offender :( Bank Robberies. By the way do any of you know hoe this will effect employment options after his release date???

My boyfriend is in for aggravated murder. serving 20-life, in an ohio prison.

My hubby is a violent offender serving life for the first degree murder of two people in a drug deal that went bad after a break-in. He was 15 at the time. Hope that answers your question. Shiningdrum

My husband is considered a VO, but yet I've never met a more loving and tender man in my life. Today marks the 4th yr "anniversary" of the first time our eyes met...and he actually remembered!! We've been married 3 yrs!:heart: :love:

Charlie is considered a VO, even though he didn't actually do the crime he was there. I think it;s so messed up and his new attorney is helping out a ton! :D Anyway, Charlie and this guy Chuck were at a bar where Chuck started a fight with a guy over a pool game! :rolleyes: There was a witness that said in court that when the argument started Charlie went out to the car, there he passed out. He didn't wake up until hours later to find himself out on a country road where Chuck had murdered the guy from the bar. Chuck threatened Charlie then Chuck fled to New York, Charlie went to the police. But since he was there he was charged as well, the arguement of the state is he didn't try to stop him :shake:, How could he have stopped it when he was out cold! It was proven he was directed involved. Anyway, I get so heated over this! :angry: I love my VO too! Nothing I wouldn't do for him!

My husband is considered a violent offender. :rolleyes:

mine's a vo but he's such a sweet person..if you knew him you wouldn't think he 's a violent person..such a cuddly bear !!! i love him to death !

my man is a VO charged w/ 2nd degree murder.....yet is the most sweet, loving, gentle man...

My boyfriend committed a 1st degree burglary (of a residence, no one was home at the time) and for that he got an 8 year sentence and the label of "violent offender".

My husband did not commit the heinous murder he is accused of,to be a DR inmate. But, according to the courts he was violent enough to aggrivate his case to make it a capital crime. There were alot of felony assaults, but only a one actually got him any time. The others were dropped. He was not anyone I would have wanted to rip off in a deal 15 years ago, but my violent offender is my big Lakota Teddy, now.

mine oh i fell in love when i was 13 yrs old, he was older wouldn't touch me. but was alway nice to me. funyhow age catches up. now married. i love him to death

My Husband Is Considered A Violent Offender. But He Has The Biggest Heart In The World. His Smile Can Brighten Up The Entire Room. He Will Give You The Shoes Off His Feet If He Had To. And This Is What They Call A Violent Offender Who They Sentence To Over 35 Years.

*whew* this is gonna be long....

my df was 13 yrs old when he and 3 other boys (16, 17) were tried for attempted murder. DF was raised by his grandma (who lived next door to me) until she died when he was 11. DF went back to live with his crack addicted prostitute mother who would perform tricks in the back seat of the car while he was in the front. DF and his two friends were simply trying to steal a pizza. They were hungry and were going to take it from the delivery guy. The pizza guy fought back and the three boys battered him very very badly. They almost killed the pizza guy. All 3 boys were tried as adults and sentenced to 25 yrs. DF is now 28 and there is no way that he is the same little kid who beat up that pizza guy. DF has been raised by the prison system and has maintained good behavior since being moved into the adult prison system. In the juvenile detention centers he got into a lot of fights so that definitely set him back. I will never make excuses for what he did but do I think he is a VO? No, he was simply a kid who was trying to survive the only way he knew how.

First of all, I just want to thank all of you for sharing these tear-jerker stories.



I’m madly in love with a “VO”. My heathen, as I like to call him, was 15 when he committed his crimes. He came from a broken home and lacked parental support. A “friend” of the family had sexually abused him as a young child, which his parents chose to ignore. His parents had been divorced by the time he was 3, both of them have kidnapped him from one another taking him across the world into foreign countries (he was any army brat). He developed severe anger management issues into his teenage years. Living briefly in Colorado, he fell into the wrong crowd. He got into a fight with a man, beat him to a pulp, shot him in the head (thank God the guy lived). Well, the state of Colorado charged him with 10+ felonies including attempted murder, aggravated assault, and assault with a deadly weapon, etc. At this time there was a new DA was campaigning for “tough on juvenile crime”. My heathen was screwed. They even decided to tag a burglary charge on him (a crime he didn’t commit). He did get what he deserved, but has changed his life around and is a better man today for it.



He served 5+ years, was let out on his 21st birthday. He was also able to receive an education at Denver University. He even served as a corrections officer at the same prison where he served.



I met him 10 years later. He is one of the kindest, big-hearted people have ever met. He is wonderful with my family; my two year old niece absolutely adores and loves him. He is so gentle, loving, and affectionate with me to no end. He respects me and everyone he comes into contact with. He is well mannered, intelligent, personable, and educated. Not to mention he is absolutely handsome. I love him completely and hoping to be his Mrs one day.

My fiance is a VO. He was 17, just shy of 18(2 weeks). Wrong people, wrong time and sentenced to 28 years and 4 months. He has served 11.

This thread has been so heart breaking. I really admire everyone for speaking up. PTO is awesome. I learn more every day....mainly the injustices in the "system"

The law calls him a VO, I call him the love of my life. Never would I ever be afraid of him. He is so kind and caring and the best thing that could have ever happened to me. He was already in when I met him....and I am still not afraid of him. I look forward to the day we become husband and wife....in my heart I am his wife and he is my husband....And boy howdy do I love him!!!!

:eek: Violent?? My husband!?? Who would label him in such a way!! LMAO Just Kidding yeah they call him a VO..not only that but "habitual". Whatever. He's a wonderful guy... with a BIG heart and a good soul. All he ever wanted was to make it in the free world and start a family. Well i wonder what went wrong :confused: . Who knows. He got a manslaughter 2 charge for his second offense while doing 5 years paper.. but before that he had assault with a deadly weapon, UUMV, and robbery with a firearm. This older man was hitting on my husbands younger MALE friend at the time (This was 15 years ago) and my husband (being a smart-ass teenage boy) carried a gun everywhere :cool: (How cool huh) ::note the sarcasim::
So him and his other little buddy tried to kick the old man out of his car and just take off... but the old man put up a fight and tried to take Lee's gun and it went off and got him in the leg. The most recent one.. well i guess everyone says "It was an accident" but i know this one was... he has a beautiful daughter that he wouldn't have left for the world!!

:heart: Ronnie is the love of my life. He was involved in an armed robbery. He was there and he did attempt the crime , but he had been up for 21 days on meth and bothced the whole thing and he was arrested; he was the only one who was hurt
by the police department. Since he had been convicted on drug charges in another state he had afterformers which greatly enhanced his sentence. Yes, I believe him and yes he is a completely different man from the man I first met 10 years ago. Together we are an unbeatable team and and together we will finish his time and build a life together. I am not the least bit afraid that he will hurt me or anyone else, but I fear everyday that he might not be able to handle the pressure of being in the free world. We practice the philosophy of one day at a time and today is all we have. Good luck and happines to all of us. Ronnies Girl:)

Ronnies Girl:heart: Ronnie is the love of my life. He was involved in an armed robbery. He was there and he did attempt the crime , but he had been up for 21 days on meth and bothced the whole thing and he was arrested; he was the only one who was hurt
by the police department. Since he had been convicted on drug charges in another state he had afterformers which greatly enhanced his sentence. Yes, I believe him and yes he is a completely different man from the man I first met 10 years ago. Together we are an unbeatable team and and together we will finish his time and build a life together. I am not the least bit afraid that he will hurt me or anyone else, but I fear everyday that he might not be able to handle the pressure of being in the free world. We practice the philosophy of one day at a time and today is all we have. Good luck and happines to all of us. Ronnies Girl:)[/quote]

Marc was charged with murder and plead down to Assault with a Deadly weapon with intent to kill.....major BS...but I suppose they consider him a violent offender....I am just curious to see how many of us are in love with such "violent creatures!!!" LOL...I love my VO!
~Katie

Yeah they calling ma man a vialent future thrat for society but it´s all ****. He´s kinda big wild guy but he ain´t no vialent person, I know him since we was kidz.Alu i éi le ufa, he´s my to´alua and I know how he is. **** system the can olu e i le polo a lou tama..all of um:angry:

I got a call that my bf went to jail due to a bar fight. He got charged with a felony and is now in Prison. His prior was beating up his aunts bf, because he sexually molested his niece. Well this bar fight happened when he and i separated and he was dating another fem. She was drunk and he had to leave from work to pick her up. SHe started arguing and hitting him so he got her in a head lock. Her friends got wind of everything and told the police that he was beating on her. I found out that he got into a fist fight with two of her guy friends. I have been with him for 2 years and havent seen any form of violence with him. He's a teddy bear. Big Lug!!!!!!!:p

I am in love with a violent offender. He is my everything. He is charged with shooting w/intent. He made a choice it was either his life or there's. He was put in a bad position and had been out of trouble for years when this incident occurred..I know that he would never hurt me in anyway..He is gentle and loving..And he most definately regrets what he did..My question is this HOW HARD WILL IT BE FOR US WHEN HE IS FREE? PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY JUDGE AND THEY WILL ALWAYS USE IT AGAINST HIM ESPECIALLY SINCE HE HAS TO REGISTER AS A VIOLENT OFFENDER..SO WHAT ARE YOUR VIEWS ON THIS???

It has been my experience that Marc is judged a lot by his charges...people see violent crimes on his record and assume that he is a violent person. I believe that we may struggle with that our entire lives, but what I always remind myself is that I know the truth, and even though it will take some time, others will see past the charges and see the true person he is...if they can't get past the charges, they are not worthy of his friendship or company anyway....Just my thoughts on it!
~katie

My brother in law is serving 6 years for corporal punishment of a co-habitant - violent offense at 85% - 2 strikes

ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

My man is a VO so they say he's doing LWOP for first degree murder but they got him all twisted he's the nicest lovable sweetest man in the world. Watch one day he'll beat his appeal. One day

I am very much in love with my violent offender. Theres a pending case their trying to put off on him, the brutal death of a close friend. Not easy to deal with. I know he didnt do it. I met Rich when he was 17 & I was 28, he was my paper boy. We kissed for the first time in January, that was 8yrs ago we met. My 2 daughters chose him as their daddy. We will stand beside him no matter what. Society has gotten so twisted, they dont see that stero typing can ruin a person. I hope when hes released he'll see our love is true, and realize , whats hes been through can be forgiven and he has a family that adore him!

Did you get married in prison? How did you post hes remain time to your post like that?

Did you get married in prison? How did you post hes remain time to your post like that?


Hi...I am sending you a PM to answer your questions ;)
~Katie

My finace was 17 when he was tried and convicted as an adult for agg.murder. He is serving 20-life for a crime that he didn't commit. He has so far served 12yrs. I have known him for 18yrs, and he is a very warm, kind person. If he wouldn't have maintained his innocence and took the plea bargain I think he would be out now! He said that he didn't take the plea because he didn't do it! He trusted that the truth would set him free! He has his first parole hearing in 2007. I pray the parole board will do the right thing and release him!The people that really did the crime have offered to testify for him if it can ever get back to court...but I don't think that is very likely. They are inmates also. I pray for him every day. He's lost half of his life for something he didn't do. The night of the crime he was at his sister's house, but the detectives didn't belive that, they said that because she is family that she was just lying for him. He was convicted as an accomplice, not a principle offender. How does one show remorse at a parole hearing for something they didn't have any part of?? Where is the justice? There are so many innocent human beings locked-up and treated less than human..while there are many real criminals out on the streets.

All of your stories have put a better insight on my VO. We have know each other for the last 15years and up until the time we were 17 he was the sweetest kindest man I had ever met but, shortly there after he became very involved with gangs and heroine. He says he was just "young and dumb" but tell this day I will vouch and say that he was/is the dearest sweetest man I know. With the road he took it landed him in prison for 17 years for attempt of murder in the 2nd degree. It drives me crazy to know that our judicial system is punishing these "kids" with no remorse. Their lives will never be the same. I look forward to every visit, phone call and letter that I get from him. He is by far my "Prince Charming". Violent Offender is what he was labeled but what he is, is the love of my life.

I am with a vo , mine was convicted of murder when he was only 16, he's 28 now. he got 40 do 20. so it's been along road and still some to go. but he's my soulmate and i love him....:p

Phil is considered a V.O and a repeat offender...but he has a heart of gold and only does things that he believes are right even if others dont.

chris was first considered a violent offender because of resisting arrest and assaulting the police while they were trying to arrest him. he also got into a gang related fight and was charged with weapons possession (a bat i believe). he's considered a violent offender, i love him to death, however, if the charges were any more serious than fighting the police and getting into group fights (some were gang related, some were not)...i am not sure if i would have gotten into a relationship with him. he was also caught doing an insurance job on an abandoned gasoline station, conspiring to do an insurance job on an old apartment building (they tapped his family member...go figure), and he was caught in credit card fraud. for these charges, he's also considered a felon and arsonist. one of the the only things he hasn't been accused of is a sexual crime. one of his saving graces was that 10 of his arrests were before the age of 23, and about 8-10 of the charges on his jacket were caught inside of the prison (he's gang affiliated, and they had plenty of fights in jail), so i am able to accept him and love him unconditionally. this last arrest happened at age 32...and it's for the only crime he did not commit, eluding the police. this time the system caught him simply because they like the fact that he's a money maker for them. so by the age of 23, he was already labeled a felon/violent offender, arsonist, and gang member. on his jacket he is also marked as multi-lingual and a martial arts expert...so he's especially "watched". i know in my heart i'm able to love and be with him because none of his crimes were heinously violent, nor was anyone ever seriously wounded (hospitalized) or killed. and i'm proud of that fact. it could have been worse, and many times, he was fighting for his life. most of his offenses were done for money, he did insurance jobs, i believe the most expensive one topping 18,000.00, and he was involved in bankcard/check/credit card fraud. the rest were for fighting the police, being accused of fighting the police, or being caught in a fight, either in jail or on the streets. there are certain limits that i can't go beyond...and i'm thankful that he doesn't step over my boundaries, because he is one beautiful person, inside and out.

and go figure...he's gotten the most time (respectively) for the one crime he didn't commit. that's why we're fighting this either until we get time lowered to something more reasonable or we max out. ;)

WHAT???? You are with a man charged with murder, who worked it down to assault with a deadly weapon??!! That means he is saying he was carrying the weapon. Are you that comfortable with that?? You call it BS, but he did what he did, and you don't seem affected by the fact that he did not deny carrying the weapon in the scenario in which he was charged. You're ok with this?????

Hi I am new to this whole PTO and I wish I would have found it months ago. I met my fiancee when I was at work, he told his friend thats my future wife watch his friend just laughed! anyway, when I met him he was bald (No offense to anyone) and he looked about 15 yrs old I was 32, his friend (girl) came over to me and said my friend wants to meet you I went over and said Hi, we talked for a minute and I asked him how old he was he was 25. I politely said nice to meet you and walked away, long story short haha he came back about 3 months later and the rest is history, when I met him he was in the process of going to court for Domestic Violence (2nd offense) he didn't tell me until a while after we started dating, anyway, he told me the story him and his x gf lived together and she told him she was preg. and then started staying out all night while he was watching her son, one night she came home stoned and drunk and he had been drinking also and it started she told him she was going to get "rid" of the bb no matter what and any way she wanted to, so they started fighting and her son was there, he tried to run out of the house and my bf stopped him, she ran out and saw a police officer they came and got him and charged him with DV, kidnapping (because he kept the kid IN the house- he was 6) and child abuse and neglect becauise her son was in the house. she didn't get anything and they both hit, he got 3 yrs probation, he was almost DONE with it and decided it would be a good idea to go out drinking and driving DUMB!! they tried to pull him over and he got scared and took off, when it finally ended he jumped out of the car laid on the ground w/ hands up and they hand cuffed him and picked him up, they asked him why he ran he said he wante dto get home to see his NEW baby (9mths) one of the cops started laughing and said yea well now you arent gonna and I think I will go see your wife is she HOT?? so he was upset ok mad, he told the cop to shut up and 5 cops jumped on him and beat his A** then charged him w/ assault on a police officer. Amazing how this system works!!! anyway he got 1 to 4 for attempted failure to stop at the request of Police. he got DUI,reckless driving,assault on PO, because of his past Violence he got denied Parole in July, so now we wait to see in June what will happen, he has a long record and he takes responsibility for what he has done, but I don't understand how they can just charge you with whatever they want just to see what will stick and what they can negotiate with??? I think if you are a women that is going to beat up on a guy and then get upset and call the police when he does it back, its not fair we (women) always want to be treated equal but not when it doesn't benefit us. Just my thought, I am sure I will hear an ear full for that :) anyway, just wanted to vent and tell you I have never seen the Violent side of him, I think it also depends on the person they ("violent one") are with, if there isn't a reason for it, it won't happen, Love can be scary but with the right person its a blessing!!! Thanks for listening

let me clear up a couple things, he was with me when he got the probation, and the 9 month old is ours. Also my whole family is in law enforcement, so Christmas is really fun--- a house full of cops and my "bad guy" amazingly enough they love him and they support my decision to wait for him, but I cant talk to them about him because I get the "YOU MADE THAT CHOICE LECTURE"

I could definatley relate "theonlyoneforme "Family in law enforcement and all." Only they can't stand my man. My baby is guilty of attempted murder and he does not deny it. He also has had a terrible upbringing and I wish I could change the past for him. He is angry and I know he deserves to be in prison for the next decade or more, and maybe that won't change him. But he is my sons father and this angry man is capable of love as well as deserving of it. I know him on a level book writers and movie producers can only dream of knowing a violent offender. Not only the Bad but the Good,Sad,loving Man. The man that doesn't cry or show affection unless he's in my arms. By the way I work with inmates everyday and I treat each one with respect. Becouse each one is a child of God. No matter what the crime. You would be amazed some of the awful inhumane ways these men and women went through childhood. Some of their parents ought to being doing their time. While they get some kind of treatment.

My Old man is considered a violent offender with armed robberies hostage situations the works. Yet to our children and me he is the most sensative, caring, loving, gentle man I have come across. How could I not love him. The only scary aspect is that society may some day say he can never come come home.:cry: Now that would be a crime! I Don't know if I could survive that blow. I pray that day never comes.:shake:

Yep, mine is definately considered a VO, but i don't judge anyone by the same BS rules that our criminal system does-it's all about the person, or it should be anyways. Besides, i know being with him means i'll always be safe, i love my "thug"! lol!

I have a best friend who has been out only 10 months after a 8 year sentence; and my man who is still in serving the last 8 months of his 12 year term. Both of them are considered VO. The one on parole now is considered a extreme high risk parolee because he has 2 strikes on violent offenses. (CA) Both of them are teddy bears and neither has ever given me cause to concern! In fact if Im mad they're more wary of me than I am of them! *haha* Ive seen my friend lose his temper and even then I can put him in his place and then I might be labeled a VO too! Violent Offenses in most cases are individual events that certainly do not define the person. Everyone has the potential to be dubbed Violent! But I love both of my VO's just the same!!

My hubby was charged with and found guilty of 2 counts of aggravated murder. He could have been executed but the jury voted 7 to 5 for life without the possibility of parole. I nearly fainted when I heard that news that it was so close.
I've been thru it all with my man, I've had death threats against me for staying with my guy, ppl vandelizing my car, half of my reletives won't speak to me and some of them will even leave the room when I enter! then we have the "oh, don't leave your purse next to her crowd"...that's almost laughable because I'd rather cut off my own arm than steal from anyone!!!
Despite all of what I've gone thru i would do it all over again with my guy....yeah sure i'd rather none of this happened, I'd liked to have lived a normal life, but if a normal life means living it without my hubby, forget it!! As my siggy says, I'd rather live in his world than live without him in mine!

penwife

...Violent Offenses in most cases are individual events that certainly do not define the person. Everyone has the potential to be dubbed Violent! ...

That describes R.'s crime in a nutshell -- and from reading "you guys's" posts probably your's, too.

Hell, it wasn't like he went out and committed the crime because he was bored and nothin' good on TV. If THAT was the provocation, well, yes, he could be considered a "violent offender."

In answer to the thread, yes, he's considered a VO.

iM IN LOVE WITH A VIOLENT FELONY OFFENDER TOO!hE'S BEING CHARGED WITH 4 COUNTS OF ROBBERY IN DA FIRST!i JUST HAPPENED TO BE THE DRIVER OF THE CAR AND THEY CHARGED ME WITH THE SAME CHARGES AS HIM!iM NOW CONSIDERED A VIOLENT OFFENDER i ONLY DROVE!

My hubby steve is most certainly considered a VO....But what sucks is he is charged with attempted murder, but he did it out of self defense!!! I watched him be torn right out of my own arms, and now the father of my son has waited almost a year to just find out whether he will be charged or not! Life sucks without him, he can be a grouch but I remember sunday school when i was littel and it said nothing about GOD creating prisons. I was going to school for law, now i hate the law...how could you just tear someones life apart so quickly!!!

My Fiancee Is A Violent Offender And Is Serving 20 Years For The Murder Of Someone Who Repeatedly Robbed Him. Get This , My Boo Boo Is 5'7 And The Guy Was 6'4. Am I Condoning What He Did , No But I Think That When Your Faced With Certain Choices Where Your Back Is Against The Wall, Shouldn't That Be Taken Into Consideration? We Have A 2 Yr Old Who Will Only Know His Dad Through Visits And Letters. That's A Punishment In Itself.

Brat, welcome to PTO.
You'll find a ton of women here in your same position.

my hubby to be is considered a VO and he was in a situation of self defense, he was at the yound age of only 3 months past his 17th birthday, :( i miss him soo, much i feel, alone :(, for the next 7 1/2 at least at most 2020 :( :( :(

Sarah Moats
Robs_angel

Sarah! Wow he was so young......I hope that PTO can help you with some of the lonliness....we are here for you!

penwife

i'm loving my baby who is locked up for 2 cts armed robbery and was sentenced 30. sad, but i love him deeply

My friend is considered a Violent offender.. but i love him anyways.. no kidding there!

My fiance is considered a violent offender too. When the cops came to our house to arrest him they talked about how violent he was and asked me how I could let my child be around a such a violent man and BLAH BLAH BLAH. But he is the kindest man I have ever known. We've dated on and off since I was 16, so for 6 years now. And when he was released last year we got back together and have been together since. He got arrested again in may and sentenced to three years :(

My best friend's boyfriend is a violent offender. We both knew him before, so it's easier on us...we can remember the good times. He has served 1 year of a 9 year stretch so far.

Welcome to PTO, BNDMAMMA!

well my man is considered one as well sad but true he committed many burglaries and also got a kidnapping charge but no the kidnapping charge was because he got in to a fight with someone and put em in the trunk of his caddy and he did some other stuff but is list is alot to type but i see this as people make mistakes and he sure did but i will love him forever and ever no matter what :)

is considered a violent offender. He moved out of the house just before his 18th birthday to live on the streets in Portland, Oregon, against all of my objections. I knew that if I reported him as a runaway no one would go out and look for him, if they did run across him they would just return him home and he would run away again, anyway.
While he was on the street he joined a street family. The street "father" had just finished serving an 11 year sentence for three murders he committed at the age of fifteen. This man told the kids that he had been down for murder, but explained that he had murdered someone who raped his sister. This was not the truth, but the kids were completely duped that he was a good guy looking to help them get on their feet.
The culmination of the story is that he ordered the beating and death of another female family member. The girl was beaten by the girls in the gang, then my son and two others took her to another location where she was beaten again, stabbed, and then her body was doused in lighter fluid and lit on fire. My son was considered to be the most culpable person in the murder other than the family father.
I found out about the incident first when the police were looking for him on the local news. He was missing for three months...this has been the worst thing that I have ever had to live through in my life. I look at my son and I see my son, not a monster. I see this intelligent, talented, funny kid and I can't reconcile the two. I think the toughest part was the sentencing, the family of the victim was obviously very angry and said a ton of hurtful things. I was glad that my son pled guilty, and he broke down crying, apologizing to the family. I think its doubly difficult because I was a a law enforcement officer. I spent my whole life trying to help people, and then my own son makes such a tragic choice. Now I spend every day trying to figure out what I did wrong, what I could have done different, feeling responsible, being scared for my son, it has devastated my life. I really don't know how to move on with my own life. Its so hard, I love him and miss him very much. He is currently serving 40 years to life. He was 17 at the time of the murder, he's now 20.:(

Snowhite, that is a very sad story, and a heartbreak any mother could understand. It is a shame this man's influence was not taken into account. I wish you and your son the very best. We are here for you, you will get a lot of support and understanding here. Blessings, Catherine

well my baby is diffently consider a violent offender he stabbed someone six times, domestic violence case. but the person had him jumped that why this is his first time ever having any problems at all. he never been to jail but i am mad that he let his anger get the best of him and that he was drinking also was a bad combo expecially when you already have alot of pain that the person caused you by using you like adog .but it no excuse what he did was horrible and what so crazy that everyone how knows him cant bellieve that he in jail for this type of crime he is the most friendliest and mannerful and he never fights with people he has so many friends. it a shocked to everyone but what done is done. women isnt pressing charges and she wants to write a letter but of course the state is in charge now. so he is charged with assault in first degree class b felony which i know is probably 10-15 yrs everyone is like oh stop being so negative be optimistic but he did a horrible crime and he going to get the most time , i being nice by saying 10-15 he might get 20 because he cut someone else to get to his ex. i cant believe this is the same guy who got worried i was walking a few blocks in the rain.

My hubby is in for probation violation currently. But we met 6 years ago when he was serving his last 8 months of his original sentence. He was sentenced to 20 years for manslaughter and served 10.5 with good time and earning days working at the prisons. He is considered a violent offender. He was in a drug/alcohol induced rage when he got into a fight with the other person. The other person obviously ended up passing away. It is so sad what one night of bad decisions can do to a person. Or just being in the wrong place at the wrong time, both of which it seems to have happened with my hubby. He is the greatest guy too. He is so gentle with me and our two daughters who are 3.5 and 2. He is a fantastic father, son, brother, husband and person altogether. I don't think anyone that met him on the street could ever guess what he has done and where he has been. He had made a complete turnaround in his life. It is sad that he is back there again for BS. :angry: But he should be home soon. :D It is weird how this whole "justice system" works. I am in awe of what everyone has had to endure on this site and sad by all of the injustice going on. I hope everyone has a Happy Thanksgiving.

Kate

My baby is in for SWIK. He is the most sweet gentle man that I have ever met. All those who know him say that he doesn't have it in him to ever hurt anyone. He was hanging out with the wrong person at the wrong time at the wrong place and now he's paying the hard price of 25 years. And even though he will be gone for a while I will be by his side forever and always.

I considered a VO. He committed 2 very violent murders at the age of 18 and is now 40. He offers no excuses other than being a lost youth full of rage. It's hard for me to see him as that person. I met him about a year ago through my parents who were visiting him through a prison ministry program. They have visited him for over a decade. He's a sweet gentle man now because of his life changing decision to accept Christ into his life. I don't know that he will ever be released, but if he were I have often wondered how difficult it would be for us due to the perceptions of the outside world related to what he did. BUT I love him dearly and we will deal with that bridge when we come to it. For now, I'm just enjoying what he brings to my life and am hopeful that I bring something positive to his. He was so young . . . it just seems so unfair that we can't be together, but then it is what it is, right? :) I never would have thought that I would find myself in this type of relationship. There must be a purpose.

MK

MK! Welcome to PTO and to the VO forum. We are here to support you!!


penwife

MK, welcome to the forum, you will get a lot of support here.

My husband is considered a VO, although he has been in trouble with the law several times prior, he never was considered violent. I have been with him almost 20 years, married almost 17. He is the type of person who would give the shirt off his back to help someone. He was high on drugs and we just found out while in jail that he is bipolar. He was also on antidepressants, which shouldn't be taken without bipolar meds. He was on antidepressants because he was finally able to mourn the loss of our daughter. His mom says he was diagnosed as being bipolar when he was 16 yet when he refused to take the meds after feeling better, she never told anyone, or even him for that matter that he was bipolar and should continue taking his meds. He was told he was hyplogycemic, or something like that. Anyway sorry getting off the track here, just so pissed. But he was dared to do a car jacking, by his drug dealer, and stupid as he is , he does it. He didn't even need the car since he had his own car. But he took the car and drove it near my house and left it. Went back to get his car which was missing a plate so a cop tried to stop him, but being high on drugs he took off, so he basically took cops and state troopers on a 50 mile chase. When they finally stopped him they gave him a beating. He confessed to the car jacking, which they never knew about until he said he did. Anyway he received a flat 7 and has to do 6 of that. This has devasted my family. I just went through radiation and chemo for cervical cancer. I am now a single mom in a sense, and it hurts to have to try to raise our four children on our own, try to hold on to our house and support us with no help. I now have to work nights since I don't trust my little guys with anyone, and my older daughter stays home with my other three children. I feel this has effected her the most , since she has to stay home with them. Anyway I feel they didn't look at the whole picture, they just gave him prison time. I know he didn't deserve a slap on the wrist but I feel he would benefit more from a drug rehab and some mental help also. Prison is not going to take away the fact that he has an addiction problem and is bipolar. He was just granted an appeal and I a am hoping they can help him get the help he needs, so he can come home and be the type of person he really is .

Angel, thanks for sharing. It is amazing how many circumstances there are in why and how a crime is committed. The public, or the judge for that matter, never even hear about these things. I hope things go well for his appeal. And good luck to you and your children, I'm sure it is very hard for you all.

My son is labled a vo.From reading all the posts here it seems like alot of these guys had exstenuating curcumstances.My son left our home town with a construction crew that was working at our local mall. I worked in the mall office so I had met and dealt with these guys for several months. Some of the guys even dated close friends of lil'J. He decided to go with them when they left town thinking if he worked hard he could save up money and start a business of his own.For the first 3yrs everything was great, then in Jan.of 98 things went crazy!! He hadn't been able to come home for Christmas that yr (97) said the guy he worked for was having a rough time and hadn't been able to pay the crew for several weeks and everyone else had up and quit but he was stayin till he got his money. He was staying at the bosses house so he could(the boss) save money. I talked to him several times and he promised he was taking care of lil'J not to worry.Then the phone calls stopped and when we called the house the phone was disconected.The next call I got was from the sherrif's dept. in Mississippi (I'm in Wva) saying they were looking for my son in connection to a murder!Talk about flippin out!!!
Anyway there was another guy involved that his boss owed money to. He had threatened my son,told him if he didn't do what he wanted then he would come after me,his little brothers, and the girls! He kept after him for over 3 weeks and finally broke him down.He rented a car and picked up my son and his boss to"show them a site to build a new casino on" When his boss said he'd be right there, the other guy handed lil'j a knife and said he had to do it today. After he got in the car and they drove out to this cotton field he told my son do it do it know and he tried to slice his throat. Boss man was able to scream and get out of the car and try to run then the other guy told lil'j go finish it or your next then I'll make your mom what me do your family then I'll do her. So he got out and finished the job. They got back in the car and drove to another hotel and he checked them in under another name. He went to a store and bought bandages cause lil'j's hand was cut.and clothes for them both to change into. The other guy then went out and got food for them but Lil'j said he couldn't eat. They then took the car and drove it into the levey, drove another car(the guys) to another area to dump the knife and their clothes,then he gave my son money to get home on,bought him a bus ticket home and told him if he ever opened his mouth he and his family would be next! He'd gotten away with murder before and his family would make sure he got away again! Then he showed him a picture of me and his girl-friends and letters all of us had written him and told him just so you know-I know where they are and I can and will get to them!!! My son was petrified! After he got on the bus someone??? called the sheriff's dept. and said a murder suspect was on a bus headed for WVa. they gave my sons name gee wonder who that was!!:angry: Anyway my son was taken off the bus in Memphis,Tn. He ended up in jail from 1/98 to4/2000 before his trial started.They picked a jury and started the trialApril 5,2000 and it ended and he was sentanced to life April 7,2000. 3 days for a capital murder trial!!!! His public defender was a joke all the info I gave you^ was brought out in court .The other guy involved was arrested and I recieved threatening phone calls at home, there were threats on the shower wall directed to my son. There were threats written on a cell wall towards my son and yes this guy had been charged with murder before and got off just like he got off this time. His trial was later and he got found not guilty!! I didn't expect my baby boy to get off he needed to bare some of the responsiblity but did he deserve it all?? Can you really get a fair trial in that length of time? I know I've taken up alot of space, but thanks for letting me talk.
chickletone

Chickletone, what a sad story. It is a real shame that other man got off. I wonder how many people he has killed since then? It sounds like your son just got mixed up with some bad people. My prayers are with you and him. I know what has happened to him just breaks your heart. How old is your son?

merry christmas to all the members and our forum leaders.
peace be with you!

Atalie,
Thanks for the kind words and your prayers! Lil'j is my oldest he turned 29 last July,28 th. My middle son turned 21 last July31st and my baby boy turned 18 last march 12th. This whole thing has torn the whole family apart. Its just amazing how much some people can get away with and others none. A girl here in Wheeling just got sentenced to 6yrs.flat for making a drug purchase on a payphone!! I just don't get it!
chickletone

Chicklet, ride that bike over here :ha:so I can give you a great big hug. :grouphug:

The so called justice system makes me sad. It should be called Injustice.

my husband is considered a vo, cuz he has 3 felonys against him and one is carrying a gun while robbing a bank
but he is the most kindest, lovable, sweetest person i have ever met

Waitin-just read your post-thanks just like everyone else I could use one! Now is it a left or a right at the light? Can toto and Atalie come too?(smile)
Sorry to hear that MISSINRICH-put it doesn't surprise me! What does surprise me is how the states can get away with some of the stuff they pull!
chickletone

Chickletone....what a sad story.

Thank you for sharing with us.

hugs,
Ann

Of course chicklet bring them both, and turn right and go two blocks, its the house with striped legs sticking out from underneath it! :hehe:

You two are seriously demented! Don't look so shocked, you know who I'm talking to! Oh, do you think there will be a lot of really short guys who sing in very high squeeky voices? I have this fantasy about seven of them! Oh never mind those were the dwarfs!:o :o
Never mind!

:ha::ha::ha::ha::ha::ha::ha::ha::ha::ha:
Good one Atalie!

You guys are gonna haveta forgive me on these posts!! I kept forgettin where I've been and then get lost in this *#*# computer!!!! Besides that Ican't find my other red shoe!! I think one of those lollypop boys had them last!!!! Atalie thats not very nice calling our friends demented:D I'm sure they all mean well!!!:D Besides who has fantasy's about the not one not two but seven dwarfs?? Things that make ya go huuuummmmmm????:thumbsup: chickletone

Chicklet girl u make me :ha: :ha: :ha: :ha: :ha: :ha: :ha:

aaaahhhha!!!! those little buggers did have my shoes!!!!
chickletone

I think that calls for some strict punishment. What oh what will you do?

I'll get them my pretty!!! But not the dogThis ol witch loves animals! I even married 2 doggs course also divorced them too! anyway no lollypops for the boys for several days!!!
chickletone

My bf has a lot of drug/alcohol charges. He got charged with his second domestic last summer bc of a fight we got into. He served 3 mo's got out and was given a reporting sentence that left him out for Christmas but in for that New Years. Stupid me didn't realize why he was still out when he came to see me later that day after he tracked me down. He later told me the real reason why he didn't go in. Bc he couldn't leave me. We've had a lot of fighting issues in our relationship. He was very violent for a long time. I used to get slammed into walls and slapped around a lot. That doesn't mean he can't change.

When he got done serving the 3 mo's on the Domestic for me he never laid a hand on me after that. After that charge he was out for two months, then went on run for 3. And he's been in since March of this year. We've been together since March '03. He still has another year to serve after being in there for 9 mo's so far. I can't wait to move to KY and get away from here. I move to KY for a year for him to finish his sentence then he paroles out of there instead of coming back here and we move to Florida. Let's hope to live Happily Ever After.

Welcome to the forum bonnienclyde05, in spite of some of the past posts not all of us are completely crazy!!! Those of you who are , know who I'm talking about!!!!!!
I really hope things work out for you both, it concerns me he was violent with you, but if you say he has changed maybe he has. I do hope you can live happily ever after. PTO is a great place for support and this thread is a great place to get away from it all.

Uh....ladies....remember this is not the 'freedom cafe' here!! We have to stay on topic!!!
Thanks for understanding!!!


penwife

Sorry, when I posted that, I thought I was in the cafe. I guess I hit the wrong space. I will watch that in the future, thanks for bringing it to my attention.

I've done it before too...and I wasn't pointing fingers!!!!!!

Ann

just because someone is in prison for a violent crime doesn't mean that they are a horrible person.

johnsheart, no it doesn't. I am behind that statement 110%

Steve is considered a violent offender, attempted murder!!! He got 4 years which is great! But the way they made him seem was just outragous! He isn't this malicious person they made him out to be!!! But he is the father of my child, and the man i pray God wants me to spend the rest of my life with!!! !

Ashley, they always portray them as vicious and unredeemable, that is how they get conviction's and long prison terms. The police, the DA., and the judge do not know them like we do. My brother committed a vicious murder, but he is not the crime he committed, and there were circumstances that led up to the crime, as there almost always is.

Your very right atalie, i guess i just get very disturbed when the "legal" system does not acknowledge that obviously someone provoked these people to do these things! In some cases! I just pray that God will place in the hearts of our american leaders that situations arise and sometimes people must take action to defend themselves! Thank you for your reply! God bless you and be encouraged!
Ashley

Ashley, they always portray them as vicious and unredeemable, that is how they get conviction's and long prison terms. The police, the DA., and the judge do not know them like we do. My brother committed a vicious murder, but he is not the crime he committed, and there were circumstances that led up to the crime, as there almost always is.

My son was convicted of Capital Murder.Even though he was forced into the crime by another (who got off again for the 3rd time!) cooperated with the Detectives,he got life instead of the death penalty. Not because of the authorites that promised to help him if he helped them but by the jury who thoutht he deserved to live.People including family members say that I raised a murderer.As soon as people find out what he's in jail for the write him off as a monster.I have another friend who when she got a divorce she and her husband decided it was in the best interest of their 2 boys that he retain custody in the home they were raised in because her job required alot of travel and he worked out of the home.These two still love each other but aren't in love,they wanted things as easy on the boys as possible. Yet she is considered a monter because she"threw away her children.There must be something really wrong with her for a Judge to let him have the kids.He spends half his time defending her and the looks,snide remarks and attitude she gets at school functions is unreal! Because they love the boys and want the best for them she's a monster. People are quick to judge until they are put in a sittuation.

chickletone;
that is sooooo true!!! when people here that my fiance is in prison for atempted murder they don't ask anything they just assume that i run around dating quote on quote "thugs" which isn't the case, he is a loving person, he was in college! And he made an honest mistake that honestly i am glad he made, if he didn't he would not be alive and our son would never know him! I am so sorry to hear about your son! But very thankful he got life instead of death! Thats the one thing i never understand if killing someone is a crime how can the government kill someone with no remorse??? I am a firm believer in stopping the death penalty all together! I just wanted to share with you that i do understand your position; and people are always going to have something to say! Just keep holding your head high because at the end of the day alot of those people couldn't walk 1/2 a mile in your shoes!
Take care and God Bless!
Ashley
My son was convicted of Capital Murder.Even though he was forced into the crime by another (who got off again for the 3rd time!) cooperated with the Detectives,he got life instead of the death penalty. Not because of the authorites that promised to help him if he helped them but by the jury who thoutht he deserved to live.People including family members say that I raised a murderer.As soon as people find out what he's in jail for the write him off as a monster.I have another friend who when she got a divorce she and her husband decided it was in the best interest of their 2 boys that he retain custody in the home they were raised in because her job required alot of travel and he worked out of the home.These two still love each other but aren't in love,they wanted things as easy on the boys as possible. Yet she is considered a monter because she"threw away her children.There must be something really wrong with her for a Judge to let him have the kids.He spends half his time defending her and the looks,snide remarks and attitude she gets at school functions is unreal! Because they love the boys and want the best for them she's a monster. People are quick to judge until they are put in a sittuation.

Chickletone, you are so right about people judging other people. I am still scared to death my sister will find out I am in touch with our brother, I just don't know how she will react. She is a good person, but she is very judgmental and does not forgive easily. It has been nearly ten years, time to let it go as far as I am concerned. He is being punished every day and he is alone. Some people might consider that a justified punishment, but I don't think anyone should be completely alone. It broke my heart when I was doing the christmas card project to hear how many inmates have no one who writes to them, it is so sad. I still feel guilty about not contacting my brother for so long, and I wanted to do it much sooner but was scared. I only pray he understands why it was so hard for me, and forgives me for leaving him alone for so long. I think those who have no one on the outside have a much harder time in prison. Sorry this became so long.

atalie; your soooo right! I can't always write steve as much as i'd like and sometimes i am filled with anger but he told me even if i write him a letter cussing him out just write! And i know why! He is scared just like anyone else would be! He is alone and its sad to see people go away for years or even life and have NOBODY! People in prison aren't your friends! I am sorry to say that, but no one is in there to be friends they are tryin to do there time and call it a day! continue to be blessed!!! Ashley

Atalie you don't have to feel so bad!! The important thing is your bro has you now!! Look how happy your visit made him!! He now knows he has you in his life,and I'm sure that has made his time in prison alittle easier. The fact that he knows you come to PTO also lets him know you're tring everything you can do to understand,love and be there for him! His circle of understanding and support without judgement as gooten alot bigger! Besides without you he'd never have gotten mail from me!(hahaha!) Look at our own lives,with everything we have to do,all the people we inneract with daily,the love of others even our furry family members(my personal favorites!) we still get down and depressed.How can those locked up with no-one help not getting down?If one lousy letter about what my cat did can make someone smile its worth the 20 min. I spent writing it. If I re-enforce to my son that no matter what Momma loves him and is here for him and he has a better day then I don't give a rats patooty what others think!! I have to tell him all the time "God knows the who,what and why"and you two talk it out and deal with it! Its done its over and you can't change what you did but you can use it to grow from,and become a better man because of it.

My son was high on crystal meth and with some other stupid people who decided to rob a pizza delivery guy. The PDG tried to fight one of the other people and my son hit him over the head with a shovel handle. The victim,yes he was a victim,had stitches and 3 days off work.
My son had done STUPID things before but this was the first time he hurt somone.
He earned his prison time by committing his crime, a crime that injured another person. If it takes prison time for him to never do that again then it is time well spent. Heartbreaking yes. It took prison for him to really see what he was doing with his life and to the lives of others.

My heart goes out to you Felixpm!!!
I know what you're going through. My son is in prison also. It's the hardest thing I ever did when I left him behind those bars. As a mother from the moment of conception we start protecting them,nurturing them, and keeping them from harm.Once they start growing we continue to protect and fix their problems and kiss their booboos away.As they get older we still want to do that and when we can't it's an automatic guilt trip!! Its so hard to realize they have to take responsibility and accept the punishment.
you and yours are in my prayers

My man is considered a VO, but... he's really not. He got charged with aggravated armed robbery. And 3-degree burglary. I still love him. I think all of us women in here have learned that we can't look down on these men like most of society does. They're people and they have