View Full Version : Fighting a DOC infraction for shy bladder


MEOwwww
03-13-2010, 01:32 AM
Just curious if anyone has ever had any experience in fighting a major infraction for being unable to urinate during a random immediate urinalysis?

Paruresis is something that my husband suffers from and he is attempting to fight a major infraction after being infraction free for 9 years. 9 years ago he was charged with the same shy bladder.

Wikipedia has interesting thoughts about UK prisons beginning to recognize this.

Any advice?

MEO


There is growing recognition of the condition by the UK (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/United_Kingdom)'s National Health Service (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/National_Health_Service) (NHS) and government (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/UK_government). The condition is catered for in the rules for mandatory urine testing for drugs in UK prisons, and UK Incapacity Benefit (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Incapacity_Benefit) tribunals also recognise it. It is listed in the NHS on-line encyclopaedia of conditions and disorders.[2] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-1) It is now reported to have been accepted as a valid reason for jury service excusal.[3] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2) From 1 August 2005, the guidance on the rules relating to the testing of those on probation in the UK explicitly cites paruresis as a valid reason for inability to produce a sample which is not to be construed as a refusal.
The condition is recognised by the American Urological Association (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/American_Urological_Association), who include it in their on-line directory of conditions.[4] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-3)
It has, from time to time been the topic of advice columns such as Ann Landers (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Ann_Landers), to which sufferers have written in and been counselled on their problem.
In the US Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disord ers) (DSM-IV) TR, it is classified as a form of social phobia (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Social_phobia) also known as being a type of chronic social anxiety (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Social_anxiety), but that is disputed by some clinicians.[5] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-4)

Tuesday123
03-13-2010, 05:03 PM
This does not sound right to me at all. I cannot see how they can charge someone for not urinating. How is that major?

My fiance during his stay in a prison was allegedlly holding a weapon up his yoo hoo.

They held him for hours and hours. It was not until drinking a type of magnesium citrate they gave him that he finally did what they needed him to do. No weapon was found. Because there was no weapon to begin with.

I dont think they can do this. If he cant pee, he cant pee.


I hope my more info helps. When we were held during the parole sweep, I had to pee so bad it hurt. But because it was under such circumstances, and the lady officer was right there with me, it wouldnt come out. I kept apologizing while telling her I really have to go but it wont come out. It took a while, let me say that. but she said it was OK, and waited. Even I was amazed I couldn't pee. I wasnt being "tested", I just had to pee.












Just curious if anyone has ever had any experience in fighting a major infraction for being unable to urinate during a random immediate urinalysis?

Paruresis is something that my husband suffers from and he is attempting to fight a major infraction after being infraction free for 9 years. 9 years ago he was charged with the same shy bladder.

Wikipedia has interesting thoughts about UK prisons beginning to recognize this.

Any advice?

MEO


There is growing recognition of the condition by the UK (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/United_Kingdom)'s National Health Service (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/National_Health_Service) (NHS) and government (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/UK_government). The condition is catered for in the rules for mandatory urine testing for drugs in UK prisons, and UK Incapacity Benefit (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Incapacity_Benefit) tribunals also recognise it. It is listed in the NHS on-line encyclopaedia of conditions and disorders.[2] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-1) It is now reported to have been accepted as a valid reason for jury service excusal.[3] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-2) From 1 August 2005, the guidance on the rules relating to the testing of those on probation in the UK explicitly cites paruresis as a valid reason for inability to produce a sample which is not to be construed as a refusal.
The condition is recognised by the American Urological Association (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/American_Urological_Association), who include it in their on-line directory of conditions.[4] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-3)
It has, from time to time been the topic of advice columns such as Ann Landers (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Ann_Landers), to which sufferers have written in and been counselled on their problem.
In the US Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Diagnostic_and_Statistical_Manual_of_Mental_Disord ers) (DSM-IV) TR, it is classified as a form of social phobia (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Social_phobia) also known as being a type of chronic social anxiety (http://www.prisontalk.com/wiki/Social_anxiety), but that is disputed by some clinicians.[5] (http://www.prisontalk.com/forums/#cite_note-4)

thatwiz
03-14-2010, 10:31 AM
When your property of the state, when you're told to do something, you're expected to do it. If he's been in nine years, it will be hard to fight without any medical documentation from other than prison sources.He has had to be tested numerous times at this point. I see very little compassion for this problem, because they don't really care and probably hear that all the time. It's expected that you're tested at any given time and if unable to, you will be punished. It's the sysytem. Have him file a greivance.

MEOwwww
03-17-2010, 07:48 AM
He filed the grievance. He has only had 3 previous ua's. One for which he got a major.
They gave him 60 mins. turned on water and everything to no avail.
In visit he is unable to pee with someone right there so he volunteers to have a total strip search so that they will leave him to his business and he can go.
He is in the mental health ward of the prison for ptsd and anti social disorders both of which have to do with proximity of others and previous molestation which doesn,t help.
He volunteers to be catheterized immediately (NOT a pleasant undertaking for a male), blood tests, hair tests whatever but the catheter would give them the same exact urine they are after.
He had a kite in to go to the doctor for his urinary problems BEFORE his write up.
He has lost his high paying job, tv, visits, confined to quarters, art group, curio, and hopefully not good time. I can't think what else happened. All while during the interim. (He asked for extra weeks to have the doctors report back and was granted the extension.)
Thanks for the thoughts.