I wish I had the answers! Another mother tells me she's lossing her son to drugs. They tell me because they know I know of every availble program in the area thru my own son. I give them my list of resources, pray for them, tell them it's not their fault, advise them to get to help for themselves as well. It's so unfair. I wish I could tell them it will all be okay. I'm not even sure my own son will stay off the drugs when he get's out but that's why he's there. 16 tried as an Adult, no junior or senior year, no senior skip day, no prom, no graduation. Things you never get to go back and do. But hey I know where he is a night. I know he's not using. I know he see's life different now. And I pray he'll be okay and get it together when he get's out. I pray for everyone going thru this. Strenght, Peace & Love! cheryl

It's a terribly hard road to travel isn't it? My boyfriend is in prison because of heroin, and as much as I hate that, at least I know where he is, and what he is NOT doing. The hardest part of all of this is not the fact that he is in prison, it is the fact that he is going to get out. I hope to God that he stays clean. Drugs are a horrible thing. They destroy jobs, lives, families, everything in their path. I am not even an addict but I allowed drugs to consume my life because of my boyfriend. It's heartbreaking.

I know what you mean Cheryl and Jeni, My sons are far from being out and I'm already worried about them doing drugs again as they seem to forget what got them in prison in the first place.

the amount of people lost to drugs is horrendous. That is where the real war is. My son has been using heroin since age 15 and he is now 23, in prison for robbing someone. But he needed the money for his drug. It is so hard to remember that it is not your fault, I know I struggle with that all the time. God Bless All of you

I would say that the main reason my Partner is in prison is because of drug use. All his mess ups had drugs in the background...

He has done the substance abuse program and he says that he will stay off but how do you know and how do you prevent it?

This is such a scary thing...

It is such a serious thing for sure. My son has been in all kinds of rehabs, in patient and out. He was in jail from Feb thru Aug of this year, came out and was using in a matter of 3 days. He was out for 2 weeks and then went right back in for another charge plus failure to go to probation office. I asked him the other day on the phone if he is learning his lesson this time and he just said "I can not promise anything anymore because I say I am going to stay clean and then I use." He basically has no idea. He says he loves heroin and does not want to stop when he comes out. I am sure if he can get it at prison, he will. I just don't know what to think anymore. I feel safe when he is confined in jail, but miss him so much. You know the routine. They are all alike, just different name.

Nancy,

There are programs on the outside... Would he submit to a program? I plan to talk to my Partner about this closer to his release. Even AA would be better than nothing.

I am also scared of what will happen when my partner comes home. He promises me that he won't ever use again- but I've heard all of this before... and I know how hard it is to stay clean. I know for myself how it is... when you least expect it, you think about it- and if you let this thought dwell inside of you, it will take over.
I have four children to live for- this is my most important reason for succeeding so far. Another reason is Ernie- because of him I have learned to hate drugs- because they are destroying not just his life- it's our life and the well- being of our kids.
I wish our loved ones would realize what a high it is to have money in your pocket, being confronted by dealers and addicts each and evry day and to still say no!

As a recovering addict myself I can tell you nobody changes unless they want to and there has to be a break in the cycle. That break can be jail, the effect the addiction has on another person, rehab, or anything that will open the addict's eyes. The person I am when I use dope is not the person I am today. The person I am today is not the person I was last year. A year ago I would lie, steal, and just about sell my soul for the next fix. I look back and can't believe that was me. I have a lot of regrets and a lot of bridges I have burned. In the end, if I can learn from the disease of addiction and maybe be a better, understanding person then it will be worth it. Maybe.

Monica, I could just give you a big hug! It always makes me super- happy to see someone else has succeeded!

We have decided to go to meetings together when he gets out- this will also help me, because I really don't know how to handle his addiction- the fear of him relapsing.

And I recommend all of you to go- even if you don't have a drug problem... your loved one does and you need this help and support to cope with it.

Meeting, meetings, meetings! Just about the only thing that can get me away from PTO! I went to an NA meeting tonight and there was only 4 of us there and it was wonderful. I saw a newcomer with that far-away, deer in the headlights look and I had a lesson in gratitude. "Thank God that's not me, but by the grace of God it could be."

Meetings are wonderful - AA & NA or Al-Anon, & Nar-Anon. Truthfully I prefer to go to NA, but will bust up in any meeting if I need it.

Congrats on your recovery danielle.......... Good for you!!!!!! I do agree, meetings are good and I really need to start going for my son. As far as program in jail, there is none where he is at.
And the prison he will be sent to I think does not have anything either, but I am going to ck into that when he gets there. Maybe something can be done to start one up. Something I may have to think about. Gosh, it is so good to hear other people worry the same way I do about my sons addiction. You always think you are alone.
thanks

Nancy -

Thank you - and you are never alone! Here is the link to a thread on Narcotics Anonymous. They will send a free quarterly magazine to you and to your son as well. Just contact them - they are glad to do it!

http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3845

Oh this is wonderful!!!!!!!! thank you for telling me about this na magazine. As soon as my son gets settled where he is going to be, I will send it to him. Would I benefit from this package too, eventhough I am a non addict?
thanks hon

I will answer this, allthough you asked Monica... YES!!!!

Nancy - YES! It is a wonderful magazine. When you contact NA tell them that you are not an addict but that your son is. They will put you in contact with Nar-Anon, which is for families/loved ones of addicts. Good luck and I sincerely believe in this program - it has saved my life.

I have also attended the 'online meetings'- it's more or less an open discussion, like a threaded e-mail. It helped me in my weaker moments- I couldn't go to the normal meetings because of my kids.

Hello Cheryl,
The following letter was forward to another that is about to be convicted for "The War For Drugs" that you might find interesting.

To: Gaye Plumadore

Re: Government Tyranny

Hello Gaye,
This letter is in response to your letter dated November 14, 2002 to us. Since you are starting trial by the 18th of this month, there is very little time left. It is recommend that you direct the government attorney that was appointed to you to file a “Challenge of Jurisdiction” yesterday. Direct him to challenge territorial and subject matter jurisdiction. He will come back to you and say that the court has “General jurisdiction.” This can be overcome with a little effort on his part but the $64,000.00 dollar question is: will he?

TERRITORIAL JURISDICTION

If you have any reservations on the above, question yourself this: Did the alleged crime take place on federal land that was lawfully ceded to the United States from the State of Maine pursuant to the guidelines set forth under title 40 USC §255, and did the United States lawfully accept this said land where the alleged crime took place? If you do a little homework you will also find out the courthouse where you are having the trial was never cede to the United States (see land records in city/town hall).

SUBJECT MATTER

Your subject matter here is “Drugs.” Ask for the “Nature” of the charge. With regards to the so-called drug laws under title 21 USC §, they are being misapplied. The major corruption on this came in during the Nixon Administration when Nixon took the powers from The Congress (regarding drugs) and administered them to the Attorney General. See the Drug Comprehensive Act of 1970 and compare it with the “Statute At Large.” One can see how the Office of the United States Attorney General altered the penalty sections.

If nothing is done at this crucial stage to the procedures, you can count on witnessing the most corrupt form of government taking place in a federal criminal courtroom where the jury will come back with a guilty verdict. Still have reservations? Have the said attorney do a drug profile on that court for the past 2-3 years on drug case and look at the statistics.
In closing, please keep in mind that the court is operating under the Bastardized child of the U.S. Constitution called “Administrative law” and the courts have been closed for remedy a number of years ago.

I am sorry for taking the position here of being so forward, but it is the intent here to save the sovereign people in America from the long arm of the well orchestrated government tyranny that has combined all three Branches of the Government into one, for the purpose of power and monetary gain, therefore, I wish you and all involved in this instant matter all the luck in the world.

I'm closing this thread as its not current, it does have some information that could be valuable, but please start a new thread if you wish to continue the discussion.

mrsdragon
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