I was at the prison on Saturday visiting Josh. Our visit was going great. They had a new officer in the vp and we were told that he was a hard one. Well, during our final thirty minutes we always get emotional. I was crying and layed my head on his shoulder while he held me. The officer called him over and gave him a disciplinary referal for "unauthorized physical contact" What a joke. Josh will be fighting it this week in dr court and hopefully will win.

Saundra

OH man...you just gotta love the newbies. I think they carry their books around and look for misconduct. I dont get it really. Whats wrong with laying your head on their shoulder when you are obviously upset. Unauthorized physical contact? What do the rules say about that specifically? Geez...good luck to him in court.

Sorry to hear about your visit. I hate how new correctional officers try to throw their weight around. It seems like Angel said, they carry their rule infraction book in their pocket hoping someone will break one so they can get some paper time....
Hope everything goes well for Josh.


Frozen

That really sucks...I hope he wins his case..Good Luck!!

Me too---good luck.

That really sucks...I hope he wins his case..Good Luck!!

I was visiting my son in Lompoc FCi this summer. When the grandkids and I went into the visiting area, we immed went and got whatever things they had for enternmaint. ie: cards, checkers. I grabbed a couple of hardback book, (Bible Stories) to hold things down if it got windy. Well this young wet behind the ears guard swaggers over to me bout 4 hrs later and tells me that I can't have a hardback book in there and he will have to write my son up and terminate our visit. Well, since I had just spent oodlles of money flying everyone down from Oregon to California that DID NOT go over good with me. I asked so sweetly how he thought I had got that book in there cause they do everything but strip search you to get in. He kept insisting, my son was scared to say anything, I finally asked him to go get the senior guard or the WARDEN NOW!!! Cause if he terminated my visit, I was going to retire, move down here and make his life a living hell, I am an old lady what do I have to lose. Anyway, he went and got another guard and explained to him that I had had to sneak this book in and that I was in voilation of the rules..Thank God the other guard looks at him and says " U ever look at the books up at the desk?" This is one of them and its so big and she is so little where do u think she put it? The 2nd guard was nice and apolagized for everything which really amazed me and no one bothered us for the rest of our 3 day visit. But the point is, if they can hassle you they will, the newer the guard, the bigger the ego. Look at me, I have the POWER!!!!
V

Vangieh: Can't Mess With You!!!!!!!

Saundra: Sorry To Hear That. We Used To Have The Guards Come Up To Us And Tell Us To Calm It Down (the Touching Of Course) But After Every Single Visit I Would Contact The Warden And Report All Of Them Or File A Citizens Complaint And After A Few Of Those They Stopped Bothering Us. You Definitely Have To Put Your Foot Down And Let Them Know That You Are Not Afraid Of Them!!!!! Good Luck To Your Baby In Court And Next Time That Happens You Ask Them For A Complaint Form And You'll See Their Attitude Change Right Around!!!

What a great story Vangeih!

Enchanting....

What ever came of your bf's DR??????

I haven't been on here for a while...sorry. Things have been getting very frustrating lately.
He cannot have visits until December 26, but there is a little bit of good news; he was transfered closer to me. He is only lijke a 45 minute drive from me. It is not good for his mom, she is about 4 1/2 hours away now.
Things have been incredibly hard lately. I don't know if it his upcoming hearing or what, but it is hard as hell.
Saundra

HI, I know I cannot add any more that has already been said, but I guess I have to ask what custody level he was in. I was in medium custody and the physical contact was only allowed as a hug coming to visitation and one leaving. I understand exactly what you are saying about something that seems frivilous, but if that is a rule, it will be difficult in him beating that. I had no problem going into a debate with prisons with "all guns blazing" if I knew I had a legitimate argument, and could prove it by rules. However, if the rule say no physical contact, and he does it, it is a write up. Don't know if you have heard from him yet, but if he has not "fought" it yet, I might advise caution for the following reasons:

First, even when you are right, no prison is going to admit defeat. Take it from someone who was kicked out of several prisons. I have gone head to head with kitchen officers, sergeants, lieutenants, captains and wardens. Prison officials do not like to admit they are wrong, and would rather ship you off the camp than admit that. If they act that way when you are right, how might they act when you are wrong? There is a tactical way of maybe pulling this one out, but if he fights this bearing fangs, he will lose and probably get a worse punishment. If he can find some way to explain and apologize for his action, it is quite possible they might have some mercy on him.

Am I asking him to crawl on his knees...not at all. But if he broke a rule, he is at fault. If this is true and he wants to fight it to the last letter, prisons have a way of making life much harder than it has to be. That will not help him at all. If there is a way for him to talk to them like a person, not an angry inmate, there might be a chance. You have my very best wishes on this matter.

I wonder how many of these officers could make it if they were in prison.

Not too many of them.


On another note, Thanks enchanting for keeping us posted, I kind of know what you are going through with your boyfriend. My brother was transfered to Oak Park Heights a while back and now all of his visits are non contact. It totally sucks. Just at the time when i was able to go see him again I have to sit behind a plane of glass. So sorry to hear about what you are going through. It must be hard for both you and his mother.

Keeping you in my prayers...

I have great news. My boyfriend Josh actually won the appeal against the D.R. I think that I am more happy that he won, so now I can go see him. It is much better than having to wait until December 26. Thanks for your support!
Saundra

Great news enchanting....

So glad that he won his appeal.