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Wayne
04-02-2004, 10:51 PM
MD asked me to write on what can those on the outside do to help those on the inside. This stirs up a lot in me because there's a fine line between supporting those on the inside and enabling them. I don't know how to tell somebody not to cross that line, because everybody in my life who started out as a well-intentioned supporter ultimately bacame an enabler.

In prison there's only a few "musts" or basic responsibilities.
1. Basic hygiene - shave, take a bath, etc. You do this in order to keep visits and to draw on the canteen.
2. Keep your immediate living area in tip-top shape. It's done for the same reason as the hygiene - to keep the privileges.
3. Attend mandatory meetings, either GED classes or NA or AA or SAP. Whatever's required, that's what you do.

Doing those things above are the bare minimum. That's what you do just to function in prison and nothing more. That's just getting by.

Getting by just doesn't cut it, unless you want to keep going back to prison. Getting by or becoming used to the system gets easier and easier with each trip inside. Becoming a man and taking responsibility for my actions is the hard part.

Just because you don't get write-ups doesn't mean you've changed. It just means you've adjusted to the prison life.

For me, I had to look at myself and say, "Have I become responsible?"
"Have I grown?" "Have I chagned?" Sadly, the answer was no. I hadn't change. It's not a spontaneous thing, especially in prison, to change. It takes work and a will to do it. In my opinion, just doing time doesn't change anybody, except maybe for the worse.

I was stuck in prison, by my choices (to be painfully honest) and when in there I existed with responsibilities less than that of a two year old. How am I supposed to become a responsible human being, thrust back into society? I was less capable when I left prison than before I went in.

Who is to blame for my choices and my situation?

The COs? Were they really picking on me or was I pushing the envelope until I pushed it too far?

The classification officer? Was she out to get me or is it possible that my file really got lost in the shuffle?

The Kitchen Steward? Was he mean to me or did I really deserve to lose my job in the kitchen?

The Counselors? Did they dislike me or were they sincerely overburdened with too many clients and not enough time to meet the needs of each and every one of them?

I could go on and on. I've written hundreds of letters home, trying to gain sympathy because of this CO or that counselor always doing me wrong. The truth of the matter is, it was me who was doing wrong. It was my attitude and my lack of interest in taking responsibility for my actions and inactions. Ultimately me being in prison was because of me. It wasn't the parole board or the parole officer or the sheriff or the judge or the DA who put me there. It was me.

Until I learned that I was the problem then there was no way possible to change.

As long as my supporters on the outside enabled me to blame the rest of the world for my downfall then there was no reason to change.

So, what can those on the outside do to help those on the inside?

There's no magic answer or one thing to guarantee change.

Say no.

That's the really the most important thing.

When you've told me over and over how hard it is to pay the phone bill and I keep calling, don't accept the call.

When you've told me how hard it is to pay the bills and I want and need more money, tell me no. I don't have to smoke Marlboros. I don't have to smoke at all.

When I'm in prison, I have everything I need to exist. I have food, shelter, and clothes. I can survive without being prison rich.

When I write home and I give you my sob story on how this guard or that person mistreated me, question me. All you're hearing is a lop-sided, self-serving version of the truth. Reality is pushed back in a dusty corner. Knock the cobwebs off the truth and find out for yourself what the real story is.

Am I telling you the truth or what you want to hear?

Am I helping or hindering you? Am I expecting you to drive miles and miles for a visit when the car is on its last rim?

Am I giving or taking? Even in prison I can give of myself.

When you write and tell me of your problems, do I brush them off as, "There's nothing I can do." Or do I listen and take a sincere interest in you?

Ask me why I'm not taking SAP or GED classes. Call me on it. Expect it from me.

Ask questions.
Demand answers.
Hold me accountable for my actions inside and outside the pen.

What have I done to draw us closer?
Am I abusing your kindness? If you think so, then I probably am.

What are my goals when I get out? Are they realistic? What am I doing to make those goals attainable?

Going to prison doesn't make you an adult. It does just the opposite.

The ultimate goal is to become a functioning member of society in a society that now sees you as a criminal. You are now an abnormal member of society and it's a constant struggle to once again become normal. Am I ready to face that challenge?

If you want to help those of us on the inside when we're on the inside, then guide us in change. Encourage that change. And then step back and watch, because either we will change or we'll be stuck in the revolving door, doomed to spend a lifetime in and out of prison. I know because I've done it myself.

Judge Not
04-02-2004, 11:01 PM
I'm not stalking you Wayne, you're very interesting and make allot of good points... Keep on writing... I'm listening and learning... Trying hard to be kind and not to be an enabler... learning balance... Thanks again for sharing..

Wayne
04-02-2004, 11:05 PM
Thank you. I didn't want to make anybody mad or say the wrong thing. It's hard for me to say how I really feel. I'm working on it though.

Lysbeth
04-03-2004, 12:27 AM
Wow, Wayne. You are an awesome writer. And for me, I needed to be reminded that saying yes can often hurt more than saying no helps. Thank you for sharing this, it's a perspective from the inside I think can truly help all those doing time on the outside with a loved one on the inside. Thank you - and MORE! MORE! :)

TxRenee
04-03-2004, 12:36 AM
Once again Wayne Thank you for the post!! I wish I could express myself on paper as well as you do...
Thanks again I look forward to reading more posts from you!!!

TNC
04-03-2004, 12:41 AM
Thank you. I didn't want to make anybody mad or say the wrong thing. It's hard for me to say how I really feel. I'm working on it though.
I think what your saying is what so many of us needed to hear. I know for many there are times that they want to say NO or not accept that phone call (however I would be happy to get a phone call), but they are affraid. Many feel that not sending money or taking phone calls would hurt their loved one so they go against what they want or feel is best and do it.

I have to agree with the others and say keep the writings coming as they are very educational and valued coming from your side of things

WSF
04-03-2004, 02:30 AM
Wonderful please keep writing this is very important to us.

WSF

Wayne
04-03-2004, 04:24 AM
Thanks. MD is making me do this. It's all against my will. No it's not. She's just dragging it out of me.

dragnbaby2003
04-03-2004, 04:32 AM
Wayne, I just wanted to say thanks for sharing...

danielle
04-03-2004, 05:08 AM
Thanks. MD is making me do this. It's all against my will. No it's not. She's just dragging it out of me.

That's it...blame it on the wife. It's always the wife's fault. :p

samiam158
04-03-2004, 05:23 AM
thanks for sharing wayne...i think as parents we are probably the worse..."where or where did i go wrong?? why is my baby in jai??? it must have had something to do with me"...the guilt we as parents feel make us enablers...and even as we are adults we know that the person incarcerated or not is responsible for their own actions...our society makes it ok to blame someone else for our mistakes...(the tabacco co. pay out cause i smoke and i can't wait to sue macdonalds cause my kids are fat.)..yeap one part of being an adult is to accept that what we have done was because we did it...that was a powerful reminder to me as a mom...i raised my kid to do right ...i made mistakes...but ultimately it is my childs bad choices that have landed him (again) in prison....thanks wayne

R.T.s~angel
04-03-2004, 05:31 AM
Thank you Wayne. The insight you offer is invaluable and I hope you keep sharing with us.

Lucidity
04-03-2004, 05:37 AM
that was enlightening! Thanks for sharing
Dee

tebkrg
04-03-2004, 06:34 AM
Wayne....

All I can say is WOW!

I am so happy that you wrote this and I loved every word. You write with truth and reality in every syllable. What you have said here will not piss off anyone on PTO but it may piss off a Prisoner or two! LOL But you know what? You are right in what you say - and if any Prisoner 'called on the carpet' for their actions or lack of them lashes out then they are still only thinking of themselves.

I have not and will not put up with crap from my Partner - I EXPECT him to respect me and think of my feelings and needs as much as I am expected to think of his.

I have had one hell of a few months this past few months. My work life has been more stressful than I have ever experienced to the point where I am not sleeping, I am edgy, I am not myself. My world is not pretty right now. My Partner's world is not pretty either - but it is his reality and he is not being tortured on a daily basis - or starved... he has his basics and he has a warm bed. He has what he needs. If he was not sensitive to my stresses and needs too and did not realize that we are all a victim of our own reality (our own prison) then we would have major issues between us.

Thank you for this - it is going in my next letter....

Welcome home Wayne!

cjjack
04-03-2004, 06:43 AM
Wayne, I think you have said something that should be brought out in to the open.

I have heard women literally screaming and cussing to their loved ones if the money they were expecting were even one day late. It is SO important for an inmate to understand that the world does not revolve around them just because they are incarcerated and that they should be appreciative of the help that they do get. I have read how the ladies here struggle to pay their phone bills and other expenses. There are some very strong ladies here on PTO.

danielle
04-03-2004, 07:54 AM
I just want to say one other thing about Wayne - he means what he says. There were times when he would wallow in self pity. We all do. But when I'd call him on it, he'd own up to it. He'd do (and still does) the same for me. I love him for it - he's never, ever been afraid to say he's made a mistake. And he never says, "I told you so."

He's one-in-a-million and I think I'll keep him.

JJT
04-03-2004, 12:02 PM
Thank you Wayne.

irisheyes66
04-03-2004, 03:41 PM
Wayne.....your words are so eloquent and full of truth. Thank you for taking the time to post this; I am printing it out to send to my guy. He has never taken advantage of me, nor has he ever been the slightest bit disrespectful...even when he was hurting badly and I had no idea. But I think your take on the situation between those of us out here, and our loved ones inside, is a must-read for him, too. I've heard the "Dude doesn't like me" routine from Shawn a few times in the past, and I've got to admit--I was skeptical. As such, I think your post may open up some "interesting" conversations for us.

Thanks again!
Susan in Providence

WSF
04-03-2004, 04:03 PM
Being very new to all this I had a question but just got answered. I see many posts here I would like to print and send my son but was afarid to cause I thought it might cause trouble so first I am glad to know it's ok. Now maybe someone who is just out of prison has the thought that they cannot make a differance. Let me tell you a post by any ex inmate means more than anything to me and many others here. I need to know what it really is I need to know the good and the bad. I don't need it to be blown out of proportion either way I need facts like this post. Wayne you may not be aware of the comfort and peace this post has given to us. This is a mom who is just starting scared for her son scared I messed up scared for his physical and mental well being and to read this gives me hope GOOD GRIEF it gives me sleep (thats something thats been hard latley) LOL and I really need it!!!!!!!!!!! So know each time I see your name I will be Johnny on the spot reading. You have a wonderful caring wife and she has a wonderful man I wish you the best in all you do.

WSF

haswtch
04-03-2004, 09:37 PM
Another awesome post, Wayne...I think every member ought to read this one. we all want to really help, not just go through the motions of helping.

MissingJoe
04-03-2004, 11:10 PM
Thank-you Wayne& just alot of what Sam said. We needed this input! Thanks again!

B-Ray
04-03-2004, 11:49 PM
Wayne, reading your words and seeing the picture you paint with them, is a blessing for those here at PTO!

I understand the feeling of "saying the wrong thing", but keeping things as SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT takes care of that situation.

I'm sure glad to see you around, if nothing else, to give some help in keeping these WEEMEN in line! It's a sorry a** job, but somebody gotta do it LMAO j/k girls!! Ducking outta here :hee:

Thank you. I didn't want to make anybody mad or say the wrong thing. It's hard for me to say how I really feel. I'm working on it though.

someonethere
04-04-2004, 07:28 AM
Just wanted to say thankyou for your response on this matter, it hit home.These are some of the things that has been constantly plaqueing me a mother with two sons incarcerated, and as you can imagine is very hard on me and the rest of there family. It's a hard situation when you have 2. Never the lest God will see it through. Also I know that my 2 sons know that the reason that they are there and I hope that they know that they are the one's responsible for being there. I feel that the Lord is opening there eyes to what life is really about. So Wayne thank you, you have made me feel better, when I can't accept a phone call or send them a package.

francis
04-26-2004, 04:50 AM
you have a nice little writing style, you switch from narratives to conversational...which provides for good reading...your letter is very kind and caring, and it seems you are trying to share your wisdom, and experience to help others..

and, i do believe, your words, comming from someone who live the "life," are well respected..

welcome home, for you and md!
francis

tebkrg
04-26-2004, 06:05 AM
Wayne, I wanted you to know that I printed your words and sent them to my Partner... His response was... "A very insightful writer... he makes you think."

Zero
04-26-2004, 08:29 PM
Thanks Wayne, sure makes a person look inside themself....and makes me thankful for the people and the few freedoms we have left.

tommysmommy
04-28-2004, 10:11 AM
wow...i wish i could send that to my fiance.i also wish i could make a copy of it to show others....thank you so much.honestly you put some things in perspective for me. thanks for sharing!!!!!

babieboo
04-28-2004, 03:16 PM
Wayne I really appreciate all that you said. Please keep writing. A lot of us do need to see these things.

lonelyliz
04-30-2004, 11:19 AM
Wayne- this was very helpful to me. My fiance and I have had a less than perfect past, and I worry all the time about what he will be like when he comes home. Your post let me see that he is making some positive changes, and that I am doing right by not babying him. I was talking to him 2 nights ago and telling him I was worried about money, and he told me to just not worry about sending him any this coming month. Since he has been locked up he has been very accepting when I tell him no, and he was not like this in the past. He has also been much better about thinking of me before himself- NEVER did that happen. He has asked me to marry him before he comes home (2 years), and I have agreed. Your post has helped me feel much more optimistic about our future! Thanks for writing it!

MRSMAZE
04-30-2004, 11:42 AM
(((Your words have really touched my heart))),

You write so beautifully and I felt as if you were talking to me...my husband came home recently and he and I are facing so many struggles...I will print this out for him to read...Thank you Wayne...

aryans
04-30-2004, 02:17 PM
Wayne:

I have been doing time with my husband for many years now. What you have said is as real as it is going to get. Everyone take heed to the truth and nothing but the truth. Keep shining.

kintml2u
04-30-2004, 04:04 PM
Wayne

Glad to see MD staying on you...even now that your home! :p

The way you have worded this is great, and puts it more into reality.

Keep it up....I look forward to reading more from you! Great job!

Diane

jessica23
05-17-2004, 10:10 PM
Wow - that was really powerful, thaniks for being courageous enough to tell your truth.

neischellef
05-31-2004, 08:30 PM
thank you wayne we all really needed to hear that exspecially me cause there are some times when i want to say no to my husband but i feel so guility if i do

Amy
05-31-2004, 11:20 PM
Very well said Wayne. I personally think it should be posted on the front page, or at least made to be a permanent, immovable sticky in every "loving a..." forum. I agree with every word. Everyone needs to hear this, and I do mean hear it, not just skim it over, but have a full comprehension of every single word you just said.

buggles4869
05-31-2004, 11:39 PM
Thank you for writing this. I will be looking for more of your post in the future! I also am printing this and sending it out. Very insightful!

Buggles