BSS
12-27-2002, 12:47 AM
Ed,
It’s been brought to my attention that you have some pretty negative things to say about the art and artists who contribute art to the web site. Those same people freely contribute art to the PTO web site and are happy to do so.
Normally I wouldn’t consider responding to our critics because our art is not for everyone. However your’ not really criticizing the quality of our art. What you’re doing is character assassination ad you don’t even know us.
You claim to be an x con so you should know how hard it is for us to overcome stereotypes; we’re trying very hard to do something positive with our lives. The contributors at are all serving very lengthy sentences and are permanently housed in isolation cells at the Pelican Bay SHU unit so it’s really difficult for us to stay positive and be productive. Then here you come – x con – and you’re putting us down. You’re calling us sexist, racist, wild men with too much testosterone in our art.
I’ll address each of those slanderous allegations in turn. First the sexist issue. Without exception every drawing depicting a woman on our site was created for a woman, a wife, girlfriend m. mother or daughter. All of the women depicted by us are clothed, we never depict women in submissive posed. It is true that many of our women are scantly clad. Hello welcome to the world of art. We like all the thousands of artists who came before and the millions to follow happen to find the curves of a woman’s body interesting, beautiful and attractive. Most of the women in our art are portraits we just spice up the setting. Here’s a couple examples – of course you’ll have to actually checkout our web site to make sense of it- # 4 is a portrait of my friend, his daughter and her new husband, the artist just changed their clothing and setting. I find it much more interesting than a simple portrait. #12 is a portrait of another friend and his wife, his wife specifically asked for this pose. She wanted to show off her body and make a statement, “She’s beautiful Proud and she’s standing by her man even though he’s in a cage”. The drawing came out so good that I asked her if I could put some lettering on it and use it as the logo she said heck yeah! She is very happy with the piece. It hangs proudly on her wall, it’s the first thin she sees when she wakes up. #9 is not a portrait but it was a gift to a friend’s girlfriend, she’s really into the whole Amazon warrior thing. She asked for a piece to pay tribute to Queen Boudicca. She’s a British Celtic queen who died in an unsuccessful revolt against the Romans. In fact she lead the charge with her war dogs. I think the artist did a great job of conveying the story and the recipient went crazy with joy over it! #18 is also not a portrait but it was a gift to a friends wife, she is always joking about keeping him in line and out of trouble by “cracking her whip’. Needless to say she loves the piece and it hangs proudly in her front room. One last thing, the woman on the book cover, the one you referred to as a “bimbo with big tits and is disgusting”. She to is a friends wife she’s not a bimbo and in fact has been a loyal loving wife for 20 years, 14 years of that he’s been in prison because a smart mouth creep disrespected his loving wife. I guess the guy couldn’t take a punch. Anyhow she took that picture as women sometimes do to send to her husband. Personally I don’t think that makes her a bimbo and I would never put someone down due to his or her body type. When a well-published author asked Dale to create a book cover for a book about a mafia spy girl he said sure, then he asked if anyone had any pictures of women he might use. Jim said maybe but he’d have to ask his wife first, well she liked the idea of being on the cover of a book as most people would and the rest is history.
Now about you calling us racists since you didn’t have the guts to come right out and say it I’m not positive that’s what you meant. There is two ways to take what you said, either you’re calling is racists or you are so full of racial hatred that you are angered by the mere site of white people depicted in art. What you said is “our art is too Nordic and that you don’t approve”. The word Nordic really means Scandinavian and since we only have two pieces that can even be considered Scandinavian/ Viking you must not have actually meant Nordic. What I believe you were doing was using the word Nordic as a code word meaning white I’m guessing you chose that particular word because it’s often-wrongly-associated with the Nazis. Anyone who bothers to checkout our site will see that we don’t have any Nazi or racist art at all. It is true that we haven’t reached the diversity of artists that we some-day hope to reach but that’s probably due to the ignorant comments of pot stirring haters like you. We at would never accuse a black artist art of being too African just because his art usually depicts other black people. That’s outrageous and offensive to all the people of the world. I would also like to point out that all the art at is donated for free, how we get this art is when an artist finishes a piece they send it to they scan it and have cards made then forward it to the artists family. We can’t pay the artists because so far we are still in the red. All we can give the artists is a handful of cards and that comes out of my pocket.
About our art having too much testosterone OH please, we’re male prisoners so that’s pretty much a prerequisite. But the bottom line is we do what people ask us to. If you’d like me to do you a drawing of kittens and bunnies I’d be happy to it’ll cost you $50. If you’d like a big complicated portrait you’ll have to send us good clear photos and describe the setting you desire. The price for our # 4 was $125.00 simple portraits are less. I think you should lighten up we’re trying to do something positive for prison artists worldwide. It’s not like we don’t have any diversity. Here’s just a partial list, a beautiful Low Rider car, portrait scene, Indian pony, Spanish vaquero, light house, frog, snake, wolves, fishing scene, several rodeo and western scenes. All kinds of dog portraits and fantasy pieces.
It’s been brought to my attention that you have some pretty negative things to say about the art and artists who contribute art to the web site. Those same people freely contribute art to the PTO web site and are happy to do so.
Normally I wouldn’t consider responding to our critics because our art is not for everyone. However your’ not really criticizing the quality of our art. What you’re doing is character assassination ad you don’t even know us.
You claim to be an x con so you should know how hard it is for us to overcome stereotypes; we’re trying very hard to do something positive with our lives. The contributors at are all serving very lengthy sentences and are permanently housed in isolation cells at the Pelican Bay SHU unit so it’s really difficult for us to stay positive and be productive. Then here you come – x con – and you’re putting us down. You’re calling us sexist, racist, wild men with too much testosterone in our art.
I’ll address each of those slanderous allegations in turn. First the sexist issue. Without exception every drawing depicting a woman on our site was created for a woman, a wife, girlfriend m. mother or daughter. All of the women depicted by us are clothed, we never depict women in submissive posed. It is true that many of our women are scantly clad. Hello welcome to the world of art. We like all the thousands of artists who came before and the millions to follow happen to find the curves of a woman’s body interesting, beautiful and attractive. Most of the women in our art are portraits we just spice up the setting. Here’s a couple examples – of course you’ll have to actually checkout our web site to make sense of it- # 4 is a portrait of my friend, his daughter and her new husband, the artist just changed their clothing and setting. I find it much more interesting than a simple portrait. #12 is a portrait of another friend and his wife, his wife specifically asked for this pose. She wanted to show off her body and make a statement, “She’s beautiful Proud and she’s standing by her man even though he’s in a cage”. The drawing came out so good that I asked her if I could put some lettering on it and use it as the logo she said heck yeah! She is very happy with the piece. It hangs proudly on her wall, it’s the first thin she sees when she wakes up. #9 is not a portrait but it was a gift to a friend’s girlfriend, she’s really into the whole Amazon warrior thing. She asked for a piece to pay tribute to Queen Boudicca. She’s a British Celtic queen who died in an unsuccessful revolt against the Romans. In fact she lead the charge with her war dogs. I think the artist did a great job of conveying the story and the recipient went crazy with joy over it! #18 is also not a portrait but it was a gift to a friends wife, she is always joking about keeping him in line and out of trouble by “cracking her whip’. Needless to say she loves the piece and it hangs proudly in her front room. One last thing, the woman on the book cover, the one you referred to as a “bimbo with big tits and is disgusting”. She to is a friends wife she’s not a bimbo and in fact has been a loyal loving wife for 20 years, 14 years of that he’s been in prison because a smart mouth creep disrespected his loving wife. I guess the guy couldn’t take a punch. Anyhow she took that picture as women sometimes do to send to her husband. Personally I don’t think that makes her a bimbo and I would never put someone down due to his or her body type. When a well-published author asked Dale to create a book cover for a book about a mafia spy girl he said sure, then he asked if anyone had any pictures of women he might use. Jim said maybe but he’d have to ask his wife first, well she liked the idea of being on the cover of a book as most people would and the rest is history.
Now about you calling us racists since you didn’t have the guts to come right out and say it I’m not positive that’s what you meant. There is two ways to take what you said, either you’re calling is racists or you are so full of racial hatred that you are angered by the mere site of white people depicted in art. What you said is “our art is too Nordic and that you don’t approve”. The word Nordic really means Scandinavian and since we only have two pieces that can even be considered Scandinavian/ Viking you must not have actually meant Nordic. What I believe you were doing was using the word Nordic as a code word meaning white I’m guessing you chose that particular word because it’s often-wrongly-associated with the Nazis. Anyone who bothers to checkout our site will see that we don’t have any Nazi or racist art at all. It is true that we haven’t reached the diversity of artists that we some-day hope to reach but that’s probably due to the ignorant comments of pot stirring haters like you. We at would never accuse a black artist art of being too African just because his art usually depicts other black people. That’s outrageous and offensive to all the people of the world. I would also like to point out that all the art at is donated for free, how we get this art is when an artist finishes a piece they send it to they scan it and have cards made then forward it to the artists family. We can’t pay the artists because so far we are still in the red. All we can give the artists is a handful of cards and that comes out of my pocket.
About our art having too much testosterone OH please, we’re male prisoners so that’s pretty much a prerequisite. But the bottom line is we do what people ask us to. If you’d like me to do you a drawing of kittens and bunnies I’d be happy to it’ll cost you $50. If you’d like a big complicated portrait you’ll have to send us good clear photos and describe the setting you desire. The price for our # 4 was $125.00 simple portraits are less. I think you should lighten up we’re trying to do something positive for prison artists worldwide. It’s not like we don’t have any diversity. Here’s just a partial list, a beautiful Low Rider car, portrait scene, Indian pony, Spanish vaquero, light house, frog, snake, wolves, fishing scene, several rodeo and western scenes. All kinds of dog portraits and fantasy pieces.