my heart feels very sad we give it a good run but came up short.:angry:

Only 50 % of the precincts have reported.

we lost
http://vote2004.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/mapR0662004_11_02_23_53_21.jpg

I'm not giving up hope until 100% of the precincts have reported. Sorry, but there's still a lot of ballots to be counted

but, it has been flipflopping all night...so, it can't be called yet according to kpcc public radio...

ok I will stop crying and keep checking

this is a good site
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/CA/I/01/

click on results by county and you can see what counties are LOCKED...some major counties still have alot of ballots to be counted!

I just heard NPR and they said it's still too close to call and not enough precints in. It was so far ahead earlier!

I'm really kind of upset actually. People overwhelmingly are against gaming expansion but not protecting the rights of people who basically did bad, and then get fully SHAFTED. I mean, what happened to the time fits the crime?!?!?!

I don't get it. I'm really baffled actually

It's 50/50 now looks like we may not know until tomorrow
I have to get to bed,have to be at work in 5 hours.
You all hang in there,there is still hope!

One and a half million dollars flooded in at the last minute and Arnold went around spreading fear and "misstatements."

That's why...:(

But it's not over...

Relax. There are still a lot of votes to be counted. It ain't over til it's over.

I think its more than that, I know that arnold actually gives hope to lifers, I have 2 friends that speak highly of him. He's let out more people than Davis ever did. I was really baffled by his position but he was just saying the same crap all the other opponentss were saying. But I don't think the governer has that much weight on people's opinions. I think people want to feel safe, and i battle this in my own family. My mom keeps saying "how many chances should we give them" and I say, as many as they need, time fits the crime...but she sees it differently and watched what I went thru w/ my ex and how unfair his "offers" were but she didn't care....... Sad.....I mean, I voted for prop 184 and didn't EVER intend for it to do what it did. But I also only really got to see it because I went thru it. Many people....out of site out of mind...and that's sad. Really sad.

well, look how well bush is doing..
he is one of the biggest death penalty governors..
is very hard on drug addicts...

I absolutly commend Arnold for his record on paroling lifers, compared to what we've had the last 10 or so years...

But he has made some horrible statements regarding Prop. 66 at the last minute. It was a surprising turnaround so all I can do is wonder who or what got to him?

people, at least alot of them who weren't wrongly convicted, on death row did henious crimes. we're talking about dime bags, rigs and bags of potato chips...but I know I don't have to tell you :lol

Impoohbearsgirl, I think you are right. It seemed that most of the people I talked to boiled it down to one thing. They didn't want a bunch of convicted felons released. They were scared.

at the rally in San Jose last week, a woman told me her husband was looking at 6 or 8 years is this didn't pass, 2.5 months if it did (he'd spent a year already in county fighting his case)...that's what people need to look at, and those that oppose this didn't. What about all the spouses and children left behind? I'm Sad Sarge.

But why did the percentages change so suddenly? Prop. 66 has been way ahead in the polls until the last few days. That happens to be when new ads and Arnold went out.
Just wondering...

I'm heading to bed....I can't sit and watch the YES % decline any longer.

I'll keep praying that the miracle will happen! Night all and god bless you and yours.

It isn't over yet. I could swing back. Don't give up yet.

Right now 69% of precints reporting...
Yes 3,313,775 48.1 %
No 3,568,669 51.9 %

I don't know how they do those "polls"...I never believe them because no one asked me my opinion :lol Until its at the ballot box and people punch that number, no one really know. It started out strong but still 30% of the precincts still have to be counted. And what's this mean if it doesn't pass? Can we rework it? I know people were really concerned about burglary and arson not being "strikes"...maybe they reworked too much of it and just should have concentrated on the strike being "serious"

I don't know, but as I said, Nite All, see you in 6 hours!!!!

OH MY GOODNESS!!!!

:angry: WHAT HAPPENED?? :angry:

:blah: WHO SWITCHED THE NUMBERS AROUND??? :blah:

impoohsbear..my point is look at our society (scary) ie: our country seems to strongly support bush..a man who put to death a mentally retarded man...

drug addiction is a health problem...yet, he supports incarceratiion...in texas, addicts do a lot of time..ie: there is a woman doing 25 to life for 1/2 gram of cocaine..

meaning..i don't understand the people of this countrie's thinking....you know...

complete prison reform should be on our ballots...like lets start rehabilitating!!!!

It's not over... and if we lose this time, we will try again. Never give up!!

impoohsbear..our country seems to strongly support bush..a man who put to death a mentally retarded man...

drug addiction is a health problem...yet, he supports incarceratiion...in texas, addicts do a lot of time..ie: there is a woman doing 25 to life for 1/2 gram of cocaine..

meaning..i don't understand the people of this countries thinking....you know...

complete prison reform should be on our ballots...like lets start rehabilitating!!!!


FRANCIS: I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU!!! :thumbsup:
THAT'S ONE REASON I DIDN'T VOTE FOR BUSH!!!
KEEP HOPE ALIVE AND HOPEFULLY THE NUMBERS WILL SWITCH RIGHT BACK AROUND :thumbsup:

impoohsbear...exactly...i think by allowing also criminal threats...which for women usually their partner will take action..to not be a serious crime, as well as juveniles who hurt a disabled or elderly person while attempting to rape them as not a serious crime...should have been re-evaluated

and, their child sex law part..was only about penetration...sexual molestation of children should be included...of course in a patriarchal world..it is about protecting the females virginity, thus penetration is the worse..but, many who have survived heinous acts of molestation during their childhood would say otherwise..

having said that there was a lot of good in 66...so hopefully we will either win or get it the next opportunity...for a third strike should not be anything...and, those who have not commited violent crimes should not be getting strikes..

qwerty!! your absolutely right....when the terminator and all the money for the ads started..that is when the numbers changed!!!

Just woke up to see the bad bad bad news! :eek: :eek: I am so disappointed to say the least! I am so emotional right now!!! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: What happened??????? I just can't believe this! :slap: :slap: :banghead: :banghead:

:cry: :cry: This is the worst!!!! I think people were really confused about this entire thing!! Arnold Lied and didnt give his excact truth as a Govenor should! I switched 2 people at work to Vote Yes for it just by giving them a full explanation about the ballot! This is wack!!! I just feel so bad for thoses who were depending on it!!! Honestly I am still leaving it in God's Hands with the Presidency and maybe even some mising ballots for this! :cry: :cry:

My heart is heavy this morning.

while this law wouldn't have helped me or pooh personally TODAY, its one of those I hope NO ONE would ever have to face that wasn't deservering, in and of itself, of a long life sentance.

I'm sorry to those that were waiting for this to pass, to bring your loved ones home sooner. I really believed that we'd do it. When I objectively read the ballot, our statements sounded so fact based, and not fear tacticts. The other side did a fine job of laying out a bunch of bullcrap and sadly, most of california bought it.

That or most of california doesn't even really even UNDERSTAND or CARE that its never right to send a man or woman to prison for a long time, unless their crime fits that time. Chips, Rigs and Dime Bags should NEVER mean that someone gets a life sentance....or even 6 years.

Hi Tomie

I guess the majority of us are really not very pleased with this sad outcome, but we can still keep the info alive. It's just a matter of keeping the CORRECT INFORMATION about this proposition right out there in the face of the doubting public, no matter how long it takes.

Every family that's affected by this Proposition 66, needs to write on a regular weekly basis to all the newspapers throughout California. Send it to "Letters To The EDITORS", and keep it less than 150 words, otherwise it will be rejected. State the facts about Prop 66!! Let the people know that the governor placed false information out there regarding this proposition. Make sure your facts are accurate.

The public was fooled by "scare tactics! Even though the governor knew this was not truthful, he stated that, 26,000 (scary) inmates would be put out onto our streets! That was very far from the truth!!

Had this revision of Prop 66 passed, only aproximately 4,100 non-violent offenders would be eligible for resentencing. Even after a resentencing hearing would it necessarily mean that any of these individuals would be released. The KEY WORD here is "NON-VIOLENT", yet the public was lead to believe that those inmates who have committed violent crimes, such as rape or murder would be included in this "inmates eligible for release" area.

We all have to hang in their together, and work continously keeping the "REAL TRUTH" about this Prop 66 in front of the public until it can, once again, be placed on the ballot. Don't Give Up!!~:thumbsup:

Onita

For those inclined to write letters to editors
http://www.yes66.org/takeaction.htm?article=LetterToEditor.php

This is very sad.....

I am PRAYING for my penpal in California.....he'll walk if this goes in our favor! When will we know the final vote? I am in Canada so........I can only get the info from the net or you gals!

This is going to DEVISTATE his children.....they couldn't help but get excited about their dads release! :cry: I feel so bad for them....he will probly need time before I talk to him again! DAMN!

JayandMe, It didn't pass!

There are lots of ballots to be counted it could still happen !

I broke down at work this morning when I saw the numbers around 12am. I was looking forward to my husband being home soon. Now I don't know what I'm going to do. I didn't know if I should tell my children or not but when I got home I did. And I got just what I knew was coming, my baby girl started crying for her daddy. What can I do for her to help her pain when I can't even stop my own. I have a really bad feeling about what's going to go on in most of these low level prisons like CRC and Corcoran, state reseption centers, and county jails where they were waiting to go to court this Friday. Their files had already been pulled. I can't stop crying. I had so many of my life plans tied up in this bill and now I don't know what I'm going to do. What went wrong?????????

I just wanted to say I am sorry for all you ladies and men who have loved ones that this would have affected in our favor...even though this does not affect me or my husband, I prayed and voted and told EVERYONE to vote YES on this. Ladies don't give up hope...I was so happy last night at midnight when it was passing and how happy I was for all the member of PTO who this would affect, and then I woke up this morning and found out it is not doing too well...all I could think of was "what happened". Don't give up hope yet...

I promise yall dont give up yet! I keep hearing on the radio that it passed! Maybe they are saying it incorrectly but I keep hearing it passed!! Lets just give it thru the rest of the day!!!

Well what now. did it pass or not????? God I pray for all of you that it did.

I just checked and from what I understand, the final votes are not in yet but it stands at 58% NO
47% YES

I stand corrected it's 53% NOI just checked and from what I understand, the final votes are not in yet but it stands at 58% NO
47% YES

Keep praying yall, I know it seems hopeless, but it aint over till its over!!!

This morning I wake up with a very heavy heart but you are right Onita WE need to keep the hope ALIVE and not loose faith. I personally want to THANK all the people that came out to vote and made our voices heard we have to be proud of all the votes that we got it was over 3,313.775 that just shows how much support we really have. I believe we all need to keep an open mind these may just be the beining of something good we just need to keep this info update and in front of the people. I pray for all of us to make us stronger and keep our heads up so lets start writing our love ones that support letter. May god be with all of us

Candy, what radio station are you listening too.

EbonyRoot - I'm crying for you :( I'm so sorry :( Remember everyone, closed mouths do not get fed!

Maybe we should all go rally or something?

ThanksCandy, what radio station are you listening too.

EbonyRoot - I'm crying for you :( I'm so sorry :( Remember everyone, closed mouths do not get fed!

Maybe we should all go rally or something?

I am sitting here at work as tears are running down my face, maybe I shouldn't read this forum but I feel for all of you i agree let's just give it till the end of the day...

These are the final results:

YES 4,440,800 46.6%
NO 5,081,064 53.4%

Joe Klass and the others in the campaign have vowed to keep on fighting to get these reforms in place. It is NOT over!

We also have to look at how close we were! Things are still going to look up and change, a little less than half of the nation agrees with us...hang in there ladies and please don't give up hope!

I've tried so hard to be ok with what has happened but my true feeling about all of this is "If I could get away with slapping 'the livin dog s*@!' out of Arnold I would. I know that it wouldn't bring any of our family members home but it would be a start to helping me feel good and maybe he would then start to listen to some of the dumb a@* things he has said. I wish that people weren't so stupid but because they are, my husband won't be able to see a lot of his sons life on a day to day until he is almost 3. Mad is and understatement. How do you tell the people that voted NO how bad they have messed up lives of people who they don't know by allowing non-violent inmates to have to remain locked up for an amount of time that doesn't fit the non-violent crime commited?

it is almost as if he isnt listening to all of the information available.
dont know.....used to think good things about this governor, but now.....i am not sure
:confused: :confused: myelinsheath

I think we all here fully understand you and would LOVE to do all the things you want to do to Arnold. but you know this just shows us how Damages Arnold really is I hope this has open our eyes to see just what kind of man we are dealing with. My heart hurts cuz my husband would have been home but will all this he still has to do one more year for coffee he got 38 months with 80% of the time. Arnold scares me.

hey Sgt,
just wanted to thank you for helping us keep the faith it is just really hard to understand what happen but god is with all of us.



Relax. There are still a lot of votes to be counted. It ain't over til it's over.

Sarge made me feel really hopefull too :D

This is my first time writing and I found the board because of searching Prop 66.
My husband is in prison (the last 2 years) and he is a third striker (actually a 4th - but they struck a strike the time before). He is 42 and been in and out (mostly in since he was 17). His first 2 strikes were very violent and he served lots of time for (prior to us).
I met him in 1991, he has been in and out our whole marriage for various parole violations. He is an addict and goes back to it alot. I have tried to help and get him off drugs . But a life filled with prison and an extremely bad childhood has made him a great liar and a good cover up.
Well his last offense was a serious violent felony (as described by law) - intent to commit great bodily injury. Alot of the other charges had been dropped and this one was left for the 3rd strike.
I did vote yes for Prop 66 , but the scary thing is knowing my husband and loved one's background; and his past crimes would I want a good number of similar cases out? I am not sure. And yes my husband would of gotten sent back to court and definitly gotten a much lesser sentence.
We have 3 girls. 8 yr old, 4 and 2 year old.
I would of loved more than anything to have them know there dad. But because all of his past and present strikes were serious and violent felonies and even his third. This Prop was going to change definitions of serious and violent and lessened alot. Some people with long criminal and violent records would get out.
It is sad but I am very torn on this. Of course I want my loved one out and to get rehab treatment.
But, on the other hand would you want him out? HIs past convictions were:Armed Robbery with shooting people on heroin, pouring lighter fluid on 2 innocent people and lighting them on fire (Mayhem) and intent to kill someone, fire a gun at them and terrorize them. That is what he has done over the last 20+ years (drug induced).
I can tell you over and over, I am a good person, with good morals, I don't and have not ever used drugs. My husband was a great father (when out and clean), a good provider (when out and clean) a loving husband and good family man (when out and clean). But really do you care?? This Prop WOULD OF let him out. Of course I want him home, but with what I just said would you want him as your neighbor? (all crimes were done to innocent and non-family members).
Just a thought to ponder....

This is my first time writing and I found the board because of searching Prop 66.
My husband is in prison (the last 2 years) and he is a third striker (actually a 4th - but they struck a strike the time before). He is 42 and been in and out (mostly in since he was 17). His first 2 strikes were very violent and he served lots of time for (prior to us).
I met him in 1991, he has been in and out our whole marriage for various parole violations. He is an addict and goes back to it alot. I have tried to help and get him off drugs . But a life filled with prison and an extremely bad childhood has made him a great liar and a good cover up.
Well his last offense was a serious violent felony (as described by law) - intent to commit great bodily injury. Alot of the other charges had been dropped and this one was left for the 3rd strike.
I did vote yes for Prop 66 , but the scary thing is knowing my husband and loved one's background; and his past crimes would I want a good number of similar cases out? I am not sure. And yes my husband would of gotten sent back to court and definitly gotten a much lesser sentence.
We have 3 girls. 8 yr old, 4 and 2 year old.
I would of loved more than anything to have them know there dad. But because all of his past and present strikes were serious and violent felonies and even his third. This Prop was going to change definitions of serious and violent and lessened alot. Some people with long criminal and violent records would get out.
It is sad but I am very torn on this. Of course I want my loved one out and to get rehab treatment.
But, on the other hand would you want him out? HIs past convictions were:Armed Robbery with shooting people on heroin, pouring lighter fluid on 2 innocent people and lighting them on fire (Mayhem) and intent to kill someone, fire a gun at them and terrorize them. That is what he has done over the last 20+ years (drug induced).
I can tell you over and over, I am a good person, with good morals, I don't and have not ever used drugs. My husband was a great father (when out and clean), a good provider (when out and clean) a loving husband and good family man (when out and clean). But really do you care?? This Prop WOULD OF let him out. Of course I want him home, but with what I just said would you want him as your neighbor? (all crimes were done to innocent and non-family members).
Just a thought to ponder....
My prayers are with you and your children. :(

I know it was extremely hard for you to write this reply. But do know that you have my utmost respect for writing it.

Do we really need to throw the baby out with the bath water? We were not advocating that the 3 Strikes law be abolished, just the flaw in the law repaired! Maybe if that man that you describe had been sentenced to some kind of drug treatment rather than prison (or in addition to) we would all be better off. Prison sentences are not drug rehab.

There are people that have been sentenced under the present 3 strikes law that have not done nearly what you have described. The law still needs to be repaired! I feel for you but I also feel that the punishment should fit the crime. The 3 strikes law in its present form does not do that. AND THAT IS JUST MY HUMBLE OPINION! No offense meant so hopefully none taken. :cool:

thank you Mrs. L very well put

Welcome to PTO, Timeri... :) and thanks for your frank opinions.

I am curious, though, why your husband would have been released.... I thought the third offense had to be nonviolent?

Welcome to PTO, Timeri... :) and thanks for your frank opinions.

I am curious, though, why your husband would have been released.... I thought the third offense had to be nonviolent?

qwerty, you are right! If his 3rd strike was a violent or serious felony he would NOT have been released. And those charges that she said that they dropped could have been picked up and tried along with the present 3rd strike case being re-tried. There are still laws in effect that send violent and serious criminals to prison.... 3 Strikes or not!