Okay I have a question...after you get married it's okay to write sexy letters...but what if you "jiggle"...is it still a sin?

That's A Good Question. I Would Like To Know The Answer To That. I Guess We Should Pray About It.

Shona`

I hate to ask...but what the heck is "jiggle?"

LOL.....mlg I was thinking the same thing......I want to know what jiggle means.

softie

I am lost too...what is "jiggle"?!?!?!

If I had to guess...I'd say...uhm...self-pleasuring your...uh...genitals.

Lmfoa........i'm Sorry... But What The Heck Is "jiggle"?

I thought I was the only one that didnt know what this meant! LOL!!!! I am glad to see I am not!

LOL me too! I clicked the post just to see what it meant. :D

Babieboo fill us in........what the heck does it mean!?!?

i think it is boo

ISN'T ANYONE EVER GOING TO TELL US WHAT THE HECK JIGGLING IS?!?

Come on...we can't be held in suspense any longer. Am I a sinner or not?

I thought it was gain weight and your bum was going to jiggle when you walked!!!:idea:

Someone answered and said it meant to self pleasure yourself. Umm I am not sure if that is considered a sin? Good Question thought Please let us know!

When I saw "jiggle" I thought of the fat on my arm...and in my opinion...it's a sin to wear tanktops when you have that "jiggle."

What ever jiggling IS, I think its a personal choice. Mr. D and I go by this.....

Whatever goes on between us is just that.. between US. If we both agree to it, feel comfortable with it and we aren't going to go to jail for it.. it ain't wrong.

IMHO, God has weightier matters on his mind. If you go to he** for jiggling, probly the company will be really good. (WHATEVER it is.) Babieboo I don't think you have an evil molecule in your being.

Haha! Great response haswtch!

Babieboo...you seem like a sweetheart. I think you'll be the tour director on the bus up to heaven. No worries should be on your heart!

AWWWWW babieboo you are too cute! i just love ya! LOL "Jiggling" is what mlg said it was! i dont know the answer to your ? because i am just getting into the whole bible thing, you know that. but i know what you mean. i dont see anything wrong with that though expecially if you are married! And i think dragon summed it all up. if it is between you guys, than there is nothing wrong with it hun! believe me girlie girl, you will defenetaly be an angel going to heaven even if ya do jiggle ;) :thumbsup: !

Babieboo -- you have enlightened me through this thread. Thank you for putting some laughter in my day. I enjoyed reading everyone's posts.

Being married women under these circumstances puts us in a unique position in terms of our sexual relationships. When the Bible refers to "jiggling" as a sin, I am not sure that the Lord had inmate wives in mind when the discussion arose way back then.:blush: I am married woman and we have trailers so we do get our "quality time" a few times a year; but we jiggle too!:D

I think the relevant Biblical point had to do with "spilling one's seed on the ground," and I think at the time they needed more kids to carry on the line. I don't think it applies so that's MY excuse:)
this thread is just too cute

MASTURBATION!

Sorry, I just had to say it since everyone else appears to be afraid to. :)

All i can do is :haha: :haha: :haha:

Okay once you solve the issue of whether or not jiggling is a sin could you please let me know if it also applies to jiggling while on the phone aka PHONESEX? I probably should have thought of this long ago! LOL

Ring, Ring,
Patty

Patty, forget it, you're long lost! (jk)

Yall are all off the chain. "Jiggling" is about all we have right now, please oh please dont take that away from us. I dont know how I could break the news to BOB LOL He wont take this well :(

Patty, forget it, you're long lost! (jk)

I thought as much :shrug: Oh well, I'll save you a seat! LOL

Long ago, there was a thread on this topic. I posted a few links to "what the Bible says about masturbation". I got bashed by some, but I know, as a Christian that I am to expect this and be joyful. I have looked for that thread and I don't find it, but from my studies on this subject, we are to be Christlike.

Masturbation is self-gratification and one is giving into the desires of the flesh when they masturbate. The Bible teaches against this. I know that us married women may think that this is the only way for us to have sex while our husbands are incarcerated, but my Bible teaches me that this is wrong, and we are not to add to or take away from God's Word.

I would be happy to search and post links again if anyone is interested. Bottom line is do we live for pleasures of the flesh or do we follow God's Word? It is not always easy being a Christian.....satan is very crafty........he got Eve to taste the forbidden fruit, didn't he? I believe that we each just have to do the best we can and keep God first in all we do. Blessings,

JIGGLE VS MASTERBATE :confused: :confused:

Masterbate sounds so clinical. :idea:
I had never heard the word "jiggle" until I read this thread and the posts that followed. :slap: :slap:
I like the word "jiggle" it sounds kinky and nasty all at the same time. :cool: :cool:
IT'S JIGGLING BABY" -- Didn't LL Cool J sing these very words in a song of his?? :hifive:
But some how I don't think this is what he meant.
Whatever the case maybe most of us learned a new word -- JIGGLE :yes: :yes:

Masturbate is an awful sounding word, I do agree....

Writing sexy letters okay, when married? It should be okay if you are writing your spouse, but anyone else you are playing with fire. Masturbation...some churches preach against it, but I don't believe its biblical.

Where is the author of this thread??????????? we need answers....NOW!!!!!!!

I consider myself a Christian...but as we know, there are Christians of different levels...

People keep mentioning that you masturbate because your husbands are in prison and you cannot have sex with them... But isn't sex against God's rule book as well unless its for the intention of having children?

I apologize if I'm wrong...

I think NOT Jiggling is a sin myself. Puhleeze! I don't jiggle cause my "husband is in prison" (he isn't.. im not married).. I jiggle cause it is a normal human thing to do. I am not down for the church saying it is a sin, cause it sure isn't!!, nor would i be very happy if my children were taught this.. It is a normal thing to do, and completely healthy if you ask me (or any doctor)..

Why does religion have to tell us what to do and what not to do, when really it should be there as a shoulder to cry on, and a place to go to seek healing advice. As soon as religion starts pressuring me to follow certain guidelines and to tell me that doing natural healthy things like "jiggling" is a sin, that is where i have a major problem..

Please understand that these are only my feelings and views.. I do not judge anyone for what they do, I only tell you what isn't or is good for me. So please do not be offended!

Long ago, there was a thread on this topic. I posted a few links to "what the Bible says about masturbation". I got bashed by some, but I know, as a Christian that I am to expect this and be joyful. I have looked for that thread and I don't find it, but from my studies on this subject, we are to be Christlike.

Masturbation is self-gratification and one is giving into the desires of the flesh when they masturbate. The Bible teaches against this. I know that us married women may think that this is the only way for us to have sex while our husbands are incarcerated, but my Bible teaches me that this is wrong, and we are not to add to or take away from God's Word.

I would be happy to search and post links again if anyone is interested. Bottom line is do we live for pleasures of the flesh or do we follow God's Word? It is not always easy being a Christian.....satan is very crafty........he got Eve to taste the forbidden fruit, didn't he? I believe that we each just have to do the best we can and keep God first in all we do. Blessings,

Amen!! This is what I found to be my answer also. I have gotten into a discussion on this with my sister in Christ. We both have been struggling in this area and have been getting attacked my sex demons in our sleep. My fiancee and I used to write sexy letters but we stopped that last year. Thank you so much!

Yes "jiggling" means masterbation. I got that from our friend in India. LOL!

hey babieboo! okay to seriously answer your ? i did some searching on that site www.bible.com here is the link and page that came up about the word masturbation. hope this helps ya baby girl ;)
http://www.bible.com/answers/amasturb.html

Why Didn't God Call Masturbation Sin?
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We have heard a lot of explanations of why masturbation is sin, but we have yet to have anyone give us a good explanation for why the Bible does not say it is. Is there any other sexual sin which is not directly and clearly identified as sin in the Bible? There are passages which clearly label as sin such things as fornication, adultery, lust, incest, rape, homosexuality, and even bestiality. Surely the urge to masturbate is more common than most of these, and much stronger than many of them, and yet the Bible says nothing about it. If God felt it necessary to tell us not to have sex with animals, why didn't He also find it necessary to tell us not to masturbate?

I can only come up with three reasons why "thou shalt not masturbate" is not found in the Bible:

It's an oversight.
One must have special knowledge or be spiritual to know this truth.
Masturbation is not an inherently sinful act.
Number one makes the Bible incomplete, while number two is the heresy of Gnosticism. By process of elimination I am left to conclude that number three must be true.

I know some will say, "it does not matter why God didn't say it," or "who are you to question God?" But it does matter; if you want to add to what God has called sin you must first give a good reason why God did not say it Himself. Since there is no doubt that masturbation was known of and practiced by those who originally read and heard the words of the scripture, the Bible's silence on the issue is extremely difficult to explain if you are convinced masturbation is sin.

Most of the arguments we see against masturbation seem to work because the person making them starts with the belief that masturbation is wrong. If someone starts with the question "is it sin" and studies the scripture to find the truth rather than to support what they have already decide the truth should be, the results are different. It is our prayer that asking "why didn't God say masturbation is sin" will help people to reexamine the issue and find a Biblically sound answer.




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Masturbation Discussion
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This began as answers to a number of arguments against masturbation that were submitted anonymously by one person. We have since added to and altered the article. We invite everyone to use the anonymous question form (http://www.themarriagebed.com/ask_a_q.shtml) to continue this debate; we will modify this article from time to time based on the feed back. Anything in brown comes from Paul and/or Lori, while things in blue are from others.

Please note that this discussion is about masturbation in general, and about whether or not it is inherently sinful. For the most part we are thinking of a single person, not a married person. Certainly there are scriptures that apply to a married person that do not affect an unmarried one in this matter.

Let us start by saying that in the past we would have been quick to agree masturbation was wrong. We believed that ALL masturbation was sin, and we could string together Bible verses to "prove" that. However, as we continued to study, it became more and more clear to us that the Bible did not really address the issue. When we applied to masturbation the same standards of interpretation we used for everything else, we could find no Biblical prohibition.
And, since we are married and very happy sexually, this is pretty much an academic argument for us; being convinced masturbation is wrong would not affect our lives. On the other hand, there are many for whom this issue is far from academic, and we pray that we can help such people become convinced in their own minds. Certainly masturbation is wrong for anyone who feels it's sin, in accordance with Romans 14:23b "for whatever is not from faith is sin." The question we need to deal with is whether or not masturbation is, in and of itself, inherently sinful.

I think the Word talks about this subject several times, just not directly.

My question then would be "Why would God not be very clear about it?" We have a very hard time with the idea that knowing what is right and wrong requires great discernment or the ability to dig deeply into the scriptures. For more on this see Why didn't God call masturbation sin? (http://www.themarriagebed.com/masturbationnotcalledsin.shtml)

When the Bible says, "if a man cannot control himself he should marry" I don't believe this is only talking about sexual immorality with another person, because a another scripture says, "exercise self control" I read that to say control YOURSELF.

The apostle Paul makes it clear that there are those who can not continue to control themselves, and thus should marry. He says this not only to the young, but also to all widows under the age of 60! In 1 Tim. 5:11 Paul indicates that these women will "feel sensual desires" and will "want to get married." We would agree with that there is more to marriage than just avoiding sexual sin, and that the gift of celibacy must be much more than just the ability to say no to sex. This does not change the fact that Paul made it very clear that many do not have the ability to go a life time without sex.

When people do masturbate and then "feel guilty", is it really guilty or conviction? When we sin against "the temple of the Holy Spirit" we always feel a sense of shame, that is because we just did something against our body that the Lord himself occupies.

An excellent point: is it conviction, from the Holy Spirit, or condemnation from man or Satan? We know single men who feel convicted the moment they look too long or too closely at a woman, but feel no guilt when they masturbate. If their conscience was seared, would they be so easily convicted about lust? On the other hand we know married men and women who feel great guilt when they have sex with their own spouse. Clearly sexual guilt can be inappropriate and not of God.

Is masturbation denying our flesh, or "gratifying our flesh"?

When we eat dessert, do we deny the flesh? Does air conditioning or hot water for showers deny the flesh? "Denying the flesh" does not mean we should avoid anything which feels good, it means we should avoid fleshly sins. If masturbation were listed as a sin, then it would be included in denying the flesh, but since it's not called a sin, it's not included.

Masturbating leads to other sexual sins, self control over masturbation helps us avoid other sexual sins.

The idea that avoiding masturbation will somehow make a person less likely to commit other sexual sins is not Biblically supported, and we think such an idea comes from what Paul calls "self-imposed religion" in Colossians:

"Therefore, if you died with Christ from the basic principles of the world, why, as though living in the world, do you subject yourselves to regulations-- "Do not touch, do not taste, do not handle,"...These things indeed have an appearance of wisdom in self-imposed religion, false humility, and neglect of the body, but are of no value against the indulgence of the flesh." (Col. 2:20, 21 & 23)

Paul says that "neglect of the body" seems wise to man's mind, but it is "of no value" in dealing with the flesh. We have heard some say that the single who does not masturbate is training him or herself to also deny the temptation to have premarital sex; this sounds good, but in practice it does not seem to work. On the contrary, those who "deny" themselves masturbation seem to be more prone to sexual sin with a boy or girlfriend. Some who have "tried it both ways" have said that masturbation makes it much easier for them to remain sexually pure on a date.

Marriage is reserved for MAN AND WOMAN together to become one. Sex is made for marriage alone, masturbation is a sexual act, ...

That would depend on how you define a sex act. Sex with one's spouse is physical, emotional, relational, spiritual, and possibly procreational. Masturbation is only physical. In seems to us that comparing masturbation to sex is like comparing an IV to a gourmet meal. Masturbation does temporarily remove our "sexual hunger," but it does nothing for the hunger we have for intimacy with another person.

Masturbation increases our sex drive.

Actually is does not. When a man has sex with a woman it satisfies his sexual hunger, but raises his testosterone levels long term, which can result in an increased sex drive. However, when a man masturbates he only satisfies his hunger, his testosterone levels are not raised. We see this as evidence that a loving God designed masturbation as a "stop gap" measure for those who do not have a spouse.

Masturbating shows no sign of self control, or denying yourself to honor the Lord. As with fasting, not masturbating is denying your flesh and depending on the Lord.

This assumes that the Lord intends us to not masturbate, something He has not told us. 1 Cor. 10:13 reads: No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.
Is masturbation a temptation to be avoided, or is it actually the means of escape from sexual sin, provided by God for singles, and for married folks who are refused sex? If it's a temptation to be avoided, what is the way of escape that has been provided? Among those who feel it's a sin, the "failure rate" at avoiding masturbation is very, very high. I know of no other sin which has such a high failure rate, so where is God's way of escape? And if masturbation is a sin which is almost impossible to avoid, why is the Bible silent on it?
What is truly frightening is the people who feel so guilty (condemned, not convicted) at their failure to stop masturbating that they stop going to church, and fall away from the Lord. People say "I prayed for help, and He didn't help me." Perhaps the problem is that they are praying for Him to take away something He intended them to use to avoid sin? Maybe it's Satan who is whispering in single people's ears about masturbation being sin? Those who fail to stop feel condemned, and those who do stop are more easily tempted to fornicate; Satan wins either way.

I don't understand why you say masturbation is not a sin, but pornography is a sin. The arousal to masturbate and the masturbation itself are the result of fantasies.

This is not entirely correct. While fantasies and sexual images can cause or increase arousal, God created us with a sex drive which needs no physical, mental or visual stimulation to affect us. In men there is a need for release of built up semen every 24 to 72 hours, and in both men and women a period of time without sex causes a growing desire for sex.

I think masturbation is ok if done in moderation ... The sin starts when done in excess. Excess being it is interfering in your daily life by utilizing a lot of your time. That could be said about a lot things, such as TV, Internet, exercise, shopping, etc.

We agree with you on this. Of course defining "excessive" can be tricky. There is a lot of evidence that most teenage boys and 20 to 30 year old men will have an orgasm every other day if they can. This fits well with the time needed for the body to produce enough semen to feel a need for release. It seems likely that every other day is a sort of minimal need for the body and maybe for the mind in most men. For women the issue of how often is too much is a lot less clear because their bodies do not have a build in need for release.

Jesus said it was adultery to fantasize about having sex with a woman. So masturbation is sin because it is done while fantasizing.

The issue of fantasy is certainly part of the masturbation question. Fantasy about sex with someone you are not married to is sin with or without masturbation. It is possible to masturbate without any fantasy, which solves the problem.

It is impossible for someone to masturbate and not fantasize. Anyone who says they can do this is lying!!

We have heard this a number of times, but no one can tell us how they know it's true. There are reports of very young children self discovering masturbation (to orgasm) when they had no idea what sex was. These children obviously masturbated without sexual fantasies. If someone tells me they can do this, who am I to call them a liar? Isn't it easier to control one's thoughts for the time it takes to masturbate than to do it all day with the push of an unreleased sex drive?

I do not think masturbation will prevent premarital sex. Premarital sex has to do with the opportunity and temptation to have sex, masturbating or not. But it is kind of a safety switch for those who really want to follow Jesus' teachings.

Exactly. It certainly is not going to prevent anyone who is not morally inclined to follow God's Word. On the other hand, we have heard reports from individuals who wanted to avoid fornication who are convinced that masturbation helps remove some of the temptation. It's like going to the grocery store on an empty stomach vs. having just eaten.

Jesus remained pure throughout his natural life with the help of the Holy Spirit, and I just can't picture Him masturbating.

This "argument" is common, but what does it prove? Can you picture Jesus preforming basic bodily functions that we know He must have? This always seems like a Red Herring to us.






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Masturbation in Marriage
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In other parts of this section, we have stated that we do not see masturbation as inherently sinful for singles. But what about for those who are married? Before we dig in, let's define some terms. When we say masturbation, we mean self stimulation to orgasm. So neither manual stimulation of your spouse or self stimulation that does not result in orgasm is included in what we are discussing here. We will also define solo masturbation as something done apart from our spouse (with or without their knowledge) and mutual masturbation as both husband and wife masturbating together at the same time.

Since our bodies, and thus our sexuality, no longer belongs to us alone, but also to our spouse (1 Corinthians 7:4), masturbation by those who are married is not as simple a question as it is for singles. In general it is our spouse's "job" to deal with all of our sexual needs and desires. This does not mean masturbation is sin for a married man or woman, but it does somewhat limit it's proper use. We will consider several situations: masturbation because of sexual refusal, masturbation because of dissimilar sex drives, masturbation because of illness, masturbation because of separation, and mutual masturbation.

Sexual Refusal:

The apostle Paul tells those who are married that they need to have sex so as not to be tempted by Satan (1 Corinthians 7:5b). When a man or woman regularly or always refuses to have sex, it puts their spouse in a very bad place. In such a situation masturbation seems like an allowable, maybe even necessary, way for a man or woman to deal with the pressure of their sex drive and the temptation it can cause.
But since our spouse has a responsibility to us sexually, we need to be clear about the situation. The person who is being refused needs to make it very clear to their spouse that the lack of sex is a problem. Beyond that, if a married person is going to masturbate, their spouse has a right to know about it. Unless this information could result in violence or divorce, it seems unfair to take your sexuality into your own hands without letting the person who is supposed to be doing it know that you feel the need to masturbate.

Dissimilar Sex Drives:

A good many men, and some women, masturbate because they feel their strong sex drive is "unfair" to their spouse. Rather than "bothering them too much" they masturbate to deal with some or most of their sex drive. On the surface this may seem like a loving thing to do, but doesn't being responsible for our husband or wife's sexual wants and needs mean giving them what they desire even when we are not interested? Wouldn't it be better for a wife to manually stimulate her husband than for him to do it himself in the shower? Wouldn't it be better for a husband to use a vibrator on his wife than for her to do it herself when he is not home?
Often the "less interested" spouse either does not know the solo masturbation is occurring, or they have no idea how often it's being done. This means they have not even been given the opportunity to do anything about the sexual desire of their spouse. At the very least our spouse should get "first refusal" when we desire sex!
Putting aside the question of who should be meeting the need, what if the spouse knows about it, and neither husband nor wife has a problem with it? Regular solo masturbation seems like a bad idea, as it runs the risk of fantasies that may creep away from what is proper. Masturbating with your spouse in the room is a good way to reduce the chance of sinful fantasies, and it also keeps them aware of how much sex you desire. If one of you feels a need to masturbate, please thoroughly discuss this with your spouse.

Illness:

We're not talking about the 24 hour flu here - surely anyone can wait a day or two. But for longer illnesses masturbation is a good way for the healthy spouse to deal with the fact that their sex drive is still working. As suggested above, it is a good idea to discuss this with your spouse, and when possible do the masturbation with them in the room. It would be a good idea for a couple to discuss this when they are both well, so each knows what the other feels about it when the situation arises.
For long term or terminal illness the situation is more complex, but not really much different. In this situation it is very important for the couple to have an open and honest talk. The person who is ill may want to be a part of the masturbation, even if only by holding their spouse while it's done. Don't think you are doing your spouse a favor by secretly masturbating so they don't have to "deal with" your sex drive. There are stories of men and women who felt like less of a man or woman, or felt unloved, because their well spouse suddenly stopped approaching them for sex.

Busyness:

Sometimes we are just so busy we don't have time for sex. On occasion this may be avoidable, but as an ongoing situation it's very bad for a marriage. The man or woman who masturbates to deal with a sex drive they or their spouse are too busy to deal with is not helping, because they are taking the pressure off of a situation which needs to be changed.
Some busy men are particularly bad about ignoring sex until they suddenly feel they need to do it right now! Since their wife is rarely around, much less available when they feel this sudden need, they masturbate and then "go on with their life." Some women do this too, and for women it may be a cyclical thing following the changing hormones of their menstrual cycles.
Studies of sexual frequency in marriage often have a very sad situation buried in the statistics. There are more than a few couples where both are masturbating, and both say they want more sex. In this case the masturbation is a destructive thing because it is bleeding off the sex drive that should cause them to come together more often.

Separation:

When a couple must be separated for a few days or longer, masturbation is an excellent way of dealing with the sexual tension that can build up. This is something a couple needs to have a very open and honest talk about, so there are no secrets. Give your spouse permission to masturbate when you can't be there for them. Better yet, encourage it:

<LI type=disc>Like the man who went to bed the first night of his wife's women's retreat to find on his pillow a hand towel, a tube of lubricant, and a note that said "Think of me." <LI type=disc>Or the woman who finds a gift wrapped sex toy from her traveling husband. <LI type=disc>Use the phone or computer to join them for phone or cyber sex.
Send your spouse off with a sexy photo of yourself, an erotic story about the two of you, or a sexy pair of undies to remind them of you.

Mutual Masturbation:

There are some couples who greatly enjoy masturbating together. This seems to be the kind of thing you are either really into, or just don't get. Watching each other masturbate to orgasm is a great way to learn about our partners body, but is it okay as a regular sex act all by itself? There is nothing in scripture to indicate this would be wrong, but we feel it may be a matter of concern if it becomes too frequent a part of a couple's sex life. There is no scripture that says "thou shalt have intercourse", but both science and experience both show that intercourse is unlike any other sex act. Enjoy all that sex has to offer, but don't neglect having intercourse fairly often.


Since masturbation is not inherently sinful, there must be situations in marriage where it is allowed. There also seem to be some situations where it is the only wise choice for some individuals. But we can not ignore our spouse and just masturbate whenever we desire - it's their sexuality too, and they have a say in when and how it is used. If you engage in secret masturbation you have failed to be honest on several levels, and this could be harmful to your marriage and your sex life.
Also understand that when masturbation reduces your desire for your spouse, or your ability to be sexual when they want to be, then you have crossed the line and defrauded your spouse. We also need to understand that things change: changes in stress, busyness, relationship, can result in an increase in a persons sex drive. Also, women's sex drives often increases in their thirties and/or forties. What was right or necessary at one point in a marriage may no longer be either right or necessary Unless there is open communication about sexual wants and needs, and about any masturbation going on, you could be masturbating when your spouse would like to have more sex with you.





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Is Masturbation a Sin?
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The following article was written by Dale Kaufman, a married father of two boys and youth pastor of over 20 years. This article was originally written in response to a question from a mother of teenage boys, who wished to help her sons with the issue of masturbation. The article was subsequently published in a professional journal, where it caused some controversy. We are very thankful to Dale for letting us add this outstanding article here.

reality, it cannot be clearly said that the act of masturbation is in itself a sin ...


IS MASTURBATION SIN?

Masturbation is perhaps one of the most debated--yet rarely solved--subjects in the church. The views and opinions about masturbation, its effects, and consequences (especially spiritual) have been swirling through the church probably since it first began. This paper is an effort to add another voice to the mass of opinion. In reality, it cannot be clearly said that the act of masturbation is in itself a sin, for the Bible never uses the word, nor does it imply or hint about the act of masturbation. Obviously, the Bible does deal in some depth with sexual immorality, perversions, and the like, but masturbation is never spelled out as belonging to any particular category. So, since Scripture is silent about it, should masturbation be classified as a sin?

Or if not, are there ways in which masturbation may be used to the glory of God and the building of His Kingdom of souls?

The questions beg an in-depth answer. Throughout the history of the church, various voices have arisen, either decrying masturbation as self-abuse and onanism, or simply calling it something which may not be the best God has to offer, but is certainly not the worst either. Both viewpoints, I believe, are flawed. And it is in the wake of questions to which there seem to be no solid answers that teenagers, especially boys, have long been struggling. It is to the children who are struggling with this issue (and to the parents and other caring adults trying to help them) that this paper is addressed. If I can bring a fresh voice to the debate and cause serious believers to take an honest look at this issue and perhaps help a young person struggling with questions of their sexuality, then the effort will not have been in vain

Onan practiced as a form of birth control was not masturbation.


ONANISM? THE BIBLE AND MASTURBATION

Scholars have debated for years whether the sin of Onan as recorded in Genesis 38:8-10 was masturbation. It becomes clear from a careful reading of the text that what Onan practiced as a form of birth control was not masturbation but rather withdrawing himself from Tamar before orgasm. The reason Onan was put to death was for not fulfilling a solemn duty of the brother-in-law to provide children for the woman. This would later be laid down as a part of the Mosaic law (see Deut. 25:5-6).

There are no Biblical passages which specifically address the issue of masturbation, and so, as with other issues (such as food, drink, entertainment choices, etc.), God has allowed a latitude within certain boundaries. Within those boundaries, masturbation could (and I believe, should) be seen as a healthy way of relieving sexual tensions which build up in those who do not have the option of marital relations as a way of easing the physical need. For purposes of this paper, we will be focusing our attention on the use of masturbation as a God-given way for teenage boys to release the buildup of sexual tensions within their bodies, and as a help to controlling their thought life and honoring God with their minds and bodies. But it should also be noted that the principles about masturbation which are discussed here would also be appropriate to be applied to females as well as males.

TEENAGE BOYS: HORMONE FACTORIES

In a human male's lifespan, there are two times when the hormone testosterone is released by his body in large quantities. The first is prenatal, when a genetically determined testosterone release transforms the fetus into a boy. The other occurs roughly somewhere between the ages of 9 and 14. This testosterone release helps to transform the body of the boy into the body of a man. Because of the influence of the testosterone and other growth hormones, the boy experiences a growth spurt, broadening of the shoulders and other major muscular-skeletal changes, a deepening of the voice (which leads to the familiar teenage "cracking" of the voice), hair growth on the face and underarm areas, and maturing (in size and function) of the penis, testicles, and other sexual organs.

If boys are not adequately prepared puberty, the mind/body changes can be overwhelming and even frightening.

This testosterone "flood" is also largely responsible for the sudden interest in and discovery of a boy's sex drive. Not only is his body changing at a rapid pace, but also his mind is being drawn into areas that may have been previously unexplored or only hinted at in conversations with other boys. If they are not adequately prepared (which is a God-given responsibility of the parents and church to do-not the schools!), then the mind/body changes can be overwhelming and even frightening. For boys who have committed to follow Christ in their lives, this flood of emotions and thoughts and feelings can also carry with it a load of guilt and shame that they may perceive as coming from God-yet at the same time, since the sex drive is so strong and the physical tensions so great, they find their thoughts straying into areas that they know to be wrong, but which they cannot seem to stop thinking of. And a double burden can then be imposed when this Christian boy discovers the pleasures of masturbation and then feels guilty and ashamed for doing what he believes is a sin (since nobody ever told him otherwise), and yet which is something that he finds himself basically powerless to overcome.

I believe it is the responsibility of parents and the church to offer to these young men (and young women as well, whose sex drive can be just as strong) a sane and workable alternative to the question of masturbation-something other than a "Don't ask, don't tell" policy, and also something other than "just say no." We must help them see that what is happening to their bodies is designed by God and that what they are thinking and feeling and doing are acceptable to God within the boundaries He has set, and indeed, should be encouraged as a means to regulate and control themselves so that they can glorify God with their bodies.


THE BIBLICAL BOUNDARIES

What are the boundaries which the Word of God sets forth for something like masturbation? In what contexts is the act acceptable, and when does it "cross the line" into a sinful activity? These are important questions that need to be answered with straightforward honesty if we are to give freedom to our teens to explore the sexuality which God has gifted them with, while maintaining the standards of holiness which His Word commands.

The first "boundary" Scripture is found in 1 Corinthians 6:19-20. Speaking in the context of sexual immorality (although any practice which harms the body could be defined here), Paul says, "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body."

Since no Scripture condemns masturbation, it stands to reason that it is an act which has the potential to be honoring to God.

Since there is no Scripture condemning the act of masturbation as a sin, it stands to reason that it is an act which has the potential to be honoring to God and is in accord with the fact that the Holy Spirit lives in the believer. Solitary masturbation is not an act which harms the individual's body (and in fact, the release of sexual tension does promote the wellbeing of the body), nor does it involve the joining of one body and spirit to another as is the case with sexual intercourse. Through the releasing of sexual tensions (particularly in young men) it can act as a barrier to seeking release through immoral outlets such as pornography, prostitution, premarital sex, or homosexual activity. A part of honoring God with our bodies is doing whatever is necessary to keep our bodies under control-and in the area of sexuality, masturbation can be an effective way of doing so.

The second "boundary" Scripture is Philippians 4:8: "Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable-if anything is excellent or praiseworthy-think about such things."

In this Scripture we have a boundary that deals with the mind and thought life. One of the difficulties with masturbation in the minds of many people is that it is automatically assumed that sexual fantasies must be used in order to gain the amount of stimulation needed for orgasm to take place. While it is true that sexual fantasies CAN be used, there is nothing which suggests that they MUST be used. The choice is up to the individual as to what they think about during masturbation. The body is designed by God to respond to sexual stimulation, but it was never designed to respond exclusively to impure thoughts. God has placed within us a wide capacity for response to various stimuli. It is no more necessary to fantasize about the cheerleader next door during masturbation than it is to fantasize about eating a steak while dining at McDonalds! Nor is it necessary to view pornography while masturbating. The viewing of pornography is actually detrimental to the experience, since the person looking at it knows there is no way of ever fulfilling the fantasies that he is locked into while using pornography. And since pornography is clearly a violation of the commandment not to lust after a person, such activity introduces the element of sin into an experience that should have been used for the glory of God.

So what can be thought about during masturbation? That brings us to our final "boundary" Scripture, found in Colossians 3:17: "Whatever you do, whether in word or deed, do it all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him." And a companion Scripture is found in Colossians 3:1-2: "Since, then, you have been raised with Christ, set your hearts on things above, where Christ is seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things above, not on earthly things."

It is clear from Scripture that our thought life is to be one of purity and joy.

It is clear from Scripture that our thought life is to be one of purity and joy and one that is characterized by its focus on God. This is no pie-in-the-sky theology. Either the Bible is eminently practical in how its principles can be lived out or it is not. It is possible to do everything with a spirit and attitude of thanksgiving to God, regardless of the task at hand. A person can focus their heart on Jesus swinging a hammer at a construction site just as much as they can when entering the sanctuary of a church. There should be no difference between sacred and secular thought. Each thought should be given over to the control of Christ (2 Corinthians 10:5), and should be offered to God in a spirit of gratitude and joy. The only exception to this would be when the thought life has strayed out of its proper boundaries and has embraced sinful thoughts, such as the viewing of pornography or lusting after another person.

So, given the boundaries, is it possible to masturbate without straying into sinful thoughts? The answer is yes, for God, in designing the human body, has given it the ability to respond to physical stimuli without the necessity of embracing sinful thought patterns. And it is all right to enjoy the pleasurable feelings which accompany the activity. For example, when someone eats their favorite food, they are enjoying the pleasure of the feel and the taste of the food. Is it sinful to enjoy eating a chocolate bar? No. It only becomes a sin if the activity and the pleasure of eating become something which crowds out God, becoming an end to itself rather than being seen as a blessing from a loving God. At that point, any activity, whether eating, playing golf, watching a sunset, or masturbating, has been abused and the person has fallen into the sin of idolatry. Therefore, when a person masturbates, their body will respond to the pleasurable physical stimulation that it is being given--especially teenage boys, whose testosterone and other hormone levels are at an all-time high and whose physical need for sexual release is very great (in fact, they are quite capable of achieving orgasm without ever once thinking of having sex with the latest monthly centerfold!). And if the thought life is kept under control, the act becomes an experience of blessing from the Lord, rather than a shameful one. The sin does not come in enjoying the experience, but rather in abusing a gift that a loving and gracious God has given to His children.

But we're looking for something even more here. We are looking for a way to "redeem the experience," giving honor and glory to God for the gifts He has given us. One of those gifts is sexuality and the pleasure which God has made possible in our bodies. It therefore follows that the best way to masturbate is to focus the mind on God, giving thanks to Him for the pleasure which the person is feeling and for the gift of sexuality that He has given, as well as gratitude for the ability to gain a needed sexual release without the possibility of illicit sexual contact.

Let's take an example of Johnny, a 14-year-old Christian boy whose body is undergoing the changes of puberty ...

How would such a view of masturbation play out in real life? Let's take an example of Johnny, a 14-year-old boy whose body is undergoing the changes of puberty, and who is a Christian, trying to live his life right for God.

"Johnny is like most boys, intensely curious about his body and what is happening to it, and also about the thoughts he is beginning to have about girls he knows. He has heard all the guys' locker room talk, but everything is still pretty much a mystery to him. He's heard his youth pastor talk about staying pure until he is married, and he's committed to do that, even signing a purity pledge card a couple months before at a youth retreat. He's had sex ed in his public middle school, and at the time it seemed pretty gross and weird-not anything he'd want to get in to. But now, things are beginning to change. What once was unthinkable for him, he now finds himself dwelling on every day-many times during the day! A few months ago, he'd had his first wet dream, and while he'd heard about them, when it happened it was still pretty scary, especially because the dream he'd had was something he would be totally ashamed of admitting to anyone about! The dreams had come once a month or so ever since, but each time the dreams had gotten a little more bizarre, and it was getting hard to hide the soiled pajamas and bedding from his mom.

It was while he was alone in his room one day dwelling on the latest dream that he discovered he could bring himself to a climax by rubbing his penis with his hand. It felt very good, but immediately afterward he wondered if this was something God would approve of. He had heard the other boys talking about "jacking off," but it had not crossed his mind before to try it himself.

As the days went by, Johnny found that the tension and need for another release would grow until it became almost intolerable. Although it felt so good, he just knew that what he was doing was dirty and he should hide it from his parents. This was something they could never know about-and if they did find out, he was sure they wouldn't ever understand! Johnny hadn't ever really seen any dirty books or magazines-his dad would never allow the stuff in the house-but nor had his parents ever taken the time to explain in a positive Biblical light what his sexuality was and what should be the best way to handle the thoughts, emotions, and desires for release.

It was at a youth group meeting that Johnny first began to realize there might be an answer to his problem. The topic was relationships and sex, and when the group split up into same-sex smaller groups, the topic of masturbation came up. Although there was a lot of snickering and laughing going on, the youth pastor was able to get the point across to the boys that masturbation was not something that was sinful in itself, it only became a sin when it was used in the wrong way.

Johnny was amazed at the thought of how he could thank God for the pleasure he was experiencing, and how such a focus of keeping his eyes on Jesus and keeping his thought life under control.

On his way home from school a couple days later, Johnny got up the courage to stop by his youth pastor's office and ask him for some advice. After hearing about the boundary Scriptures and realizing that God wasn't going to condemn him for what he had done, Johnny began to come to a new understanding of how God wanted him to use even the act of masturbation to bring glory to Him. Johnny was amazed at the thought of how he could thank God for the pleasure he was experiencing, and how such a focus of keeping his eyes on Jesus and keeping his thought life under control--while at the same time enjoying the sensations and giving God the praise--would be a tremendous help to him, and would alleviate the false guilt he had been experiencing."

Such a view is generally not found in existent Christian literature, which tends either to condemn masturbation or to ignore it. Nor are a majority of parents or pastors comfortable discussing it. But I believe it is vital that we address this issue with our sons and our daughters. How much false guilt could we alleviate, how many dangerous sexual encounters would be foregone, how much distress and questioning of their sexuality and spirituality could we avoid, if we were simply open and honest with our children about how best to handle their emerging sexuality, and give them straightforward options and solutions to deal with their changing bodies and their changing minds? It is imperative that we let them know that masturbation can and should be used as a viable, God-honoring way to deal with the stresses of their newly acquired--yet unable to be fully explored-sexuality. With a sex-saturated society all around us, we as parents, youth pastors, and other caring adults, need to give our young men and women the ability to live Godly lives in the midst of a perverse generation. Masturbation, within the Biblical boundaries, helps give them that ability. It is time to stop standing on the sidelines, hoping that somehow our kids will get the right information and act on it in the right way. We must be proactive, getting over our own fears and uncomfortableness and initiating discussions with our sons and daughters, doing what is our God-given responsibility as parents and youth leaders to help teens navigate the stormy waters of their sexuality. May God help us all to do so, in the right way and in the right time!


Copyright © 2001 Dale Kaufman
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Masturbation: A Sin for Christians?


An answer to the oft-asked question of if masturbation is a sin for believers in Christ Jesus, and what the scriptures teach concerning it.



1Cor 4:6 (Wey) .. in order to teach you by our example what those words mean, which say, "Nothing beyond what is written!"...

The Scripture is strangely silent about this universal issue, while not shy about all sorts of other sexual situations and perversions... in great detail concerning sex with animals, etc. Yet the bible says nothing about masturbation. This is odd, don't you think?

Some, mistakenly, cite Onan in Gen 38:9 as suggesting that masturbation is a sin. In fact, "onanism" has become a synonym for masturbation. But this is obviously an error, and a rather daft one at that. We know what Onan did, for it is spelled out for us in lurid detail; and we know why it was a sin: he was maliciously using and cheating Tamar in way that was wrong. In any case, what Onan was doing was certainly not masturbating, and you have to be pretty dimwitted to miss this.

In fact, there is no place in scripture where masturbation is even mentioned, much less forbidden. This is a very odd situation since it is so common a human experience, and given that scripture speaks of other sexual sins (some fairly perverse and rare) without any shyness at all.

Since scripture does not forbid masturbation directly, neither should Christians in general. "Nothing beyond what is written" in terms of how we should help lead others to the Lord is the rule. But since you asked, or clicked, as the case may be, we will give you the best answer we can using what we do know from scripture as our guide. We should stick to emphasizing the things God has told us are important, and not be teaching things that the Lord has never expressed His opinion on.

To be sure, it is clear from Scripture that illicit sexual fantasies are forbidden, and this is a significant issue with masturbation.

Matt 5:28-29 (NIV) [Jesus:] "But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."

But what if no illicit fantasies are included in masturbation? Is the act then sinful? By scripture, there is nothing to indicate that it is. Specifically, if the act is done merely as a hedge against temptation and as the body requires then there is no need for the above sinful "crutches". This is hardly exciting, and a rote act of keeping the body in submission. It cannot be done often, as the body is not that demanding if left alone by a perverted imagination. On the other hand, if we attempt a pent-up self-sex life, then we find that the body needs help from the soul through illicit fantasies, and then sin is clearly being committed.

I hope this is clear. Were it not for our perverted imaginations and lustful sense of expectation, our bodies would not cause us much trouble. It is our minds and hearts that need "treatment". It is like rev-ing an engine near red-line at every traffic signal, and all the time it is running, and then complaining about the eventual engine failure. Sure the thing can rev, but not all the time. It was not made for that.

From Scripture, the line not to be crossed is the line of illicit imagination. And what a line! Minus the sinful fantasies, which are the fuel for most masturbation, all the fun and zest would be taken out of it. Thus, it would no longer be a topic of interest to you or anybody, any more than the act of going to the bathroom. It would be just "doing what was needed" to keep the body from exploding from within.

Sex was not created for this, you can be sure. That God allows masturbation to even work is a mystery (ever try tickling yourself?) and so it is reasonable to assume that it is a "gift" to keep ourselves from temptation.

Eph 5:3 (NIV) But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God's holy people.

Much like a person who is an Alcoholic must avoid any kind of drinking like the plague, where others can drink with moderation and without sin, the same principle applies here. So people might come to different conclusions concerning masturbation, and that is anticipated within our faith. Each man must live in holiness before the Lord in his/her own body, and this might mean different disciplines and personal leading in each case. What works for me or you... we should not impose on anybody else as a stumbling block.

Rom 14:12-13 (NIV) So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God. Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling-block or obstacle in your brother's way.

The important thing is that we live holy before Him, and this is a matter that we should take very seriously. I assume this is why you are interested in this question, because you want to please God by avoiding any kind of sin. And when it comes to sexual sin in the thought-life, in our culture this is an easy temptation to fall into. So care and caution are appropriate as we consider these things and make choices before the Lord.

1Th 4:2-8 (NIV) For you know what instructions we gave you by the authority of the Lord Jesus. It is God's will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God... For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.

Can you, in all honesty, masturbate without sinning against the clear commands of Christ? If yes, then we are never told that the act itself is impure or forbidden. But let us be honest and admit that it is not so easy to do if we are committed to avoid mental sexual sin.

In our society, where lust is in the air, how is it is possible to "learn to control our bodies in a way that is holy and honorable"? Well, the answer is that we can die. Really, spiritually. This is The Gospel (http://www.acts17-11.com/gospel.html) as we have received it.

John 8:32 (NIV) "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Here is the specific Scripture that set me free, when it finally dawned on me what it meant:

1 Peter 4:1-2 (NIV) Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God.

Think about the radical nature of the spiritual dynamic of what is being explained here. If you are really the recipient of the HOLY Spirit, then this means PAIN in a physical body that lives in this carnal world. If you get this right in your attitude, God says you will be "done with sin". Awesome, eh?

The problem is that we want relief, and sin is the way. But if we agree in advance that the way of the faith must inevitably involve suffering, then we are truly living the gospel and have transferred out of the power of evil and into God's will.

And masturbation, never forbidden by God, can be used as one of the ways that we can "learn to control our bodies"; not by inflaming the body with pornography or fantasies so that it can be done too often, but in using it to keep ourselves from dangerous, physical temptation when it can (rarely) be done without sinning in any way.

Commit yourself to a certain amount of pain, and commit yourself not to sin in thought, and I think you will find that masturbation cannot be done that often, but when it is needed it is a true blessing as a way to keep your body under control. We should not indulge our bodies, but we should "honor" them and learn to live in them properly in this sinful world. For singles, God has given the ability to masturbate, and has not forbidden it. For married couples who are apart and who are thinking of each other, the same applies. But God has most definitely forbidden sinful thoughts that so often accompany masturbation, and for this we all need to die to self and commit ourselves to the fact that living holy in this world will involve pain.

Along these lines, see the Bible Studies on Death to Self (http://www.acts17-11.com/death.html), The Cross (http://www.acts17-11.com/cross.html), and Conviction (http://www.acts17-11.com/conviction.html). Also, you might want to read through the Bible Study on Temptation (http://www.acts17-11.com/tempt.html) as well.

I pray that through what we do know, and with the help of the Holy Spirit, that you will be able to conduct yourself in purity and wisdom concerning this matter.

Ro 6:13 (NIV) Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness.

Luke 14:28 (NIV) "Suppose one of you wants to build a tower. Will he not first sit down and estimate the cost to see if he has enough money to complete it? For if he lays the foundation and is not able to finish it, everyone who sees it will ridicule him, saying, 'This fellow began to build and was not able to finish.'"

1 Peter 4:1-2 (Wey) Since, then, Christ suffered in the flesh, you also must arm yourselves with a determination to do the same--because he who has suffered in the flesh has done with sin--that in the future you may spend the rest of your earthly lives, governed not by human passions, but by the will of God.

I Totally Agree With Johnny's Angel. The Bible Speaks For And Against Many Things, But The Bible Also Says That The Holy Ghost Will Lead And Guide You And Teach You All Things. Like If I Put On A Short Mini Skirt, It Doens't Say In The Bible How Many Inches Your Dress Must Be Above Or Below Your Knees...but You Let Me Try And Step Out Of The House With That On And Don't You Know That The Spirit Of God Inside Of Me Will Say, "girl You Know That Skirt Is Too Short" So In Addition To Relying On God's Word, Also Rely On His Spirit That Dwells In You. I Know I Would Be Condemned For Masturbation, That's How I Know God Wouldn't Be Pleased.

I couldn't read all of that. But it seems like good information.

I am not here to debate the issue. But babieboo you know what you believe and God will judge you accordingly. Personally i was taught about the sin of self pleasuring, but when i itch, i automatically scratch and i consider that self pleasure also. So i'm kinda torn. Therefore, I don't promote it, but i don't shun it either.

~smooches boo~

Sorry Tonysbabydoll that was too much for me to read so I went straight to the source. Yes I had a long talk with God last night about this and in my case he's cool with it. When it comes right down to it, that's pretty much how it is, subject to interpretation and by personal choice. For those who do, GREAT, for those who don't, GREAT!

Patty

Who would've known the topic of jiggling would become so popular!

I still think that words hilarious...

Honestly I dont think God is there to make us feel guilty about pleasuring ourselves and I think he'd be more happy that we did it that way then any other way. :D If he's all powerful and mighty then he should know what's its like to be in our situation and he would be okay with it.;) I really really really wouldnt agree with the religion and would consider changing mine if someone had to tell me i couldnt do this or that. I only live once.... Im not bashing being Christian trust me, Im not tryin to offend anyone either so sorry if you took it the wrong way. The man I believe in (just like my man) excepts things and recognize that things do need to be done and in the end is always forgiveful.

Married or not, "jiggling" is what we have right now! And we can have it even when they come back home! I don't know about you guys, but my life is sometimes crap-filled. If I'm at home, and I want to feel good--I'm gonna feel good. God doesn't tell me who, what, when, or where. But spirituality sometimes helps me with the "how". :thumbsup:

Honestly I dont think God is there to make us feel guilty about pleasuring ourselves and I think he'd be more happy that we did it that way then any other way. :D If he's all powerful and mighty then he should know what's its like to be in our situation and he would be okay with it.;) I really really really wouldnt agree with the religion and would consider changing mine if someone had to tell me i couldnt do this or that. I only live once.... Im not bashing being Christian trust me, Im not tryin to offend anyone either so sorry if you took it the wrong way. The man I believe in (just like my man) excepts things and recognize that things do need to be done and in the end is always forgiveful.
I TOTALLY agree with you!!

Married or not, "jiggling" is what we have right now! And we can have it even when they come back home! I don't know about you guys, but my life is sometimes crap-filled. If I'm at home, and I want to feel good--I'm gonna feel good. God doesn't tell me who, what, when, or where. But spirituality sometimes helps me with the "how". :thumbsup:
I was thinking the exact same thing girl.. God would never tell me who, what, when, and where.. I make my own choices.

I don't believe this is a sin at all. It's time to embrace sexuality and stop hiding from it. Things should not be so taboo. If it makes us feel good and doesn't harm another how can it be bad?
Self acceptance, self love.

angel-of-peace :love:

I hope it's not a sin, I jiggle every night! Sheesh!

Okay I found a site online that explains some what about this... let me post it just so you guys can get a clear answer on what you were referring to. I used to pleasure myself a lot especially since my man was not home with me, but since I am a strong Christian now, I feel guilty when I am done, so therefore I dont do it. anyway, here is something to read!..

Lotts of Love
Bella


Freedom from Masturbation
Revision A, updated 09/21/2005
by Paul Cook
"Can a man scoop fire into his lap without his clothes being burned?" Proverbs 6:27 NIV
Masturbation is often that one topic that people (especially Christians) really don't like to talk about. It's not something that is just a male problem these days, as many women also secretly struggle with it as well. Our culture tells us that there is nothing wrong with masturbation, yet our conscience often tells us otherwise...
I've written this study in order to encourage people at the very least to refrain from masturbation. Perhaps more importantly, I've written it to help people find and remove the roots involved with a masturbation addiction. Once you have dealt with the roots, controlling/eliminating the behavior becomes much less of a challenge.
This study is intended as an addendum or follow-on to my Freedom Journey 1 (http://www.porn-free.org/freedom_journey.htm) study which addresses many of the foundational issues involved with recovering from sex addiction. If you haven't yet gone through Freedom Journey 1, I heartily encourage you to do so.
I remember as an adolescent how I struggled with shame and condemnation concerning this act over and over. Even so, the shame and condemnation did not empower me to get free. I continued to feed my habit with porn and promiscuity for the next 20 years, but eventually returned to God for help to finally jettison the habit. He responded and I found complete freedom. I discovered that life without masturbation was not only possible, but also enjoyable.
This study will help you:

Decide if masturbation should be a part of your life
Discover the root causes of masturbation addiction
Go through the steps of resolving the root causes
Maintain freedom from masturbationStudy outline:

Masturbation: Good or Bad? (http://www.porn-free.org/masturbation.htm)
Roots of Masturbation (http://www.porn-free.org/masturbation_roots.htm)
Masturbation Recovery (http://www.porn-free.org/masturbation_recovery.htm)
Wrap-up (http://www.porn-free.org/masturbation_wrapup.htm)Proceed on Study: Masturbation: Good or Bad? (http://www.porn-free.org/masturbation.htm)
**This course is available in a single document (PDF format). (Click Here (http://www.porn-free.org/online_courses.htm#course))

wow, that's quite the website. not to offend anyone, but my reaction is that the creator of pornfree.org is confusing some of his own sex addiction issues with the Almighty's.

haswtch~ Hey girl. I was not putting that up to offend anyone, or make anyone feel any different but I just happened to be online today and was searching for things for my husband because he asked me and I know it has a lot to do with Christianity and the Bible, but I just so happened to read this thread today and for some reason I had to post it.

TO EVERYONE PLEASE DONT THINK I WAS POSTING IT TO OFFEND ANYONE OR MAKE THEM FEEL ANY DIFFERENT WE ALL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS BUT I JUST SAW IT AND IT RELATED TO THIS TOPIC.

God Bless
Lotts of Love
Stephanie

I think that the website presents a certain viewpoint on the subject. There are many viewpoints on this very issue. I don't think that it is particularly offensive.

As with all of our Bible and religious study, we all have our own unique interpretations which drives our beliefs and actions. We all must decide for ourselves where we stand on an issue. God Bless.

-Ronnie

No, no, hon, I wasn't offended by it and it didn't make me feel any different. I was just stating my opinion of his opinion:)

Oh okay girl, I felt bad I didnt want to offend anyone I was just posting it because its funny how I just came across this post as I had the other page navigating. The Lord works in funny ways girlies...:rolleyes:

Nuro~ I know girl, we all have our different view points. I used to do this but as I got deeper into the Lord, I started to feel more and more guilty and I had to stop, because for some reason I felt I was doing wrong.

Lotts of Love Ladies
God Bless
Stephanie

Well God bless you and I hope he comes home soon!

Thanks girl, I put it all in Gods hands and I know he will be home soon

God Bless

Lotts of Love
Stephanie

No, I do not think it is a sin. I've been dealing with this issue alot lately. I used to look at porn alot i was even addicted to it, and to get away from that i started a course on this site about becoming masturbation/porn/cyber sex all that stuff..free...getting free from it all but as i went on. I realized pornography IS in fact a sin yes and it is for many reasons. but once i started "jiggling" without it i found that i only thought of my husband. and instead of having those guilt feelings and going to him and saying i'm so sorry i looked at porn. i just tell him i've been pornography free but he knows i do masturbate and he is ok with it. i have been praying about it, i've asked God to soften my heart so i can hear his words if it is wrong and not to let me try to act like it isn't a sin if it is.

It's not a sin to me. I think sex is supposed to be enjoyable..not just for reproduction- if you've never read the song of solomon i highly recommend it. my husband and i send scriptures back and forth and a few times we have used ones from that book. and i didn't feel dirty, it's love and love is ok to share with your husband/wife.

I also have to keep in mind that the bible was wrote long ago and not in english, things change and things mess up and some of the things in the bible are just what people think. like i have been researching Jesus being married to mary magdalene (whole nother story) but some stuff i think was left out and other things i think were added in.

The only things i know for sure is i am a christian and Jesus died for me and rose again and he is a forgiving God but not one to take advantage of. I've dealt with this alot and for a long time and i've come to the conclusion it is ok for me.

now it may not be ok for everyone. like alcoholics they drink but too much and it is bad for them..as for me i can drink and be just fine. I think it is that way for everyone..if you find yourself masturbating and thinking of others or looking at porn i'd personally re think that. but I do it and i think of my husband and i've prayed about it and i don't feel God being upset with me.

and i don't mean to get too personal here, but when i do it i think of my husband i tell him about and we both enjoy eachother. so not only is it making me happy but it makes him happy and vice versa and even when we lived together there was times he was done before me and sometimes i'd jiggle it or he would and we were ok with it! sorry yall lol, but i'm being serious. i don't see it as a sin, i don't feel bad for it..i've prayed about it and for me it is ok. maybe not for everyone.

God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow, and so is HIS word.~~~Brandi

Amen, that he is always the same as is his Word! Just because you justify it to make yourself feel better by saying you only think about your husband, does not make it okay.

God Bless

Ladies please refrain from passing judgment on others because you have a difference of opinion. The Bible, as well as other religious work,s are all open to interpretation; therefore my opinion holds no more validity than the next persons.

God Bless!

Sorry if I offended anyone, I didnt not mean to, maybe the way I wrote it sounds different then the way I meant it. God Bless you all

I was asked my opinion, so i put it in. and i also added that's how i feel and it may not be the same for you.

and as far as justifying it, i wasn't. those are just the reasons i don't think it is wrong.

and as far as God being the same..i never said he was different. as matter of fact i do believe God is the same and he's all i can have faith in....the bible i do believe can get things changed around- i've seen typos in it..and it wasn't originally in english so what coulda changed between the languages? (whole nother story but it offended me and i'd like to make it known i never said He changes.) I'm not gettin in a debate and i'm sorry i upset you two. I was just saying my reasons and what i personally thought. i'll be sure not to come back to this thread lol

I consider myself a Christian...but as we know, there are Christians of different levels...

People keep mentioning that you masturbate because your husbands are in prison and you cannot have sex with them... But isn't sex against God's rule book as well unless its for the intention of having children?

I apologize if I'm wrong...


I am not a bible thumping christian but I was thinking this as I read thru here so you are not alone. According to the bible, in my teachings, the only reason you have sex is to mulitply. I know if that is true I have sinned many many times.

Yeah, when I first saw the word "jiggle" I thought it meant like the excess skin or fat on your body wiggling and being all out of control. I don't think that's the right definition, cause if it is, then I'm sinning too much!!! LOL

i wold think so too to aaaa self plesure but i thought thay were talking about gaining weight also lol

I know this thread is a bit old but I wanted to throw my 2 cents in if I may. If you are not married and you masterbate I don't think it is the act of masterbation that could be the problem but the lust issue. You have to have some thoughts or stimuli for it right? If you are married and you aren't thinking about your husband the lust issue comes in as well. My husband and I ran into this issue ourselves before we got married. We got married when he was inside so we actually had a long talk about this.
Just my point of view.

I can't believe this thread has been revived! It cracks me up!

I'll always be a sinner.

I know what she means and I have the same question and have been searching for an answer myself. Yes she means self pleasure

Why not "jiggle" with your husband or wife.
Whatever "jiggle" is, I think the couple should be able to enjoy it together

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If you can't 'jiggle' then I would have gone INSANE while my husband was gone....LOL!

I have read this whole thread and it cracks me up... man alive if jiggling is a sim me and my hubby have sinned many a night lol ...

Love the new term though doesn't sound so clinical....

I dunno wat jiggle is either, but I can only imagine self pleasure. somebody mentioned it was a sin, but I don't think so. Ain't nothin wrong wit that.

Jiggling... man... lol... I'm sorry... just cant stop laughing because it makes so much sense... lol... :haha: :ha: :yes:

This whole issue will always remain one of mystery because of the simple fact that what you do to maintain your marriage is between God and yourself. And that's all there is... :thumbsup: :dance:

When I saw "jiggle" I thought of the fat on my arm...and in my opinion...it's a sin to wear tanktops when you have that "jiggle."

L M A O.

i've been SO feeling that way lately.

ok. my LONG answer (and please no one take offense). and it is just MY opinion...so please :)

i believe that masturbation according to the Bible is not directly a sin, but the thoughts leading up to masturbation may be and are usually sinful. i am not sure if phone sex is sinful, or if masturbation with your husband/wife is sinful...however, being that one sin often leads to another, them even being away and in prison and causing the predicament of "needing" to masturbate is the issue. if my husband were home i wouldn't masturbate. this is where one decision makes another decision comes into play, and where we have to allow our steps to be ordained for us, so that we do not lead down a path full of mistakes. God is a perfect God, and if we follow His plan for us perfectly, we will not sin. if my husband wasn't in prison in the first place, i wouldn't be masturbating, so if masturbation IS a sin, i wouldn't be sinning. anyway, that could go on and on into a neverending pit--just giving my basic overview and opinion on that.

for the most part however we are all human, and He understands our sinning nature. so masturbation, i cannot define the act itself as a sin, because i could not find anywhere in the Bible listing masturbation as a sin. however, the acts leading up to masturbation are often sinful and therefore we must be forgiven for them.

just my two cents, no one shoot me. i honestly do not know if masturbation is a sin. i would say NO masturbation is NOT a sin, but the acts that cause you to want to masturbate more than likely ARE a sin, and therefore we must be very careful.

I know that someone hasn't posted on here for a while, but i have to throw my two cents in also- GOD has given us love for our mate that we marry, sex to those who think it's just for having kids is unbelievable!! I didn't know there were some that still thought that way, sex is a very natural thing and it is not a sin, in fact my pastor this weekend just got done preaching about this same subject- does that mean he is a sinner b/c he has sex with his wife?- they are way past there baby making days!!!!
If you feel it is a sin to have sex with your partner besides to make babies, you may want to start praying some more to God.
To the op- If you are thinking of someone else then yes i would consider that a sin, but if you are thinking of your husband, the one God put in your life then no i don't think it's a sin.