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mom6868
10-18-2017, 05:28 PM
My son is at Crowley and tells how poorly run it is, but my main concern is all the drugs he says there are in there. He says his current cellmate is doing meth and keeping him up half the night. He's been in jail before, but never prison, so is that just the way it is everywhere? If so, why is it allowed to go on to that extent? Maybe I'm just naive. Would appreciate any insight anyone can give me.

nancyginnm
10-18-2017, 06:21 PM
My son is at Crowley and tells how poorly run it is, but my main concern is all the drugs he says there are in there. He says his current cellmate is doing meth and keeping him up half the night. He's been in jail before, but never prison, so is that just the way it is everywhere? If so, why is it allowed to go on to that extent? Maybe I'm just naive. Would appreciate any insight anyone can give me.

Crowley is a privately-run prison unlike the state-run prisons there are a lot more drugs and gang activity there. Don't get me wrong, there are those in state-run facilities as well but from what I hear the private prisons are much worse. My husband was in a private for 4 years and it was awful. Even the food was worse if you can believe that.

mom6868
10-18-2017, 06:30 PM
Crowley is a privately-run prison unlike the state-run prisons there are a lot more drugs and gang activity there. Don't get me wrong, there are those in state-run facilities as well but from what I hear the private prisons are much worse. My husband was in a private for 4 years and it was awful. Even the food was worse if you can believe that.


Thanks for the info! He's up for reconsideration in November. Hopefully he'll get moved to a better place.

nancyginnm
10-18-2017, 09:40 PM
Thanks for the info! He's up for reconsideration in November. Hopefully he'll get moved to a better place.

"Reconsideration"? For parole?

somom
10-18-2017, 10:58 PM
My son is at Crowley as well. He's only been there a month & doesn't tell me too much about things being run poorly. I wonder if he just doesn't say much because he doesn't want me to freak out, I don't know.

One terrible thing is that my visitation still hasn't been approved.

But my son's case manager has been very kind and helpful so far. Have you had reason to talk to your son's case manager? I've heard that sometimes you can make a difference by talking to them, getting to know them a bit.

mom6868
10-19-2017, 10:24 AM
"Reconsideration"? For parole?

Maybe I meant to say reclassification. Maybe moved to minimum security, which is where we thought he would go all along.

mom6868
10-19-2017, 10:27 AM
Yes, I have emailed with his case manager some. He seems pretty nice and helpful, but I think they're probably overworked like crazy. I'm from another state, and I also tried to get visitation and never did hear that it was approved. Luckily I didn't book a flight!

mom6868
10-19-2017, 10:36 AM
My son is at Crowley as well. He's only been there a month & doesn't tell me too much about things being run poorly. I wonder if he just doesn't say much because he doesn't want me to freak out, I don't know.

One terrible thing is that my visitation still hasn't been approved.

But my son's case manager has been very kind and helpful so far. Have you had reason to talk to your son's case manager? I've heard that sometimes you can make a difference by talking to them, getting to know them a bit.

Mainly he complains that they're really unorganized. He's on a medication, and sometimes mealtimes run an hour or two late or sometimes he doesn't get his medication til 1 or 2 am, especially when they were just on lockdown. He's told me about medical emergencies on his pod, and it takes them 20 or 30 minutes to get there to help the person.

mom6868
10-19-2017, 04:02 PM
"Reconsideration"? For parole?

I think I may be using the wrong Reply buttons. Still figuring this site out.

mom6868
10-19-2017, 07:24 PM
So my next question would be do people, the DOC, etc just not care about this, because I'm sure they realize it's going on. For all the things I imagined prison would be like, I never imagined there would be that kind of drug use and everybody either turning their eye to it or apparently involved in it. This isn't the dark ages, for God's sake.

nancyginnm
10-19-2017, 07:42 PM
So my next question would be do people, the DOC, etc just not care about this, because I'm sure they realize it's going on. For all the things I imagined prison would be like, I never imagined there would be that kind of drug use and everybody either turning their eye to it or apparently involved in it. This isn't the dark ages, for God's sake.

As time goes by, you will realize that doc does not care about a lot of things. Especially food health care and safety of the offenders.

mom6868
10-19-2017, 09:00 PM
As time goes by, you will realize that doc does not care about a lot of things. Especially food health care and safety of the offenders.

So is there a way to advocate for your loved ones health and safety if they need it?

nancyginnm
10-19-2017, 10:35 PM
So is there a way to advocate for your loved ones health and safety if they need it?

There's a couple advocate groups out there. One is Colorado CURE. They have monthly meetings as well as a Google group to keep everyone informed.

somom
10-21-2017, 09:52 AM
I asked my son last night if he sees a lot of drugs at Crowley & he just gave me an emphatic "yes" & wouldn't say any more. He also told me in his unit the gangs run different thing, like hair cuts & different services. He wouldn't say any more about it though. Understandably.

I haven't heard about my visitation either, but it says on their website that the inmate will be told when you're approved, not you so I just let my son know to call me immediately when he finds out so I can make plans.

mom6868
10-21-2017, 11:24 AM
I asked my son last night if he sees a lot of drugs at Crowley & he just gave me an emphatic "yes" & wouldn't say any more. He also told me in his unit the gangs run different thing, like hair cuts & different services. He wouldn't say any more about it though. Understandably.

I haven't heard about my visitation either, but it says on their website that the inmate will be told when you're approved, not you so I just let my son know to call me immediately when he finds out so I can make plans.


My son doesn't want to say anything specific on the phone either, but he tries to keep to himself he said so he doesn't owe anybody anything and they don't owe him anything. I never did hear anything about my visit approval. The weekend I was going passed and I still never heard anything. Your son may have to ask because they're not always good about letting them know anything either. I'm sure he'll figure out how things work when he's been there longer. I'll pray for your son too.

somom
10-23-2017, 04:03 PM
My son doesn't want to say anything specific on the phone either, but he tries to keep to himself he said so he doesn't owe anybody anything and they don't owe him anything. I never did hear anything about my visit approval. The weekend I was going passed and I still never heard anything. Your son may have to ask because they're not always good about letting them know anything either. I'm sure he'll figure out how things work when he's been there longer. I'll pray for your son too.


Actually I just got an email from my son's case manager today letting me know my visitation application was approved. One thing I did was call her a few weeks ago and brown nosed as much as I could. I did everything I could get get her 'on my side'. I read on their website that the only approval notification they give is to the inmate, but she took a few minutes to email me. I'm so relieved by that! Maybe you can try to establish a relationship with your son's case manager. My son told me he's heard she's one of the better ones there, though.

I also emailed visitation to see if they are going to adjust the visitation schedule for Christmas, since Christmas is on a Monday this year. They replied to me within a few hours & said they aren't going to adjust anything this year, but will in years when Christmas falls mid-week.

Oh, last thing about visitation, my son's case manager told me I should call right away and schedule a visit because they're usually full (at least on the weekends) a couple of weeks out. Even though I'm approved, I probably won't get to see my son this weekend. :/

I'll pray for your son as well - and for his case manager, COs, & fellow inmates. They all need it. Hang in there.

mom6868
10-23-2017, 07:33 PM
Actually I just got an email from my son's case manager today letting me know my visitation application was approved. One thing I did was call her a few weeks ago and brown nosed as much as I could. I did everything I could get get her 'on my side'. I read on their website that the only approval notification they give is to the inmate, but she took a few minutes to email me. I'm so relieved by that! Maybe you can try to establish a relationship with your son's case manager. My son told me he's heard she's one of the better ones there, though.

I also emailed visitation to see if they are going to adjust the visitation schedule for Christmas, since Christmas is on a Monday this year. They replied to me within a few hours & said they aren't going to adjust anything this year, but will in years when Christmas falls mid-week.

Oh, last thing about visitation, my son's case manager told me I should call right away and schedule a visit because they're usually full (at least on the weekends) a couple of weeks out. Even though I'm approved, I probably won't get to see my son this weekend. :/

I'll pray for your son as well - and for his case manager, COs, & fellow inmates. They all need it. Hang in there.

Thanks for the info! My son's case mgr has been pretty responsive and helpful a couple of times too. I don't know what happened with the visitation but it's too late now. I live out of state so no idea when i might visit. Take care!

Phoenix88
10-25-2017, 03:47 PM
My son is at Crowley and tells how poorly run it is, but my main concern is all the drugs he says there are in there. He says his current cellmate is doing meth and keeping him up half the night. He's been in jail before, but never prison, so is that just the way it is everywhere? If so, why is it allowed to go on to that extent? Maybe I'm just naive. Would appreciate any insight anyone can give me.

Yes there as easy to get in there as it is out here but no not everyone does that I think he can request to be moved just has to be for a good reason not really to rat on him but to ask to be moved because of conflict or something Im not too sure depending on how long hes been in he can also request to be put in to an Incentive pod if he has no write ups and has been a model imate he can put in for that.

nancyginnm
10-25-2017, 04:24 PM
Yes there as easy to get in there as it is out here but no not everyone does that I think he can request to be moved just has to be for a good reason not really to rat on him but to ask to be moved because of conflict or something Im not too sure depending on how long hes been in he can also request to be put in to an Incentive pod if he has no write ups and has been a model imate he can put in for that.

Unfortunately, not everyone is eligible for the incentive units. There is usually a waiting list to get in.

mom6868
10-25-2017, 06:16 PM
Unfortunately, not everyone is eligible for the incentive units. There is usually a waiting list to get in.

Blows my mind - the extent of the drugs. Is it that the DOC knows and doesn't care or what? You probably know the politics of the system better.

Romom
10-29-2017, 03:49 PM
Hi, I'm new here and my son is also at Crowely. I'm so happy i stumbled across this web site. I too am very concerned about my son. They were recently on lockdown and I was so worried to not hear from him. Now I haven't heard from him again in the last few days. It terrifies me to know that the are so many drugs there. Any recent info would be greatly appreciated.

mom6868
10-29-2017, 03:58 PM
Hi, I'm new here and my son is also at Crowely. I'm so happy i stumbled across this web site. I too am very concerned about my son. They were recently on lockdown and I was so worried to not hear from him. Now I haven't heard from him again in the last few days. It terrifies me to know that the are so many drugs there. Any recent info would be greatly appreciated.

Hi! I completely understand what you're going through. They haven't been on lockdown again that I know of, unless they do lockdown by pods or units sometimes. My son called this afternoon so he's not on lockdown. Is there money on an account so he can call? I'm sure you know about all that. I'm fairly new at this, but am happy to answer anything I can to help. I'll be praying for you and your son too.

Romom
10-29-2017, 04:24 PM
Thank you for your quick reply. Good to know he's not on lockdown. This week we put money on his tablet instead of the phone but I was hoping to get an email from him. They may be in the process of setting them up still. He tried to call from the tablet a few days ago but the reception was terrible. Thank you for the prayers. I will also say a prayer for you and your son as well.

Phoenix88
10-30-2017, 07:58 AM
Hi there, the tablets are not that great and to expensive for what they want to do is my opinion. The easiest way we have found to talk is to put money on his books and he puts money on the phone seems to be a little cheaper not much but the reception is way better. As far as the drug situation he just needs to stay to himself and resists the temptations in there, dont borrow anything or buy anything from anyone and he will be fine. My son got a tv to keep him occupied and away from the drama. Iím scared too even though I know he can take care of himself. It just so hard everyday but just stay positive this is not forever we will get through this nightmare. God Bless :witch:

somom
10-30-2017, 10:43 AM
Hi all, I got a message from my son last night at about 8pm saying they're on lock down again. He didn't say why. Last time they were on lock down they turned the tablets off, so I'm glad he got that message to me. I'll put an update here if/when I hear from him again.

It's definitely not a friendly place in there.

Last time they were on lock down I asked my son what would have made things nicer for him in his cell during lock down. He said having a coffee maker in the cell makes a HUGE difference because they can not only make coffee, but they can make rice or ramen noodles for snacks. So he got that. Also having a tv is nice because they often shut the tablets (including the music and games) off... Always having books from the library helps too.

Let's hope this lock down doesn't last as long.

Prayers for all of them, inmates and guards alike. I pray for my son's cellmate all the time, that he'll be calm and kind. So far he has been.

somom
10-30-2017, 10:57 AM
Hi, I'm new here and my son is also at Crowely. I'm so happy i stumbled across this web site. I too am very concerned about my son. They were recently on lockdown and I was so worried to not hear from him. Now I haven't heard from him again in the last few days. It terrifies me to know that the are so many drugs there. Any recent info would be greatly appreciated.


Hi Romom,
Welcome! I'm sorry you had to find us, but I'm glad you did. My son is at Crowley too and there are a few others here as well. Stick with us, it's good to know there are other worried mothers out there. My son has only been there for just over a month so I'm a little new to this too. We'll learn together.

mom6868
10-30-2017, 07:31 PM
Hi all, I got a message from my son last night at about 8pm saying they're on lock down again. He didn't say why. Last time they were on lock down they turned the tablets off, so I'm glad he got that message to me. I'll put an update here if/when I hear from him again.

It's definitely not a friendly place in there.

Last time they were on lock down I asked my son what would have made things nicer for him in his cell during lock down. He said having a coffee maker in the cell makes a HUGE difference because they can not only make coffee, but they can make rice or ramen noodles for snacks. So he got that. Also having a tv is nice because they often shut the tablets (including the music and games) off... Always having books from the library helps too.

Let's hope this lock down doesn't last as long.

Prayers for all of them, inmates and guards alike. I pray for my son's cellmate all the time, that he'll be calm and kind. So far he has been.

I just got on here to see what's going on because I haven't heard from my son today which is unusual. So apparently they are on lockdown. This site has been so helpful to me in coping and getting true information, so I appreciate all you moms! He actually doesn't mind lockdown so much because he has a tv and his cellmate can't get drugs on lockdown. Weird how things work sometimes. I hope they don't stay on too long because he has a meeting with his case manager Wednesday. Thanks for letting us know!

somom
10-31-2017, 11:01 AM
Mom6868, we don't have many support systems as mothers of convicts. I think we need to stick together as much as possible. I will make every effort to share support and information as often as I can here, and I've definitely received the same. I am eternally grateful for all of you here.

Romom
10-31-2017, 11:13 AM
Much love to all the moms here for sharing what little bits of information you have to this page. I know for me any tidbit of information is comforting. My son also got a few calls out yesterday from his tablet to say they were on lockdown. We're thinking they allowed the inmates access to their tablet so they could get their canteen order in. Hopefully this lockdown ends soon.

mom6868
10-31-2017, 12:10 PM
Thanks to all you moms. I'm also so glad we found each other! I haven't heard anything yet, but will post as soon as I do. I'm praying for all of you and your sons. Take care of yourself.

mom6868
11-01-2017, 12:51 PM
My son's fiancee just texted me and said it says online that visitation has been cancelled Thursday through Monday at Crowley. We're wondering if they'll be on lockdown that long. Anybody know anything at all?

somom
11-02-2017, 07:59 AM
Dang, I had been watching the DOC website & that didn't show up until the 31st. I can't imagine that it would mean anything different. :/ that's an 8 solid day lock down. Dang... 4 days was hard for my son last time...

Phoenix88
11-02-2017, 08:24 PM
Seriously they are still on lockdown ugh well God Bless our boys praying for patience and calmness. I cant imagine how it gets with them stuck in a cell knowing us girls get crazy the boys its like a lion in a cage :( well hoping all is wel and cant wait till this is over hang in there my friends they will get through this :grouphug: thank you for the update!

Romom
11-03-2017, 09:54 PM
Hi to all the other uses of this forum. I just want to say that I am so happy to have found this place. The people here are truly wonderful. I recently reached out to a couple of people here (you know who you are) and the responses that I got were truly comforting. It's good to know that this is a place where I can ask questions and not be judged. There are not a lot of people in my life that really sympathize with what I'm going through. So thank you to everyone here for sharing your information . My thoughts and prayers go out to you and your loved ones doing tome.

Phoenix88
11-04-2017, 09:34 AM
I agree Iím so Thankful for this thread there is not a lot of people I can go to outside of this forum and so happy to be able to tAlk to yíall here! I tried calling the facility but got nowhere I hope we here from our boys soon. God Bless you all stay strong! :grouphug:

mom6868
11-04-2017, 10:08 AM
I agree Iím so Thankful for this thread there is not a lot of people I can go to outside of this forum and so happy to be able to tAlk to yíall here! I tried calling the facility but got nowhere I hope we here from our boys soon. God Bless you all stay strong! :grouphug:

I've called there before, and they'll confirm that they're on lockdown but they don't know or won't say for how long. Hope you're all hanging in there OK. Through our prayers, I believe God's watching over our boys and comforting us through things like this forum. It's always good to have someone to talk to that knows what you're going through. And yes, you can't talk to just anyone about this. Take care everybody and keep in touch.

Phoenix88
11-06-2017, 02:52 PM
Just called and they are still on lockdown :(

Romom
11-06-2017, 03:26 PM
That's crazy long, I worry about their state of mind being locked down that long.

mom6868
11-06-2017, 03:40 PM
I worry about their state of mind too. I'm getting really stressed now. He's supposed to be up for reclassification on Nov 11th. I think if they happen to still be locked down I'm going to get in touch with his Case Mgr. I'm hoping and praying he can get out of this place.

Romom
11-06-2017, 04:03 PM
Good luck mom 6868, I'll say a prayer.

somom
11-06-2017, 05:28 PM
Last time the DOC website said visitation was cancelled through Monday, they got out of lock down Tuesday. That's kinda what I planned on happening this time. I kinda feel like it's a nice indicator for us out here to know when they might be let out because there isn't even visitation on Mondays, but they say lock down is through Monday... Maybe that's not accurate all the time, but it was last time. I can't think of another reason why they would say visitation is cancelled through Monday?

This is only my son's second lock down, he hasn't been there all that long. It's definitely unsettling.

There's a saying in NASCAR - 'Cautions bread cautions'... in a car race, when they have a caution, all the cars bunch up and drive slow & close together until whatever caused the caution is taken care of. This 'bunching up' causes more accidents, leading to more cautions... I just keep thinking that a lockdown this long may wind up causing more fighting (assuming that's what caused this lockdown too), and then more lockdowns... In our case 'Lockdowns bread lockdowns'... I hope this isn't the case.

Let's all hope we get calls from our boys tomorrow. Fingers crossed over here.

nancyginnm
11-06-2017, 06:43 PM
Last time the DOC website said visitation was cancelled through Monday, they got out of lock down Tuesday. That's kinda what I planned on happening this time. I kinda feel like it's a nice indicator for us out here to know when they might be let out because there isn't even visitation on Mondays, but they say lock down is through Monday... Maybe that's not accurate all the time, but it was last time. I can't think of another reason why they would say visitation is cancelled through Monday?

This is only my son's second lock down, he hasn't been there all that long. It's definitely unsettling.

There's a saying in NASCAR - 'Cautions bread cautions'... in a car race, when they have a caution, all the cars bunch up and drive slow & close together until whatever caused the caution is taken care of. This 'bunching up' causes more accidents, leading to more cautions... I just keep thinking that a lockdown this long may wind up causing more fighting (assuming that's what caused this lockdown too), and then more lockdowns... In our case 'Lockdowns bread lockdowns'... I hope this isn't the case.

Let's all hope we get calls from our boys tomorrow. Fingers crossed over here.

Crowley has visitation Thursday Friday Saturday Sunday and Monday of each week. What the facilities will usually do is see how it went through the week and then determine if there will be visitation the following week.

somom
11-06-2017, 10:33 PM
Oh wow I've been given some crazy misinformation (imagine that). Wish it was the first time. Their website has only Fri-Sun. Weird. Regardless, hoping for a call tomorrow.

mom6868
11-08-2017, 09:08 AM
I heard from my son last night finally! They unlocked the tablets so he called from that, although it kept cutting out and dropping the call. He thinks they're on lockdown due to violence and drugs, and thinks they may still be through this week. I figure if that's the case, he's safer on lockdown! Hope yours are doing well. I wanted to let you know what I heard at least. God bless!

Phoenix88
11-08-2017, 02:43 PM
Yay glad you got to talk to him! Mine called too he only had a few minutes but got to let me know they gave them a little break then back to lockdown but wanted to let me know hes doing fine *phew* I can rest easy know knowing that. God Bless y’all

somom
11-08-2017, 06:27 PM
So happy for you both! I had stopped checking ConnectNetwork because it just kept saying no new messages and it was depressing so I didn't see that my son sent me a message yesterday too! He didn't call, not sure why. I sent him a message back asking about that. He may not want to call with his cell mate right there, I'm not sure.

He said he's heard a lot of rumors, that they may be on lock down until the weekend, or until next Monday, he has no idea. I'm just glad he can at least send messages.

ROMOM, any word from your son?

somom
11-11-2017, 08:02 AM
Hey all, have any of you heard rumors of DOC coming in & taking over to any extent? My son said people there are talking about that because Crowley has let things get so bad. Just wondering if there is news anywhere about that? Could totally just be a rumor so I thought I'd ask if any of you have heard anything.

nancyginnm
11-11-2017, 08:32 AM
Hey all, have any of you heard rumors of DOC coming in & taking over to any extent? My son said people there are talking about that because Crowley has let things get so bad. Just wondering if there is news anywhere about that? Could totally just be a rumor so I thought I'd ask if any of you have heard anything.


Those rumors have been going around for years for both Crowley and Bent. I don't see it happening, but you never know.

mom6868
11-11-2017, 11:17 AM
I have not heard that. I wish they would, but haven't heard that.

Romom
11-11-2017, 12:11 PM
So happy for you both! I had stopped checking ConnectNetwork because it just kept saying no new messages and it was depressing so I didn't see that my son sent me a message yesterday too! He didn't call, not sure why. I sent him a message back asking about that. He may not want to call with his cell mate right there, I'm not sure.

He said he's heard a lot of rumors, that they may be on lock down until the weekend, or until next Monday, he has no idea. I'm just glad he can at least send messages.

ROMOM, any word from your son?

Yes Somom I have heard from him, thank you. Sorry I didn't get notifications that there were new posts. Thannk you all for sharing.

mom6868
11-11-2017, 08:06 PM
We haven't heard from my son again today. Have any of you heard from yours? Wonder if they're back on lockdown. NEVERMIND he called from his tablet and said they were coming off lockdown. again............

Romom
11-11-2017, 11:20 PM
We haven't heard from my son again today. Have any of you heard from yours? Wonder if they're back on lockdown. NEVERMIND he called from his tablet and said they were coming off lockdown. again............

Glad you heard from him. I think it was probably just a change of shift lockdown. I've talked to my son several times in the last couple days. The reception on the tablets is pretty bad and the lines for the regular phones are long. Although they are on a modified lockdown of sorts, they are still free to roam their pods.

mom6868
11-17-2017, 08:24 PM
My son's telling me rumor has it they're going back on lockdown on Monday. I think he said the east side's on lockdown and he's on the west and they're anticipating going on lockdown again. Somebody really needs to get that place under control.

Romom
11-17-2017, 10:31 PM
Thank you for the heads up. I haven't heard from my son since last night but he didn't mention it. I can not believe they are going on lockdown again. Hopefully it don't happen.

Phoenix88
11-18-2017, 09:23 AM
I heard from my son last night too he said the same thing all we can do is pray it will end soon.

mom6868
11-18-2017, 09:45 AM
I really hope the DOC takes measures to get this place under control. They're private and make money off these inmates while not running an acceptable facility. It sounds like they don't hire guards that are well qualified, don't take measures to control the gang and drug activity. My son takes a medication and sometimes he doesn't get it until 2:00 am. I realize it's prison and they're inmates, but they're not animals and this isn't the dark ages. It sounds like this stuff has been going on a long time at Crowley, and probably won't change much but if we, as family of the inmates aren't proactive they have no one to speak for them. Makes me so angry. The system is so broken all across the country. Let's hope they stay out of it in the future.

somom
11-19-2017, 07:28 PM
I just talked to my son who’s on the east side & is not on lockdown. He hasn’t heard anything about a lockdown starting. He did say he heard they’re letting the gang members out on Tuesday & they’re anticipating trouble then. We’ll see which prison rumors hold up, if any... this is really a crappy experience, how do people handle this for years on end?

mom6868
11-19-2017, 08:27 PM
I don't know how they handle it. I talked to my son today and he heard too that they're letting "them" out on the 28th, so apparently when he heard the east side that wasn't right. And maybe he's found out differently since he first said that. I've told him again and again how proud I am for how well he's handling this. I feel bad for somebody that's early 20's. That has to be even scarier. They're on my mind every day. My son was supposed to be reclassified on the 11th and that hasn't happened yet. We're hoping he'll go to a minimum security facility. Prayers for everyone!

Phoenix88
12-09-2017, 06:54 PM
Hi hope all is well, just wanted to say through this Holiday Season, its tough for me as Im sure it is with all of you. I want to be so happy and joyful but its like Im forcing the cheer some days. I know I need to stay strong, I got a pic of my son that he took and he looks so handsome, Im blessed to now have it every time I open my phone or look on my shelf where I put him, I’m glad to have him here with me as well as talk to him when he calls. I know this may be Gods plan for him and need to stay strong so Im sending this out to all of you who go through this as well, its so comforting to have you all to talk to and know God is taking care of our boys! God bless you all and your family have a Merrry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :XTree:

mom6868
12-09-2017, 07:33 PM
Good to hear from you! Things are going pretty well with my son lately so it's a little less worrisome. He has a cellmate now that he gets along with pretty well which helps. We have also talked about the fact that he thinks it had to come to this for him to decide to change his life. We are strong believers of God's plan too. The holidays are harder, but I try to keep it all in perspective. It's been a year now since the incident that put him where he is and he's come so far since then. I'm hoping they're paying more attention to keeping things under control at Crowley. Saying a prayer for you and your son, Phoenix. God bless you both.

Phoenix88
12-10-2017, 12:21 PM
Good to hear from you! Things are going pretty well with my son lately so it's a little less worrisome. He has a cellmate now that he gets along with pretty well which helps. We have also talked about the fact that he thinks it had to come to this for him to decide to change his life. We are strong believers of God's plan too. The holidays are harder, but I try to keep it all in perspective. It's been a year now since the incident that put him where he is and he's come so far since then. I'm hoping they're paying more attention to keeping things under control at Crowley. Saying a prayer for you and your son, Phoenix. God bless you both.

Thank You for the prayers :) he is doing well and has a great friend in there too, I just miss him so much I can only visit him once a year because I’m in another state that is whats so hard :( If we still lived there I would visit every week he would get tired of me lol . I am so glad your son is doing better its nice when they find someone that are shooting for the same goals it makes it so much easier. My son said the same thing about having to come to this to change his life, sometimes they need to reach that point in their life to open a reality check and know they need to move forward in their life to be successful and having friends with the same goal is a blessing God has put in front of them to help ease their journey. I hope they keep things under control In that facility as well man it gets crazy in there. Saying a prayer for you and your son to that he continues to be strong and for the encouragement you give him. God Bless you both :wreath:

somom
12-13-2017, 08:48 PM
GREAT NEWS!! I got visits approved for this weekend AND next week!! I have never been able to visit my son yet because every time I get a visit scheduled something goes wrong. I’m hoping like crazy it works out this time!

Those of you who have visited Crowley before, can you provide any advice? Best time to show up, how long I can stay? Do they have board games etc? I’m so nervous! Friday’s the day.

somom
12-13-2017, 08:55 PM
Hi hope all is well, just wanted to say through this Holiday Season, its tough for me as Im sure it is with all of you. I want to be so happy and joyful but its like Im forcing the cheer some days. I know I need to stay strong, I got a pic of my son that he took and he looks so handsome, Im blessed to now have it every time I open my phone or look on my shelf where I put him, Iím glad to have him here with me as well as talk to him when he calls. I know this may be Gods plan for him and need to stay strong so Im sending this out to all of you who go through this as well, its so comforting to have you all to talk to and know God is taking care of our boys! God bless you all and your family have a Merrry Christmas and a Happy New Year! :XTree:

Thanks for the Christmas wishes, Phoenix! Itís definitely not the way I ever wanted to spend the holidays, wishing my son were here instead of there. Feeling terrible for what heíll face in there instead of our warm beautiful celebrations out here. Ugg... I donít know how not to agonize. I guess we can all feel better knowing our sons have our support & Love & surely they feel it.
Have the merriest Christmas you can.

JDM001
12-14-2017, 09:01 AM
GREAT NEWS!! I got visits approved for this weekend AND next week!! I have never been able to visit my son yet because every time I get a visit scheduled something goes wrong. Iím hoping like crazy it works out this time!

Those of you who have visited Crowley before, can you provide any advice? Best time to show up, how long I can stay? Do they have board games etc? Iím so nervous! Fridayís the day.

I know how exciting visitation approval is! I also know- I wish someone had explained the process to me before I went the first time. They start processing visitors at 8:15AM. Visitation is from 8:30 - 3:30PM. You may stay the entire time. Make sure you read the dress code rules posted on the Crowley website. If you are not appropriately attired, you will be denied. You are not allowed to take anything in with you. Leave everything -cell phone included - in the car. Take only your ID and 5 dollar bills. There are vending machines in the visitation area. You purchase items with a white card that you may obtain in the vestibule. The machine for the white cards ONLY takes 5 dollar bills! So bring those with you as you can't get change there. Items for purchase are expensive. Drinks are $2 and up. The real food items vary. Think $5 per item and you will be fine. When you arrive at the facility, there is first a double locked gate entry. There is a call box. Push the button and they will ask why you are there - "visitation" is all you need to say:) Then you walk into the vestibule where the white card machine is located. The lobby is next. Once in the lobby, there is a counter to the right. There is a visitation form there you need to fill out. You will need to provide the make, model, color and tag information for the vehicle in which you arrived, the inmate's DOC#, as well as your ID information. Take that form and your ID to the window. They will keep your ID and give you a lock for a locker. There is a sign in sheet at the window to fill in. Put your things in the locker. Make sure you do not have anything on your person except the white card, if you choose to get one. No chewing gum even in your mouth;) Oh yeah...go to the bathroom! Currently you have to go out to the lobby to use the facilities, so that will buy you a few hours. Next you go through the metal detector. Take your shoes off, place them on the conveyor and walk through. You will then be frisked by a CO. They will ask to see the palms of your hands, the inside of your mouth, ask you to pull your bra away from the center of your body, you will then turn around, put your arms out and they will frisk you, then you show them the bottoms of your feet and you are done. Put your shoes on and go to the door. There is a call button to push. After you push it, you will hear the click when the door is unlocked. Step through and repeat for the second door. You are now in! Proceed to the stand and check in with the CO's. They will assign you to a table. The tables are numbered. You must sit across from the person you are visiting. He sits in the maroon chair. It's also a good idea to buy your food early as they do sell out of many items quickly. Enjoy your visit! Once the visit is over, the lockers will be unlocked. Take your lock to the window and retrieve your ID. I recommend taking a visitation form with you when you leave. That way you can fill it out prior to the next visit, make copies, etc. I hope you find this information helpful.

JDM001
12-14-2017, 09:04 AM
Sorry, forgot to say - yes they have board games:)

somom
12-14-2017, 05:32 PM
Thank you, thank you JDM001! Sooo helpful! Through this nightmare there have been a few shining stars like you & the others on this board. I greatly appreciate the kindness.

Someone told me when he was at DRDC that sometimes they fill up & the first person in winds up having to leave early so those that come later (after the room is full) can still have a visit. Is that the case here? If so, I may go in a little later so I’m not the first one in & the one who has to leave. I never did get to see him there, one issue after another so I’m hoping like crazy that nothing goes wrong before tomorrow.

Hoping they have a peaceful night - no lockdowns!!

JDM001
12-14-2017, 07:54 PM
You will be allowed to stay for the entire visitation time. They only schedule 45 tables since they implemented the 5 day visitation schedule. There is no first come, first out any longer at Crowley. You do need to arrive by 9:30 in order to get in prior to count or wait until 11. The CDOC web site states the visitation policy for Crowley. You should read it. The information on the Core Civic page has not been updated, BUT that is where you will find the dress code policy. Have a great visit :)

somom
12-14-2017, 10:27 PM
Thanks again! I’ve read it but lost trust in what I see because there have been so many bumps in the road. I haven’t seen my son for 6 months in part because of all the misinformation. I’m sure this visit will be great. :)

Romom
12-30-2017, 11:32 AM
Hi all, just wanted to take the time to wish you all a Happy New Year! I pray that each and every one of you and your loved ones have a blessed 2018.

CDOCoffender
01-10-2018, 01:37 PM
Crowley was the last facility I was in before being paroled and it is very true that the place sucks but I can also tell you that it can be worse. Tell your loves ones to stay as far away from the gangs as they can and NEVER owe anyone for anything. Keep to yourself and dont ruffle any feathers and you will be good. The case managers suck, trying to talk to one is like trying to win the lottery and even after you corner them somewhere having them actually do what you needed them to do is hit or miss.
I made the mistake of telling a DOC auditor the truth about my situation and as soon as she walked out of the unit I was called into the sergeants office where I was told that she could help me but would make every effort possible to make sure that no one in that facility did anything to help me with my situation because I have a big mouth!

Make sure that your loved ones are doing everything they can to get back out of prison! I know it sounds crazy but there are a lot of people who don't apply for Community Corrections and a lot of inmates will tell them not to do it because its a "set up". While I do agree that the program is built to work against you ITS FREEDOM!!! You get more earned time and the worst thing that can happen is they send you back to prison, APPLY!!!!

You should also do whatever you can to make parole, I am on parole now and its a different world, its not as hard as one would think. In Colorado once you make parole your prison sentence is DONE and there is nothing that they can ever do to take that away from you. Of course if you mess up parole they can send you to prison to finish the parole portion of your sentence however Colorado has made it extremely hard for parole officers to do that. I don't have trouble on parole, dont cause them work and they will leave you alone. It never seems like they are trying to find something that I am doing wrong.

somom
01-12-2018, 01:23 AM
Crowley was the last facility I was in before being paroled and it is very true that the place sucks but I can also tell you that it can be worse. Tell your loves ones to stay as far away from the gangs as they can and NEVER owe anyone for anything. Keep to yourself and dont ruffle any feathers and you will be good. The case managers suck, trying to talk to one is like trying to win the lottery and even after you corner them somewhere having them actually do what you needed them to do is hit or miss.
I made the mistake of telling a DOC auditor the truth about my situation and as soon as she walked out of the unit I was called into the sergeants office where I was told that she could help me but would make every effort possible to make sure that no one in that facility did anything to help me with my situation because I have a big mouth!

Make sure that your loved ones are doing everything they can to get back out of prison! I know it sounds crazy but there are a lot of people who don't apply for Community Corrections and a lot of inmates will tell them not to do it because its a "set up". While I do agree that the program is built to work against you ITS FREEDOM!!! You get more earned time and the worst thing that can happen is they send you back to prison, APPLY!!!!

You should also do whatever you can to make parole, I am on parole now and its a different world, its not as hard as one would think. In Colorado once you make parole your prison sentence is DONE and there is nothing that they can ever do to take that away from you. Of course if you mess up parole they can send you to prison to finish the parole portion of your sentence however Colorado has made it extremely hard for parole officers to do that. I don't have trouble on parole, dont cause them work and they will leave you alone. It never seems like they are trying to find something that I am doing wrong.

Great advice, CDOCoffender. My son applied for ComCor & decided not to bother working towards anything else in Crowley (incentive unit, education, etc) because he was counting on ComCor. He was denied & pretty let down but is now applying again in a different area. Hoping he works toward a backup plan too this time.

nancyginnm
01-12-2018, 08:31 AM
Great advice, CDOCoffender. My son applied for ComCor & decided not to bother working towards anything else in Crowley (incentive unit, education, etc) because he was counting on ComCor. He was denied & pretty let down but is now applying again in a different area. Hoping he works toward a backup plan too this time.

That could be one of the reasons he was denied. For both comcorr and parole, they want to see progress from the offender.

CDOCoffender
01-12-2018, 12:20 PM
Great advice, CDOCoffender. My son applied for ComCor & decided not to bother working towards anything else in Crowley (incentive unit, education, etc) because he was counting on ComCor. He was denied & pretty let down but is now applying again in a different area. Hoping he works toward a backup plan too this time.

I hope that he is accepted to the new area but even if he is not be sure to tell him to talk to his case manager and figure out what he will need to do to reapply again in 6 months. Just because comcor denied you once does not mean that they will not take you the next time. I was denied one time and accepted the next time I applied to that same facility. Some times Comcor just wants to see a little bit more time in custody just like parole so what he will need to do is work with his case manager and they will set a goal for him to complete some kind of program and after he has completed that program and let 6 months go by he will be able to apply again.

somom
01-16-2018, 01:45 AM
We’re hoping he’ll be re-evaluated in Feb/March & maybe go to a minimum security. They told him in DRDC that they would do that. He hasn’t gotten in any trouble, does his job & stays away from the gangs so I’m hoping that happens. Not holding my breath, but hoping.

CDOCoffender
01-16-2018, 02:49 AM
Weíre hoping heíll be re-evaluated in Feb/March & maybe go to a minimum security. They told him in DRDC that they would do that. He hasnít gotten in any trouble, does his job & stays away from the gangs so Iím hoping that happens. Not holding my breath, but hoping.

The classification system is based upon how many points you have. I have a copy of my last classification here somewhere, tomorrow Ill try to find it and ill post all of the information from it so you can see where he can improve his classification and drop some points. Half of your points come from things that cannot be changed by doing good and working hard! Things like your age, your crime, and your social history.

I can tell you that you should not get your hopes up that your son will go from Crowley to a minimum because that will not happen. You cannot leave Crowley for a minimum camp, first he will be classified into an MR which will be a state facility then from there he can work his way towards a camp however even when his points hit a minimum status the wait list is long and most people going into a minimum have negative points. The really shitty thing about being in a private prison is that a lot of times you will end up at CMRC (Cheyenne Mountain Re-entry Center) which is about the worst facility in the entire system. It is constant fighting and the program sucks. They take away all of your comforts including appliances and canteen. In every meeting I had with my case manager I made sure that she was very clear that I did not want to go there and tried to make her understand that I would not comply if sent there so she would be hurting my chance to go home to my kids. Luckily I never ended up in that hell.

I will try to get a copy of the classification up as soon as I can tomorrow so that you can take a look at it. Your son should have a copy of his but if he doesn't he can send a kite to his case manager requesting a copy so that he can see where he will end up with points when he is re-classed in March.

CDOCoffender
01-16-2018, 03:18 AM
So I found the Colorado State DOC Classification for you, here it is

History of Institutional Violence (This includes fights at a county jail)

None - 0 points
No injury - 3 points
Injury or weapons involved - 10 points

Severity of Current Conviction

Low - 1
Low Moderate - 2
Moderate - 3
High - 4
Highest - 5

Escape History

None - 0
Escape/attempted/abscond resulting in administrative action - 3
" " from level 2 or below facility - 4
" " from level 3 or above facility - 6
Escape or attempt with violence - 10

------------ END PART A , if 14 or above CLOSED CUSTODY ----------------
If Part A is under 14 continue to score Part B

Type of most serious disciplinary conviction

None - (-1)
Class 2b - +3
Class 2a - +5
Class 1 - +7

Frequency of Disciplinary Convictions

None - (-1)
One Report - 0
Two Reports - +1
Three Reports - +3
Four or More - +5

Program Participation

Non-compliance with recommended programs - 0
On waitlist or participating with programming - (-1)
No recommended programs or completed program - (-2)

Work Evaluations

Maintained Satisfactory Employment - (-2)
Unassigned or seeking employment - 0
Unsatisfactory termination or not working - +2

Current Age

27 or Younger - +2
28-37 - 0
38-60 - (-1)
61 + - (-2)

******* END PART B ********

Add up all points and subtract where you can.

2 or Less - Minimum
3-12 - MR Minimum Restrictive
13-14 - Medium
15+ Closed Custody

************************************************** ****

I hope this helps people understand how the classification system in Colorado works. A case manager can override a facility and in most cases they will override a closed classification to a medium facility if there is no violence in an offenders background. Let me know if you have any more questions!

somom
01-16-2018, 04:48 PM
So based on that I think he should be at 0 or 1. He has a potential parole date in 18 months too, I thought that would make a difference but maybe not. I don't know what an MR is? I've heard horrible things about CMRC as well, but I've also heard horrible things about Crowley and he's been ok there... I don't know. :/ The whole thing sucks.

Thanks for digging that up, that's a big help. :)

CDOCoffender
01-16-2018, 05:19 PM
So based on that I think he should be at 0 or 1. He has a potential parole date in 18 months too, I thought that would make a difference but maybe not. I don't know what an MR is? I've heard horrible things about CMRC as well, but I've also heard horrible things about Crowley and he's been ok there... I don't know. :/ The whole thing sucks.

Thanks for digging that up, that's a big help. :)

An MR is Minimum Restrictive and there are a lot of those facilities. If your son isn't scheduled to see parole for another 18 months and his points are going to be low something that I would recommend that he look into is the SWIFT firefighting program. There is a lot of goodtime associated with it and it is a great program to give him skills for the future. The SWIFT team is trained wildland firefighters who go out and fight wildfires during the summer months. This program pays really good state pay and also looks really good to parole. You son will be a trained firefighter who will live with the other firefighters while on duty and will be treated as such. If the fire they are working is not within driving distance of the prison they will stay in the camp with the other firefighters working that incident so it is a good option to give your mind a break and kind of forget that you are a prisoner while doing something really good for your community. If i'm not mistaken they give you one day off of your sentence for each day that you are actively working on a fire. That is in addition to your other regular earned time so that would give you more good time than time you actually serve in prison each month.

Just an idea, tell him to look into it!

somom
01-16-2018, 05:50 PM
Oh I see that on the bottom of the classification info now, sorry about that. So they must have used a completely different classification system in DRDC to put him in Crowley in the first place. He had never been in the system before but had been in County for 9 weeks before sentencing so there was that history of good behavior. But somehow he wound up with enough points to end up in medium.

Anyway, I'm going to send this to him and ask him if he has this info and ask him about the firefighter program. He said he might be interested in the woodworking or electronics, but the wait lists discourage him a lot. I just need to convince him that being on a wait list is better than not. Meanwhile he's working as a porter, at least that's something.

Thanks for being so helpful.

CDOCoffender
01-16-2018, 06:21 PM
Oh I see that on the bottom of the classification info now, sorry about that. So they must have used a completely different classification system in DRDC to put him in Crowley in the first place. He had never been in the system before but had been in County for 9 weeks before sentencing so there was that history of good behavior. But somehow he wound up with enough points to end up in medium.

Anyway, I'm going to send this to him and ask him if he has this info and ask him about the firefighter program. He said he might be interested in the woodworking or electronics, but the wait lists discourage him a lot. I just need to convince him that being on a wait list is better than not. Meanwhile he's working as a porter, at least that's something.

Thanks for being so helpful.

The point chart that you see here is the exact same one that they used in DRDC, it does not change it is a State standard. He can request a copy of his classification to see why he was pointed out the way he was for himself. Without that you cannot really know how the re-class will look because a lot of the points on top won't change.

I can tell you that getting into the programs at Crowley is less about the waitlist and more about who you know. It would be smart for him to find someone in one of the programs that he wants to get into and have them recommend him to the person who runs the program. The waitlist is kind of a joke because most people get in using the method that I mentioned, his case manager or one of the CC's could also send an email or make a call for him but the reality is that he will need to be proactive and take action on his own to get into the job that he wants. He can also go over to the woodshop during the morning movement and talk to the Sergent who runs the program and let him know about any kind of background he has doing that kind of job. I don't know how long he has been there but during the summer they have a really big greenhouse and that is a nice job to have. You have to enroll in the horticulture class to be able to do it but when you are in that program you are able to eat a lot of fresh food and of course he will figure out how to take it back to the cell with him! I had a few friends who worked out there so I ate very well during the summer!

somom
01-24-2018, 03:09 PM
Hey all,

My son just called me and said they've been on lock down since Saturday but they've still had access to their tablets. (Because of this, maybe you all knew about this lock down before me...?) He's heard rumors of why, but said he really has no idea why. They locked down for count on Saturday, then just haven't let them out. He told me they're 'trying to' get them off lockdown by Thursday (tomorrow) but he doesn't know if that's going to happen. They let them out for only an hour today. I wondered why I hadn't heard from him (but thankfully didn't panic this time)! I do see on the DOC website that visitation was only cancelled for Sunday and Monday, hoping they'll be good for the end of the week.

Anyone else heard anything?

Romom
01-24-2018, 03:20 PM
Hi Somom,
From what I understand it's a scheduled shakedown. I've been communicating with my son from his tablet but it's very choppy but I think this is what he was trying to say. Hope this helps and that you are doing well.:)