View Full Version : Another new "rule" at Deerfield


deb
04-06-2004, 08:27 PM
If you remember a while back I posted that the guards were now taking visitors in one visit at a time and it backlogged the visitors sometimes up to 2 hours out in front waiting to go in?? Well, this same ass. deputy warden came up with another new rule and posted it today stating that inmates in a visit can no longer go to the restroom unless they go all the way back to their unit. They then have to go thru the whole strip routine to get back into the visiting room as well as check back in.... The guys on the warden's forum said that he was considering charging another visit if the inmate had to use the restroom or terminating the visit if he had to go, but decided to do this....

What in the world are they going to do next? We usually don't go to the restroom during a visit cause of all the hassle, but there are plenty of guys who do. This is going to cause major problems and anger as visits are interrupted and visitors wait....

What could be the reasoning here?

Deb

appleteddy
04-06-2004, 08:43 PM
Hey Deb - I visited today and they are implementing that - they get stripped when they leave then go back to their unit to use the bathroom and then just come back in and get patted down - I saw one guy do it and it didn't take him that long but then the visiting room wasn't crowded - I'm sure it will be worse on the weekends...I'm certainly glad that they are not going to charge another visit - that would really suck!!!

deb
04-06-2004, 08:46 PM
I'm sure the weekends will be horrible with doing this... Why do you think they're doing it?

Deb

appleteddy
04-06-2004, 08:54 PM
I have no idea unless they think stuff is getting snuck in or out - but I don't know how sending them back to their unit is any different - I've been told that when they were using the bathroom in the hallway they are often stripped before they come back into the visiting and my guy has (a few times) been stripped after getting his insulin...I really don't know...

mrsdragoness
04-06-2004, 08:58 PM
I'm not sure of what the policy is.. in Saginaw the guys have a choice.. the officer can observe them going to the bathroom or they can go privately and be strip searched before and after...

Does anyone know the MDOC policy on inmates using the restroom during visits?? I'll ask Mr. when I talk to him.

Sally

rottn
04-06-2004, 09:06 PM
Gary has to be viewed and then stripped at the end of the visit. If you go more than once, he gets charged another visit.

LeaAnn
04-06-2004, 10:11 PM
Wow can they really get away with that? At Thumb there is a bathroom near the visiting room. We never do that so if he needs to go we wrap the visit up. Then he can go when he gets back to his unit.

DENIMBLUE
04-07-2004, 03:18 PM
This should be interesting to find out more about the bathroom procedures at each prison... :yuck:

angeltob
04-08-2004, 05:17 AM
There is a standard I do believe. Ill have to look it up and get back to you guys...That doesnt mean that they cant have there own O.P. But if they do, they have to make sure its posted. He cant just go in and tell these guys thats what he plans to do...he has to have an O.P. approved through Lansing and unless there was a security threat I dont believe he has a good reason to do so.

roccop
04-10-2004, 11:05 PM
Hello to everyone concerned w/this type of new process. My inside info. is that the practice has been suspended until the new visitation rules are posted in the very near future. Heard it might come about sometime early in May. There is still the possible exception to consider, as w/some inmates who are on certain meds. & must use the bathroom frequently. It may very well be the result of a security concern at this time. Security is never condusive to conveinance - especially these days. Policy does state inmates must be seached prior to using the bathroom; however some officers do not follow this policy to the letter. Mainly I think because it can cause such a back up during peak visitation times - weekends, holidays, Fathers Day, etc. Unless an inmate is escorted by a C/O to the clinic for insulin or other medications they do not have to be stripped. The only suggestion I have is to write your concerns to MDOC HQ in Lansing to disagree w/the new policy. I know your loved ones on the inside will do thier part to see if the policy can be changed. So far, largely because of thier efforts, as I've noted earlier in this message the practice has been suspended. Maybe, just maybe, it may not be continued once the new visitation rules are posted soon. Speaking as a C/O I'm in favor of the change. It can get very frustrating when prisoners purposely wait for you to leave the view room, then decide they have to use the bathroom. Then repeat the process over again seconds after you have left the view room. Let me say for the record only some not the majority are guilty of it. My opinion is those few won't be so apt to play that kind of game if they know having to go back to thier unit is the only viable option. Not to mention the wait subjected to loved ones back in the view room. Unfortuneately, the majority who follow the rules will be the ones to suffer the brunt of the possible new policy at that facility. Hope this helps some.....

StacysWar030
04-11-2004, 09:59 AM
I really don't mean to be rude here Roccop, but this just sounds like another game being played with inmates. If the job here is to stay in the view room to monitor visits and to make sure someone is available to be there for when a bathroom break comes up, then why get frustrated when that CO leaves his station and then has to come back to do his job? We all KNOW when visiting times are scheduled. Which means Officers need to be where they are supposed to be in order for the visits to run more smoothly. If a CO needs to leave his or her staion for whatever reason, then there should be a backup CO to cover that station so these kinds of iconviences don't occur. There are set policies for a reason. ANd I can sure understand most of them. But it seems they get changed entirely TO often to make it more "convenient" on staff. I am not trying to 'confront" you on this issue as I know you're not the person behind all the changes. I am just trying to point out a few facts. It "seems" as tho these changes are becoming a form of "punishment" for us on the outside as well as on the inside for standing up for our loved ones and ourselves.

Stacy

2Scorpios
04-11-2004, 03:35 PM
Gonna reply to this...just as a principle. I have worked in settings where we needed to adjust the rules due to an influx of contraband being brought into the facility. If its a prevelant issue, i understand the ammending of the rules. BUT the problem is this, there needs to be a balance for those of us visitors that DON'T break the rules. I feel what we are venting is our frustrations of always being the BLUNT of the extreme limits due to the visitors that break the rules. I think that even if you polled the michigan members here, you would find that the majority of us, if not near all of us do NOT do drugs and would NEVER bring contraband into the facility. The lack of balance is so swayed toward drastic measures to deal with the isolated situations. Most often we feel that we are pre-judged as the "women that bake the file into the cake" so to speak...and none of us would risk our visits for that.

Dawn

deb
04-11-2004, 05:16 PM
Now why on earth would anyone wait and make sure the guard had left the visiting room and then decide to go up and have to sit in a chair and wait for a guard to come back so they could escort them to the bathroom? This doesn't even begin to make sense roccop. They lose visiting time with their loved ones as they sit there and wait.... I doubt very much that's the reason.. I think people are busy visiting and then there's a break in the coversation or card game etc.. they're playing so they realize it's an oppportune time to go to the restroom...

Deb

roccop
04-11-2004, 11:13 PM
Now why on earth would anyone wait and make sure the guard had left the visiting room and then decide to go up and have to sit in a chair and wait for a guard to come back so they could escort them to the bathroom? This doesn't even begin to make sense roccop. They lose visiting time with their loved ones as they sit there and wait.... I doubt very much that's the reason.. I think people are busy visiting and then there's a break in the coversation or card game etc.. they're playing so they realize it's an oppportune time to go to the restroom...

Deb
I agree why on earth would someone pull such a stunt. Yet I stand and watch it be played out time & time again. Mostly prisoners who play this game do not stand or sit by the door to wait for a bathroom break unless directed to by the officer. Once directed to stand and wait the game usually stops because it does interfere w/the prisoners visitation time w/loved ones. I wish we could have a more productive use of time other than having to send prisoners back to thier units to use the bathroom. I don't seriously think this type of practice has much of chance of staying on as policy. Please understand, I don't mind doing my job as a C/O and don't go out of my way to make any prisoners bit any more difficult to endure. However, believe me when I say that a few prisoners like to view custody staff as the number one game in town. By this I mean some like to play us like a fiddle if allowed. But at the lower security level facilities I hear things are much easier to deal w/because the majority of prisoners there truly want to go home. If I hear any more info. on this policy I'll relay as soon as possible to all.

mrsdragoness
04-12-2004, 07:15 AM
Just throwing my 2 cents worth in here....

Not that I watch everything that goes on while I'm on a visit, but I've visited at 7 different prisons here in Michigan over the last 13 years - at least 300 visits in the last 5 years and I have NEVER seen an inmate wait for staff to leave the area then jump up and ask to use the rest room.

And the only negative comment I've heard from a C/O was admonishing an inmate who had only been in the visiting room about a 1/2 hour and had to "go" because he had already sucked down 2 bottles of pop.

This rule is inappropriate and there's no basis for it on a whole. If ONE or TWO prisoners in ONE prison abuse it, then it needs to be addressed individually not punish all for the ingnorance of a few.

mrs

DENIMBLUE
04-12-2004, 04:17 PM
My .02 worth ~ I think MDOC is trying to drive visitors away so they will make new rules that are going to be stricter for both inmates and visitors with no real meaning behind them...MDOC has a reason...but will it make sense...May 1...what ya bringing us!